From okelly at solas-data.ie Wed Mar 1 09:39:03 2000 From: okelly at solas-data.ie (Owen Kelly) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Genesis Message-ID: <200003010941.JAA24692@lugh.tuatha.org> I havent been following the ILUG thread on this, just the CLUG one, but the amount of skeptecism is astounding. As someone in the know, or more to the point ... as someone who knows a smidgen and is freaked out about how much he doesnt know about this technology, Genesis *will* provide 45Mbits into your home, and it will work. Let me also say that I doubt anyone on this list is actually capable of understanding it, you havent seen or heard of this technology before, its not based on previous standards/maths formulas/rules of thumb. I dont know whats going into these 'Little Black Boxes (TM)', and I dont want to know. What I do know, is that it will be better than you could ever expect. There's too much money invested in this to start thinking that these guys don't know what they are doing. And besides, isn't it about time we gave them some support? After all, they have agreed to support Linux, both product wise, and tech support wise (Or Im guessing they will by November at least) ... as the Irish Linux community, we should be giving them a round of applause. -- Owen Kelly owen@linux.ie http://owenkelly.com From JSmyth at Saleslan.com Wed Mar 1 09:51:10 2000 From: JSmyth at Saleslan.com (Jeremy Smyth) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] RE: [ILUG] Genesis Message-ID: <3F90AAEA98ACD21186B30060084822590E7E53@SLWEB> Owen Kelly ranted about Genesis: > I dont know whats going into these 'Little Black > Boxes (TM)', and I dont want to know. What I do > know, is that it will be better than you could ever expect. > > There's too much money invested in this to start thinking > that these guys don't know what they are doing. And > besides, isn't it about time we gave them some support? > After all, they have agreed to support Linux, both > product wise, and tech support wise (Or Im guessing they will > by November at least) ... One word: LinuxOne These arguments are only really valid if substantiated. I've seen it before, and I'd love to believe you. But blind faith causes problems... /jer From owen at linux.ie Wed Mar 1 10:08:05 2000 From: owen at linux.ie (Owen Kelly) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] RE: [ILUG] Genesis Message-ID: <200003011010.KAA25872@lugh.tuatha.org> This isnt blind faith ... I thought there was hidden truths in my message, guess I didnt signpost it before ... I have a friend working for Genesis. Trust that theyre gonna blow every other Irish ISP out of the water. Im not at liberty, and personally I dont want to say any more. -- Owen Kelly owen@linux.ie http://owenkelly.com From paul at baltimore.ie Wed Mar 1 10:18:39 2000 From: paul at baltimore.ie (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Re: Genesis In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:39:03 GMT." Message-ID: <436.951905919@cougar.baltimore.ie> On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:39:03 +0000 Owen Kelly wrote: | Genesis *will* provide 45Mbits into your home, and it will work. Let | me also say that I doubt anyone on this list is actually capable of | understanding it, you havent seen or heard of this technology before, | its not based on previous standards/maths formulas/rules of thumb. I | dont know whats going into these 'Little Black Boxes (TM)', and I dont | want to know. What I do know, is that it will be better than you | could ever expect. Oh good move, insult our intelligence and then start wildly waving your hands. "Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Chewbacca." Bear in mind that some of us do indeed work with 'Little Black Boxes' with varying levels of expertese, and are aware that part of the limitation of said boxes lies with the wiring that connects them together. Short of bringing fibre to within, what 300m? of my house and running Cat-5 the rest of the way, I do not see how they can supply 45Mbits to me, let alone everybody in my neighbourhood. Remember that ye olde thick coax is only rated for 10Mbits. Paul From owen at linux.ie Wed Mar 1 10:30:35 2000 From: owen at linux.ie (Owen Kelly) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Re: Genesis Message-ID: <200003011032.KAA26887@lugh.tuatha.org> As I said, Im trying to remaining silent on this one. I knew a flame would start, it always does. Believe what you want to believe, but dont judge future hardware on past and present standards, if we did that, we'd all be driving Model T's. I wasnt insulting anyones intelligence ... just opening new avenues of thought. To be honest, Im very shocked that anyone would take my comments that way, the ILUG is a forum for technical discussion & enlightenment, I thought my eMail would have been taken in that spirit. I fear the day when my mind gets closed off to new ways of thinking. I dont claim to be a techie, but I have first hand information that this Technology will work. -- Owen Kelly owen@linux.ie http://owenkelly.com From David.Airlie at ul.ie Wed Mar 1 10:32:20 2000 From: David.Airlie at ul.ie (Dave Airlie) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] RE: [ILUG] Genesis In-Reply-To: <200003011010.KAA25872@lugh.tuatha.org> Message-ID: But it has to be some DSL equivalent so some one here has heard of it.. a few ppl on this list work in Telecomms and nothing else has been near xDSL stuff, and without laying fibre into my house (Which I doubt for 12.50), If it was an all new technology that no-one on this list had heard off, WTF would they roll it out in Ireland first... So they have decided they can to xDSL, have they tested it in BallygoBackwards or BorrisinMisery etc... Dave. lives 200m from exchange, should work in my house :-) On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Owen Kelly wrote: > This isnt blind faith ... I thought there was hidden truths in my message, guess I didnt signpost it before ... I > have a friend working for Genesis. > > Trust that theyre gonna blow every other Irish ISP out of the water. Im not at liberty, and personally I dont want > to say any more. > > > > -- > Owen Kelly > owen@linux.ie http://owenkelly.com > > > -- ------------ David Airlie, David.Airlie@ul.ie,airlied@skynet -------- Telecommunications Research Centre, ECE Dept, University of Limerick \ http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied -- Telecommunications Researcher \ --- TEL: +353-61-202695 ----------------------------------------------- From Collins_Paul at emc.com Wed Mar 1 10:35:02 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Genesis Message-ID: > From: Owen Kelly [mailto:okelly@solas-data.ie] > I havent been following the ILUG thread on this, just the > CLUG one, but the amount of skeptecism is > astounding. As someone in the know, or more to the point ... > as someone who knows a smidgen and is > freaked out about how much he doesnt know about this > technology, Genesis *will* provide 45Mbits into your > home, and it will work. Let me also say that I doubt anyone > on this list is actually capable of understanding it, > you havent seen or heard of this technology before, its not > based on previous standards/maths formulas/rules > of thumb. I dont know whats going into these 'Little Black > Boxes (TM)', and I dont want to know. What I do > know, is that it will be better than you could ever expect. There is no magic. If they're using copper wire, then they are subject to the same restrictions as every other entity in this Universe. Since you do not know what is in these boxes, how do you know we havent seen or heard of the technology before? I think it's a little presumptuous of you to assume that it is beyond our understanding. (Most things are beyond mine, but I'm stupid. I don't assume everyone else is.) > There's too much money invested in this to start thinking > that these guys don't know what they are doing. And > besides, isn't it about time we gave them some support? > After all, they have agreed to support Linux, both > product wise, and tech support wise (Or Im guessing they will > by November at least) ... as the Irish Linux > community, we should be giving them a round of applause. Why? We are not here to help companies sell things to us. We are here because we enjoy using Linux and get good work done with it. If Genesis can help me get good work done, then I'm all for it. From lynchc at bupa.ie Wed Mar 1 10:59:54 2000 From: lynchc at bupa.ie (Conor Lynch) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. Message-ID: Hi there, I'd like to start by saying that I have Linux and I enjoy it, it provides a refreshing alternative to windows and contains enough interesting features to ensure my continued interest in its progress. And I'd like to say that I have nothing but the utmost respect for people on the mailing list. However, I'd like to ask that opinions that are meant SOLELY for one person be sent to that one person and NOT to everyone. I am a kind of busy so I don't have all day to listen open e-mails which contain nothing more than a previous e-mail but with "Yeah right" or "I hear ya" or "Gosh I never though of it that way" at the top. Again I bare no disrespect and simply offer this for your consideration. Keep up the great work, Cheers, Conor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet communications are not secure and therefore BUPA IRELAND does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of BUPA IRE From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Wed Mar 1 11:35:49 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. References: Message-ID: <38BD0095.5AF2DEF1@tradesignals.com> Ah.. but this is a community type thing. I feel the list would be a lot less interesting without the human factor. Besides, when I suggest something that'll fix a problem it's heartening to hear back that the fix worked and helped someone. :) (personal reply works too, but at least others know that the solution works as well if it's public.) You should see the ILUG, or any of the Open Source product mailing lists. The MySQL list accumulates about a 1000 mails every 10 days. A lot of it is rubbish but there are some nuggets there. When somebody replies that a fix worked for them I'd be a lot more likely to implement that fix in Tradesignals.com too (locally first.. usual disclaimers about testing before putting something out applies here!) Anyway, just my two cents.. they keep you too busy at Bupa :) Donncha. PS. If anyone's interested, ther are over 80 people on the list. Glad to see such support for Linux, whether in Cork or elsewhere! Conor Lynch wrote: > > [snip] > However, I'd like to ask that opinions that are meant SOLELY for one > person be sent > to that one person and NOT to everyone. > I am a kind of busy so I don't have all day to listen open e-mails which > contain nothing > more than a previous e-mail but with > "Yeah right" > > or > > "I hear ya" [snip] From owen at linux.ie Wed Mar 1 11:51:45 2000 From: owen at linux.ie (Owen Kelly) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. Message-ID: <200003011153.LAA30425@lugh.tuatha.org> Hey Conor, Things at CLUG can get hectic the odd time with mails flying about ... if youre busy at work on a regular basis but wish to keep track of the CLUG mails, then do what a few of us do. Set up a pop account somewhere, and subscribe to CLUG using that. That way, you can check the mails when it suits you, and focus on your job in hand. Hope that helps, -- Owen Kelly owen@linux.ie http://owenkelly.com From Twomey_Mark at emc.com Wed Mar 1 12:32:41 2000 From: Twomey_Mark at emc.com (Twomey_Mark@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. Message-ID: Conor, I'm afraid that there's nothing that can be done with regard to personal opinions on the list. It's not something I feel we should change anyhow, that?s partially the reason we lobbied for and successfully were issued with this list. Do we offer a digest?, if so you may want to subscribe to that instead. Regards, Mark. From Collins_Paul at emc.com Wed Mar 1 12:53:12 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. Message-ID: > From: Twomey_Mark@emc.com [mailto:Twomey_Mark@emc.com] > Conor, > I'm afraid that there's nothing that can be done with regard > to personal > opinions on the list. It's not something I feel we should -snip- Conor wasnt objecting to people's opinions. He was objecting to people hitting reply and simply appending "me too" to a large mail. That drives me nuts too, and is one reason I unsubbed from the ILUG list. Paul. From lynchc at bupa.ie Wed Mar 1 15:13:15 2000 From: lynchc at bupa.ie (Conor Lynch) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. Message-ID: Well spotted Paul, I would never be against honest opinions or personal touches, I just have the notion that if you send e-mails with "Yup" or "Great" or "hmmmm" and nothing else then perhaps they can be sent to the PERSON, not the GROUP. Generally people who make a key business difference don't have infinite patience or infinite time. Just remember that if you occassionally send a number of one word e-mail that say nothing, eventually people will stop listening. And that would be a grave injustice to your expertise in an area you enjoy. Anyway I've had my say and I appreciate the frank and honest responses. The notion has been given its fair and due attention and you've all been nothing but helpful as always. Personally I think ye're all a laugh. Thank you for your time, Cheers, Conor. Conor wasnt objecting to people's opinions. He was objecting to people hitting reply and simply appending "me too" to a large mail. That drives me nuts too, and is one reason I unsubbed from the ILUG list. Paul. _______________________________________________ Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet communications are not secure and therefore BUPA IRELAND does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of BUPA IRE From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Wed Mar 1 15:13:59 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. References: Message-ID: <38BD33B7.1CBA98A7@tradesignals.com> The reply-to field was set to the original writer of the email when this list was first created and was changed to the address of the list when some people requested it. Think I should change it back? (I'm in favour of mailing the original author too). This came up on ILUG several times and was changed, but it's now back to the default (reply to author) after a long email discussion. Donncha. Conor Lynch wrote: > > Well spotted Paul, > I would never be against honest opinions or personal touches, > I just have the notion that if you send e-mails with > > "Yup" > > or > > "Great" > > or > > "hmmmm" > > and nothing else then perhaps they can be sent to the PERSON, not the > GROUP. > From Collins_Paul at emc.com Wed Mar 1 15:28:10 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. Message-ID: > The reply-to field was set to the original writer of the > email when this > list was first created and was changed to the address of the list when > some people requested it. Think I should change it back? (I'm > in favour > of mailing the original author too). I remember seeing a document somewhere on why setting Reply-To to the address of the list is the wrong thing to do. It was very thorough and I recall being convinced by the arguments presented, but I cannot remember where I saw it. But the point being raised here was quoting an entire message, plus the sig, plus the CLUG trailer and then only adding "damn straight!" to the end. Changing Reply-To won't fix that. Paul. From Collins_Paul at emc.com Wed Mar 1 15:33:42 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Reply-To munging considered harmful Message-ID: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html And in typical fashion, I found just after I sent me previous message. I've posted this to the list because I figured many of you might be interested. Send it on to ILUG if you deem it appropriate. Paul. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Wed Mar 1 15:35:01 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Meet Message-ID: <38BD38A5.D07D72EA@tradesignals.com> Back to the Metropole tomorrow night at 8:30? I have copies of RH PRO 6.1 to give out to a few people, you know who you are so make sure you're there or I'll give your copy to a marketing person! muuhhahahahhaha!!! oooerr, sorry about that. must calm down, must calm down.. Donncha. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Wed Mar 1 15:35:25 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Reply-To munging considered harmful References: Message-ID: <38BD38BD.C4D0DF39@tradesignals.com> So, who wants me to change the default action to "reply to author"? Mail me at donncha.ocaoimh@tradesignals.com with subject "YES", or "NO".. Donncha. Collins_Paul@emc.com wrote: > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > > And in typical fashion, I found just after I sent me previous message. I've > posted this to the list because I figured many of you might be interested. > Send it on to ILUG if you deem it appropriate. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Wed Mar 1 16:07:49 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] [Fwd: [ILUG] Re: Cutting crap, and the mystery guest.] Message-ID: <38BD4055.DC6B4427@tradesignals.com> Re: the discussion about excessive quoting.. I unarchived my old ILUG mail file and found over 11000 emails going back to October 1998 (I guess I must have been using Windows before then at work..) Anyway, there was a long thread on the topic below - look at the date in the header! Donncha. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ILUG] Re: Cutting crap, and the mystery guest. Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:31:52 GMT Resent-From: ilug@linux.ie Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:31:28 +0000 From: Fergal Daly Reply-To: ilug@linux.ie To: ilug@linux.ie References: <9811231550.AA27281@sced.esoc.esa.de> <36598EBC.6797B940@bluetree.ie> Kenn Humborg wrote: > And how about trimming off the ILUG signature as well? > > The number of posts with 3+ ILUG sigs is ridiculous. > > I'd suggest running the list mail through a filter that would > automatically remove these multiple sigs, but then some people > would _never_ learn... I think this is the third time this dicussion has been had since around april. At this rate the amount of bandwidth wasted on dicussing the problem will be more than is wasted by quoting. I propose that we say no more on the subject and just knee-cap anyone who quotes too much, Fergal -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie To unsubscribe, mail ilug-request@linux.ie with Subject: unsubscribe WWW: http://www.linux.ie/ List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 2 09:06:29 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Ftp References: <001a01bf6ded$8b9f1a80$01646464@briandil> Message-ID: <38BE2F15.5BE93C2@tradesignals.com> gftp looks nice, there's probably some KDE ones too.. (can use kfm but..) ncftp is a console ftp client that's really nice. lftp is like using a shell in an ftp program.. _very_ nice for those of us who want to do some tricks :) Donncha Brian Dillon wrote: > > Heyup .. I know its late .. but hopefully someones about ;) > Could anyone point me in the dir of a good ftp point and click > application? apart from netscape .. something on the lines of > bulletproof ftp or such for windows? > > Brian > From dkjfa at yahoo.com Thu Mar 2 09:26:17 2000 From: dkjfa at yahoo.com (dkjfa@yahoo.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Spend the Night with A Porno Beauty Message-ID: <252.864447.823865@yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.linux.ie/pipermail/cork/attachments/20000302/d05fad38/attachment.htm From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 2 14:24:08 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Spend the Night with A Porno Beauty References: <252.864447.823865@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38BE7988.D792F40A@tradesignals.com> *ggrrrrr* How the hell did this get through?! I'm mailing abuse@ a few hosts now.. Donncha. dkjfa@yahoo.com wrote: > > The Time Management Program... > Spend your time in the comfort you > choose...Simply CLICK HERE and > your on your way to "Pure Relaxation" > _______________________________________________ Cork maillist - > Cork@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork From Collins_Paul at emc.com Thu Mar 2 14:32:27 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Spend the Night with A Porno Beauty Message-ID: "Porno beauty" ? The one precludes the other, methinks. Paul. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 2 15:09:24 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] MS invented symbolic links! Message-ID: <38BE8424.E920620E@tradesignals.com> This is funny :) http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2000/02-28w2k.asp Donncha. From jhegarty at sdf.lonestar.org Thu Mar 2 15:25:59 2000 From: jhegarty at sdf.lonestar.org (John Hegarty) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] MS invented symbolic links! (fwd) Message-ID: Was that before or after they invented the light bulb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jhegarty@sdf.lonestar.org Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:09:24 +0000 From: Donncha O Caoimh Reply-To: cork@linux.ie To: ilug@linux.ie, cork@linux.ie Subject: [CLUG] MS invented symbolic links! This is funny :) http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2000/02-28w2k.asp Donncha. _______________________________________________ Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork From cmc at stardivision.de Thu Mar 2 15:47:33 2000 From: cmc at stardivision.de (Caolan McNamara) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Re: [ILUG] MS invented symbolic links! In-Reply-To: <38BE8424.E920620E@tradesignals.com> References: <38BE8424.E920620E@tradesignals.com> Message-ID: <20000302.15473373@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 02.03.00, 16:09:24, Donncha O Caoimh wrote regarding [ILUG] MS invented symbolic links!: > This is funny :) > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2000/02-28w2k.asp Surely it would be a hard link so if one gets deleted then the other one will remain ? Anyhow you could half implement this for pretty much any unix os in a very short period of time i.e. a find script that computes the md5 hash of each file, sort the list, when there are duplicate entries then delete all but one and hard link the deleted names to the remaining duplicate... easy peasy, catch would be that any attempt to modify a duplicate would change the original which would not be the desired transparent behaviour, and secondly linux won't allow hard links between different mounts, but that would be small beans in the general scheme of things... If you wanted Im sure you could add a "middling link" to linux which treats modification of one of the links the same as a hard link treats a deletion of one of its links. Decrement the count but create a copy as well and off you go... Pretty much in the spirit of copy on write memory accesses. But nonetheless I am suspicious at the gains they claim to have received to say the least. C. > Donncha. > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From jm at jmason.org Thu Mar 2 16:08:54 2000 From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Re: [ILUG] MS invented symbolic links! In-Reply-To: Message from Caolan McNamara of "Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:47:33 GMT." <20000302.15473373@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> Message-ID: <200003021611.QAA07377@callisto.netnoteinc.com> Caolan McNamara said: > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2000/02-28w2k.asp > > Surely it would be a hard link so if one gets deleted then the other one > will remain ? Anyhow you could half implement this for pretty much any > unix os in a very short period of time i.e. a find script that computes > the md5 hash of each file, sort the list, when there are duplicate > entries then delete all but one and hard link the deleted names to the > remaining duplicate. The Camel book used to have an example script called "lndir" IIRC, which did exactly this (as long as everything was on one fs of course). > wanted Im sure you could add a "middling link" to linux which treats > modification of one of the links the same as a hard link treats a > deletion of one of its links. Decrement the count but create a copy > as well and off you go... Pretty much in the spirit of copy on write > memory accesses. That would be cool. BTW despite what the slashdotters say, I don't think that's what MS is talking about -- as far as I can see it's just the same as lndir did. --j. From peter at silmaril.ie Thu Mar 2 05:44:31 2000 From: peter at silmaril.ie (Peter Flynn) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Ftp In-Reply-To: <001a01bf6ded$8b9f1a80$01646464@briandil> References: <001a01bf6ded$8b9f1a80$01646464@briandil> Message-ID: <00030205452100.00491@pentacle> On Thu, 03 Feb 2000, Brian wrote: > > Heyup .. I know its late .. but hopefully someones about ;) > Could anyone point me in the dir of a good ftp point and click application? apart from netscape .. something on the lines of bulletproof ftp or such for windows? For Windoze the best is WS_FTP from Ipswitch. ///Peter -- Understanding SGML and XML ToolsKluwer 19980-7923-8169-6432 http://imbolc.ucc.ie/~pflynn/books/sgmltools.html From peter at silmaril.ie Thu Mar 2 06:00:45 2000 From: peter at silmaril.ie (Peter Flynn) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Re: Genesis In-Reply-To: <200003011032.KAA26887@lugh.tuatha.org> References: <200003011032.KAA26887@lugh.tuatha.org> Message-ID: <00030206130202.00491@pentacle> On Wed, 01 Mar 2000, Owen wrote: > I dont claim to be a techie, but I have first hand information that > this Technology will work. I'll be the first to sign up if it does. I just query what forces they are using if they have managed to change the laws of Physics in their favour. I'm off to hunt up my sources and do the math. It's been rather a long time, and maybe something has changed, but basically we assume (generously) that they mean 45,000,000 bits per second and not 47,185,920 bits per second, and we are talking about passing a signal in one of two ways: digital or analogue. If it's digital, then we mean causing copper molecules to signal a change of state that many times a second. If it's analogue, we mean framing a carrier wave which will encapsulate that much data in an even higher frequency. If they want to deliver this over the local loop, and everyone on my string signs up for it, I'm unclear how the copper will stay solid. ///Peter From peter at silmaril.ie Thu Mar 2 06:22:50 2000 From: peter at silmaril.ie (Peter Flynn) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00030206271706.00491@pentacle> On Wed, 01 Mar 2000, Paul wrote: > I remember seeing a document somewhere on why setting Reply-To to the > address of the list is the wrong thing to do. I Yes, this is a religious thing. The Reply-To was invented before the widespread use of mailing lists as they currently exist. Certain people still don't grasp that email _discussion_ lists are FOR the public expression of views, so the default should be for public responses. Yes it conflicts with the original intent of RFC822, but that's for now irrelevant historical reasons. > But the point being raised here was quoting an entire message, plus the sig, > plus the CLUG trailer and then only adding "damn straight!" to the end. > Changing Reply-To won't fix that. Correct. Unedited bulk quotes are evil no matter how the reply is directed. ///Peter From peter at silmaril.ie Thu Mar 2 06:16:33 2000 From: peter at silmaril.ie (Peter Flynn) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. In-Reply-To: <38BD33B7.1CBA98A7@tradesignals.com> References: <38BD33B7.1CBA98A7@tradesignals.com> Message-ID: <00030206190204.00491@pentacle> On Wed, 01 Mar 2000, you wrote: > The reply-to field was set to the original writer of the email when this > list was first created and was changed to the address of the list when > some people requested it. Think I should change it back? (I'm in favour > of mailing the original author too). > This came up on ILUG several times and was changed, but it's now back to > the default (reply to author) after a long email discussion. I hope it will stay where it should be: reply to the list. Otherwise why bother with a list at all? The whole purpose is that replies DO go to everyone: that's what a discussion list is for. If it's a _distribution_ list, for one-way communication, then by all means set the replies to go to the sender. Having replies go to the author only is the wrong default for a discussion, which is inherently a group activity. ///Peter From chick at indigo.ie Fri Mar 3 00:24:20 2000 From: chick at indigo.ie (Cathal Hickey) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Ftp References: <001a01bf6ded$8b9f1a80$01646464@briandil> <00030205452100.00491@pentacle> Message-ID: <38BF0634.937E6C35@indigo.ie> Peter Flynn wrote: > On Thu, 03 Feb 2000, Brian wrote: > > > > Heyup .. I know its late .. but hopefully someones about ;) > > Could anyone point me in the dir of a good ftp point and click application? apart from netscape .. something on the lines of bulletproof ftp or such for windows? > > For Windoze the best is WS_FTP from Ipswitch. > > ///Peter > -- > > Understanding SGML and XML ToolsKluwer > 19980-7923-8169-6432 > http://imbolc.ucc.ie/~pflynn/books/sgmltools.html > > _______________________________________________ > Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork Personnaly I prefer Cute_ftp From peter.bilitch at consultation.net Fri Mar 3 08:42:15 2000 From: peter.bilitch at consultation.net (Peter J. A. Bilitch) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] MS invented symbolic links! In-Reply-To: <200003030627.GAA18764@lugh.tuatha.org> Message-ID: <4.3.2.20000303093945.00b4bd50@isoit844.bbn.hp.com> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2000/02-28w2k.asp Is it me, or did they misspell Bill Bolosky? ;-) Peter From Collins_Paul at emc.com Fri Mar 3 10:22:14 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. Message-ID: > From: Peter Flynn [mailto:peter@silmaril.ie] > On Wed, 01 Mar 2000, Paul wrote: > > I remember seeing a document somewhere on why setting > Reply-To to the > > address of the list is the wrong thing to do. I > > Yes, this is a religious thing. The Reply-To was invented before the > widespread use of mailing lists as they currently exist. > Certain people > still don't grasp that email _discussion_ lists are FOR the public > expression of views, so the default should be for public responses. Reply-To is to be set by the sender of a message and no-one else. The document I mentioned is linked to from the ILUG FAQ. Paul. From jm at jmason.org Thu Mar 2 16:08:54 2000 From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Re: [ILUG] MS invented symbolic links! In-Reply-To: Message from Caolan McNamara of "Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:47:33 GMT." <20000302.15473373@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> Message-ID: <200003021611.QAA07377@callisto.netnoteinc.com> Caolan McNamara said: > > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2000/02-28w2k.asp > > Surely it would be a hard link so if one gets deleted then the other one > will remain ? Anyhow you could half implement this for pretty much any > unix os in a very short period of time i.e. a find script that computes > the md5 hash of each file, sort the list, when there are duplicate > entries then delete all but one and hard link the deleted names to the > remaining duplicate. The Camel book used to have an example script called "lndir" IIRC, which did exactly this (as long as everything was on one fs of course). > wanted Im sure you could add a "middling link" to linux which treats > modification of one of the links the same as a hard link treats a > deletion of one of its links. Decrement the count but create a copy > as well and off you go... Pretty much in the spirit of copy on write > memory accesses. That would be cool. BTW despite what the slashdotters say, I don't think that's what MS is talking about -- as far as I can see it's just the same as lndir did. --j. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From bligh at indigo.ie Fri Mar 3 17:28:02 2000 From: bligh at indigo.ie (Bligh Swift) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Networking Message-ID: <000801bf8535$d5652600$4b927dc2@Bligh> I am attempting to set up my RH 6.0 machine as a server and connect my Windows 98 machine to it. I'd like to be able to use the printer which is connected to my Windows machine from linux. I'd also like to use the linux machine to connect to the internet via the modem and use this connection from Windows. And I'd like to be able to share files between both machines. I've bought a Network Starter Kit with two PCI Ethernet cards and a hub and I'm ready to go but would it be advisable to re-install RH 6.0 and select the server option (I think I originally installed using the workstation option) ? Also, can someone point me in the direction of some documentation which would be helpful ? - I'm new to linux and to networking. Many thanks, Bligh Swift onezero From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Fri Mar 3 17:25:53 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Networking References: <000801bf8535$d5652600$4b927dc2@Bligh> Message-ID: <38BFF5A1.BD769218@tradesignals.com> No need to reinstall.. you might want to mount the redhat cd ("mount /mnt/cdrom" as root) and install everything if you have the space.. rpm -Uvh /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS/* should do the trick probably. run "netcfg" as root to setup networking.. dead handy. Look in /usr/doc/HOWTO/ or /usr/doc/HOWTO/other-formats/html for the NET-3-HOWTO.. there's also a load of other info there. Do a search of the ILUG archive.. should find answers to most things there.. Donncha. Bligh Swift wrote: > > I am attempting to set up my RH 6.0 machine as a server and connect my > Windows 98 machine to it. I'd like to be able to use the printer which is > connected to my Windows machine from linux. I'd also like to use the linux > From mfield at oceanfree.net Fri Mar 3 20:27:15 2000 From: mfield at oceanfree.net (mfield@oceanfree.net) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Networking In-Reply-To: <000801bf8535$d5652600$4b927dc2@Bligh> Message-ID: <200003032030.UAA09140@lugh.tuatha.org> > > Also, can someone point me in the direction of some documentation which > would be helpful ? - I'm new to linux and to networking. If you're on ILUG you may have noticed this link to O'Reilly's (free) Samba book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/index.html This is also worth a look, for Samba: http://home.talkcity.com/MigrationPath/maguai/ Michael. From peter at silmaril.ie Sat Mar 4 10:27:14 2000 From: peter at silmaril.ie (Peter Flynn) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00030410441300.00532@pentacle> On Fri, 03 Mar 2000, Paul wrote: > Reply-To is to be set by the sender of a message and no-one else. I repeat, this was invented before the widespread use of mailing lists as we now know them. It has needed updating wrt mailing lists ever since Eric Thomas wrote LISTSERV. It's perfectly correct wrt person-to-person mail: it is completely wrong wrt discussion lists. Of course an individual author should be able to specify a Reply-To back to their personal address for specific messages on special occasions, when they judge that the topic does not need public airing, and mailing lists should honour such intervention, but I repeat again, THE DEFAULT for an email DISCUSSION LIST should be for replies to go back to the whole list. Otherwise what is the point of having the list in the first place: no-one would be able to DISCUSS anything BY DEFAULT -- instead,everyone would have to manually change the To address every single time they wanted something to go back to the list, which is utter lunacy and flies in the face of every established principle of ergonomics, merely to satisfy a mistaken belief that all RFCs are some kind of gospel. I am well aware of the arguments about the origins of Reply-To, and of the attitude of many people with a long Unix background, myself included, who are so accustomed to the formatof mailing list addresses and the ease with which you can make manual changes to headers in standard mailers that doing it manually is not a problem (an annoyance, perhaps, but not a problem). I'm on a big list which does it this way. I contribute frequently, which means that perhaps 90% of my posts to that forum are intended for public consumption, and only 10% go back to the author. What I cannot grasp is the mentality that says I should expend 9 times as much labour to perform the default action as I do to perform a special action. And of course I'm not talking about myself: I long since rigged RMAIL to do the job properly wrt this particular list, so I don't have to do it manually, but the average user of Exchange doesn't have this option. Many proponents of strict RFC822 adherence forget that the world has passed them by, and is now composed of 99.9999% email novices who have never heard of the standard, Reply-To, headers, or anything else. They just want their mailer to do the obvious and sensible thing, which for a mailing list is to post a reply back to the list. ///Peter From bligh at indigo.ie Sat Mar 4 13:38:53 2000 From: bligh at indigo.ie (Bligh Swift) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] ISP supporting MySQL and PHP 3 and ISDN Message-ID: <001601bf85de$fc12fd00$60927dc2@Bligh> I'm looking for an ISP which will support both PHP3 and MySQL. Does anyone know of an Irish one which provides these services and say 100MB of space for a reasonable price ( < ?300.00 per year). Also I'm getting an ISDN line installed and I want to connect my RH6.1 server to the internet via ISDN. Do I just need an ISDN adapter card ? Will my Windows 98 machine be able to use this connection over my LAN ? Can anyone recommend somewhere to get an ISDN adapter card and a terminal adapter ? (over the web or locally) Also any suggestions for an ISP which offers cheap ISDN access ? Many Thanks, Bligh From davidd at xevion.lost-in-cyberspace.com Sat Mar 4 15:55:23 2000 From: davidd at xevion.lost-in-cyberspace.com (david) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] ISP supporting MySQL and PHP 3 and ISDN Message-ID: well why not just get isdn off eircom or whoever, (esat still holding off :( ) and for your hosting use www.darklite.com they have pretty good deals, Davidd From kenn at linux.ie Sun Mar 5 02:10:28 2000 From: kenn at linux.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Re: [ILUG] Re: Genesis In-Reply-To: <436.951905919@cougar.baltimore.ie>; from Paul Mc Auley on Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 10:18:39AM +0000 References: <436.951905919@cougar.baltimore.ie> Message-ID: <20000305021028.C12565@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> On Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 10:18:39AM +0000, Paul Mc Auley wrote: > I do not see how they can supply 45Mbits to me, let alone everybody in my > neighbourhood. Remember that ye olde thick coax is only rated for 10Mbits. Note that _ethernet_ over coax is rated for 10Mbits. It's a limitation of the _system_ (the cable propogation properties, the protocol design, the interface electronics, the signal levels) not just the cable. Ever used an oscilloscope? The probe cables are 50ohm coax. Wouldn't be much good if it was limited to 20MHz! Not to mention all the other places coax is used... Later, Kenn From dconner at tinet.ie Sun Mar 5 06:13:46 2000 From: dconner at tinet.ie (tinet.ie) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Re: [ILUG] Re: Genesis References: <436.951905919@cougar.baltimore.ie> <20000305021028.C12565@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> Message-ID: <001001bf8669$f7edad20$0200040a@pentafluge> Just add my two cents here, To my mind, the wires betwixt exchange and house are for the most part irrelevant, 44.whatever megabits of banwidth is a T3, give or take (if I am not mistaken), and indeed exactly, I suspect. Now, excluding the engineering feat of trying to squirt that down the twisted pair to your house from the local exchange, which I'm prepared to believe is theoretically possible (hell, I squirt 100mbit down damnably long twisted pair as it is, without significant difficulty), we come to the problem of taking that data from the local exchange to wherever it is required. Bear in mind that when you telephone someone, you aren't getting a long wire between the pair of you switched in mechanically, of even electronically. You are getting the data packeted and transmitted along with everyone elses. Which means they are ADCing the signal coming into the exchange, presumably at a fairly low frequency (as in less than 20khz), mixing that in with all the other conversations and squeezing the resultant hodge-podge down a comparatively thin pipe to a bigger exchange, which in turn squirts it to a bigger exchange. Now, again if I'm not mistaken, a T3 is about the bandwidth required for 290 simultaneous telephone conversations. Which sounds somewhat expensive to me, even if they are only doing it for short hops from your local exchange to their own custom box in a big exchange. Indeed I'm hazarding a guess that they wouldn't actually have that much free bandwidth available in most exchanges, unless telecom are a lot more forward looking than I give them credit for, assuming that a couple of people on each exchange opt for the service. However, if it is true anyway, cool, but I'm going to have to take a serious look at my perception of reality, and the underlying physics thereof. Dermot ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenn Humborg > Note that _ethernet_ over coax is rated for 10Mbits. It's a limitation > of the _system_ (the cable propogation properties, the protocol design, > the interface electronics, the signal levels) not just the cable. > > Ever used an oscilloscope? The probe cables are 50ohm coax. Wouldn't > be much good if it was limited to 20MHz! Not to mention all the other > places coax is used... > > Later, > Kenn From Collins_Paul at emc.com Mon Mar 6 08:58:57 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Clug e-mails. Message-ID: -snip- Peter Flynn explained: > I am well aware of the arguments about the origins of Reply-To, and of > the attitude of many people with a long Unix background, myself > included, who are so accustomed to the formatof mailing list > addresses and the ease with which you can make manual changes to > headers in standard mailers that doing it manually is not a problem -snip- I've probably gotten too used to Gnus, which lets me specify use the parameter "to-address" for mailing list groups. However, I don't think that breaking things to fix other breakage is the right way to go about things. Paul. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Mon Mar 6 09:34:34 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Io - source code for review Message-ID: <38C37BAA.C963DB3E@tradesignals.com> I spent yesterday rewriting Io (http://io.linux.ie for a demo). So far, I've only worked on the display code. The admin and "add message" functions have yet to be done, but I have taken a more OO approach than before. If anyone would like to see what I have done so far please mail me off list and I'll reply with an attached tarball. The archive only contains 2 files, and doesn't include either the database abstraction layer (phplib) or the SQL schema so it's practically useless and would be quite difficult to run. Nevertheless if anyone wants to look at the code please mail me. It's all done in PHP3, with a MySQL backend (db is interchangable) Donncha. From BRoycroft at mcom.cit.ie Wed Mar 8 02:00:17 2000 From: BRoycroft at mcom.cit.ie (Roycroft, Bryan) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] do i need to install a driver Message-ID: <91265800CBD9D311A9E100105A306C8305360D@apps-ogham.cit.ie> Do I need to install a driver for my sound card, because linux refuses to open the mixer, and there is no sound output to my speakers, and if I need to install a driver are they readily available. From owen at linux.ie Tue Mar 7 14:03:17 2000 From: owen at linux.ie (Owen Kelly) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] do i need to install a driver Message-ID: <200003071405.OAA28425@lugh.tuatha.org> What kind of Soundcard do you have? Is it compatible with Linux? Generally you will need to install a driver, but for the more popular cards, thats quite easy. Let us know which card you have and we can progress from there. -- Owen Kelly owen@linux.ie http://owenkelly.com From rkirby at iol.ie Tue Mar 7 14:27:24 2000 From: rkirby at iol.ie (Ronan Kirby) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] do i need to install a driver In-Reply-To: <91265800CBD9D311A9E100105A306C8305360D@apps-ogham.cit.ie> Message-ID: Try running superprobe. On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Roycroft, Bryan wrote: > Do I need to install a driver for my sound card, because linux refuses to > open the mixer, and there is no sound output to my speakers, and if I need > to install a driver are they readily available. > > _______________________________________________ > Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork > > From Collins_Paul at emc.com Tue Mar 7 15:23:19 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] do i need to install a driver Message-ID: > From: Ronan Kirby [mailto:rkirby@iol.ie] > > Try running superprobe. SuperProbe is for probing video cards. If you have Red Hat or Mandrake, try running sndconfig (sndcfg?) as root. If it tries to probe settings and fails, exit and try again. It took two tries for Mandrake to detect my AWE64 Value. Paul. From rkirby at iol.ie Tue Mar 7 15:46:43 2000 From: rkirby at iol.ie (Ronan Kirby) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] do i need to install a driver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Try running superprobe. > > SuperProbe is for probing video cards. If you have Red Hat or Mandrake, try /me hits himself hard on the head for not reading the mail properly! From BRoycroft at mcom.cit.ie Wed Mar 8 03:32:16 2000 From: BRoycroft at mcom.cit.ie (Roycroft, Bryan) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <91265800CBD9D311A9E100105A306C83053611@apps-ogham.cit.ie> i'm running slackware in relation to above From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Tue Mar 7 16:26:27 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: sound card drivers (was Re: [CLUG] (no subject)) References: <91265800CBD9D311A9E100105A306C83053611@apps-ogham.cit.ie> Message-ID: <38C52DB3.F616C591@tradesignals.com> Running slackware eh? Then you're going to have some trouble getting it working. first off, you need to find out what resources the card uses. If it's a PCI card look in /proc/pci and find your card there. If it's an ISA card look in /proc/interrupts (or /proc/irq I think.. this differs among distributions) and /proc/dma You'll also need to play with the pnptools package. Look for it on freshmeat.net Once you know that, if it is a PNP card you'll have to create a module for the sound card driver (cd /usr/src/linux;make xconfig to mess with the kernel config) and then insmod or modprobe the module. Don't forget to edit /etc/conf.modules too. It's a bit hairy, the RedHat sndconfig program takes care of practically all of the above.. Look through the howtos (http://www.linuxdoc.org/) for more info. http://www.linuxnewbie.com and Owens' BLG on http://www.linux.ie have more info too. Donncha. "Roycroft, Bryan" wrote: > > i'm running slackware in relation to above > From Collins_Paul at emc.com Tue Mar 7 16:37:56 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: sound card drivers (was Re: [CLUG] (no subject)) Message-ID: > From: Donncha O Caoimh [mailto:donncha.ocaoimh@tradesignals.com] > first off, you need to find out what resources the card uses. > If it's a PCI card look in /proc/pci and find your card there. > If it's an ISA card look in /proc/interrupts (or /proc/irq I think.. > this differs among distributions) and /proc/dma I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that ISA devices only show up in /proc/interrupts and /proc/dma when the driver is loaded and running. PCI devices show up regardless because the Linux PCI bus driver enumerates the devices at boot time. Paul. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Tue Mar 7 16:39:12 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: sound card drivers (was Re: [CLUG] (no subject)) References: Message-ID: <38C530B0.41F303A7@tradesignals.com> True.. you have to run pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf and then isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf to initialise things. Donncha. Collins_Paul@emc.com wrote: > > > From: Donncha O Caoimh [mailto:donncha.ocaoimh@tradesignals.com] > > > first off, you need to find out what resources the card uses. > > If it's a PCI card look in /proc/pci and find your card there. > > If it's an ISA card look in /proc/interrupts (or /proc/irq I think.. > > this differs among distributions) and /proc/dma > > I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that ISA devices only show up in > /proc/interrupts and /proc/dma when the driver is loaded and running. PCI > devices show up regardless because the Linux PCI bus driver enumerates the > devices at boot time. From pjb at iol.ie Tue Mar 7 22:38:59 2000 From: pjb at iol.ie (Paul) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Unsubscribe Message-ID: <000901bf8885$eed18680$5e8391c2@nolimits> Hello All, I would like to unsubscribe form the group for the time being, I'm not to sure how to go about unsubscribing on the web and I have more then likely forgot my password. Sorry for troubling you guys thanks again. Paul. pjb@iol.ie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.linux.ie/pipermail/cork/attachments/20000307/a67729f5/attachment.htm From James_Baldwin at dell.com Wed Mar 8 10:32:21 2000 From: James_Baldwin at dell.com (James_Baldwin@dell.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:23 2006 Subject: [CLUG] RE: sound card drivers Message-ID: <0BC19903D3AED2118A9C0090272ABA5202232DF8@limxmmf106.mfg.ie.dell.com> >Donnacha Wrote: >It's a bit hairy, the RedHat sndconfig program takes care of practically >all of the above.. Not for SBLIVE! PCI cards. Damn bastarden thing can change PNP resources on the fly if the BIOS ESCD config is updated/refreshed, which is quite often knowing my damn M/Board. Anyone know of a decent server out there for the SB! (that can also probe for any changes of resources on boot?) Also, did you check out todays Scan offer of a Dual-Celeron Mobo. and 2x 500Mhz Celeron for like ?250Stg.! Also, 80 Min 50pcs Memorex CD's for ?28.00stg? Holy Mother! Enjoy Hash Wednesday. James. _______________________________________________ Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork From d_odonnabhain at vistech.ie Wed Mar 8 14:47:41 2000 From: d_odonnabhain at vistech.ie (Donnchadh =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3=20Donnabh=E1in?=) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Nerds 2.0.1 Message-ID: <38C6680D.B5177767@vistech.ie> I mentioned at the last meeting that triumph of the nerds was shown on TG4. It was actually Nerds 2.0.1: A Brief History of the Internet. It's over now but no doubt will be frequently repeated. Donnchadh -- // Donnchadh ? Donnabh?in mailto:d_odonnabhain@vistech.ie // Vistech Software http://www.vistechsoftware.com // Inchvale House, Douglas West, Cork, Ireland // Ph. +353-21-918166 Fax +353-21-896142 From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 9 09:06:39 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] [Fwd: [ILUG] Bootable business cards! cool!!] Message-ID: <38C7699F.ACD1366E@tradesignals.com> I contacted them a few minutes ago so hopefully I should hear back from them soon :) Donncha. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ILUG] Bootable business cards! cool!! Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:39:28 +0000 From: "John Gay" To: ilug@linux.ie Have a look at this: http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/ a complete Debian GNU/Linux installation on a business card CD! Way COOL! They even mention that Linux groups can order these. Just think how much easier it would be to clandestinely install Linux at work with a business card rather than a regular CD! What are the chances of getting some of these for the next meeting? Cheers, John Gay From Collins_Paul at emc.com Thu Mar 9 09:22:55 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] [Fwd: [ILUG] Bootable business cards! cool!!] [OT] Message-ID: > From: "John Gay" > a complete Debian GNU/Linux installation on a business card CD! Has anyone tried DEC/IBM/Microsoft VMS/OS/2/Windows NT/2000 yet? Paul. From Collins_Paul at emc.com Thu Mar 9 12:05:19 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] sorry, but this is only a test Message-ID: I was trying to use Telnet to verify the address, but I couldn't connect. Paul. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 9 11:59:19 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] weekly meeting Message-ID: <38C79217.565E4884@tradesignals.com> Tonight at 8:30pm in the Metropole then? cya there! Donncha. From mfield at oceanfree.net Thu Mar 9 12:46:05 2000 From: mfield at oceanfree.net (mfield@oceanfree.net) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] weekly meeting Message-ID: <20000309124605.29950.cpmta@c006.sfo.cp.net> If anyone has a book with a nice *simple* section on setting up an ldap server (for someone that knows sfa about databases) could they bring it along. Cheers, Michael. On Thu, 09 March 2000, Donncha O Caoimh wrote: > > Tonight at 8:30pm in the Metropole then? > > cya there! > > Donncha. > > _______________________________________________ > Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork Visit http://www.oceanfree.net to get your free e-mail account and use our unique Irish Internet directory From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 9 12:38:15 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] weekly meeting References: <20000309124605.29950.cpmta@c006.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <38C79B37.BA567AE4@tradesignals.com> I doubt there's a nice simple book on LDAP anywhere ;) Remember Kates' talk in Dublin? 'Course, following the instructions on http://www.openldap.org in the quickstart section I had it installed and converted over most of the config files in /etc/ within a few hours on the following Monday :) Donncha. mfield@oceanfree.net wrote: > > If anyone has a book with a nice *simple* section on setting up an ldap server (for someone that knows sfa about databases) could they bring it along. > > Cheers, > > Michael. From d_odonnabhain at vistech.ie Thu Mar 9 14:35:40 2000 From: d_odonnabhain at vistech.ie (Donnchadh =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3=20Donnabh=E1in?=) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] weekly meeting References: <20000309124605.29950.cpmta@c006.sfo.cp.net> Message-ID: <38C7B6BC.F5AA4261@vistech.ie> mfield@oceanfree.net wrote: > > If anyone has a book with a nice *simple* section on setting up an ldap server (for someone that knows sfa about databases) could they bring it along. > I don't have any LDAP book but wrox publishes one http://www.wrox.com/Consumer/Store/Details.asp?ISBN=1861002211 It's geared towards Netscape Directory Server. OpenLDAP is fairly easy to set up. I set it up after Kate's talk. I haven't done anything useful with it yet, though. I'd like to try to set up Netscape to use it as an address book. Donnchadh -- // Donnchadh ? Donnabh?in mailto:d_odonnabhain@vistech.ie // Vistech Software http://www.vistechsoftware.com // Inchvale House, Douglas West, Cork, Ireland // Ph. +353-21-918166 Fax +353-21-896142 From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 9 15:42:55 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] projects page Message-ID: <38C7C67F.A416AF68@tradesignals.com> http://cork.linux.ie/projects/ Not much there yet. I'll post snapshots of my work on Io there for anyone to examine.. comments are welcome, and I'd dearly appreciate feedback on the regex used to transform ']*)", "\\1$host/", $page ); where $page holds the html data and $host is simply the hostname without directories two bugs so far: 1. It seems to work on every second link for some reason. 2. I haven't got around to adding in directories yet. FYI: there's a $url variable defined as http://somehost/directory/file.html Donncha. From Twomey_Mark at emc.com Thu Mar 9 16:02:30 2000 From: Twomey_Mark at emc.com (Twomey_Mark@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] projects page Message-ID: Got your email Dun but mine is flakey at the mo so It took this long to be able to reply. I'm having problems getting Outlook express to attach to our outgoing mail server..crappy piece of crud that it is. The page looks fine. Btw know anything about stress management?? Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: Donncha O Caoimh [SMTP:donncha.ocaoimh@tradesignals.com] > Sent: 09 March 2000 15:43 > To: cork@linux.ie; ilug@linux.ie > Subject: [CLUG] projects page > > http://cork.linux.ie/projects/ > > Not much there yet. I'll post snapshots of my work on Io there for > anyone to examine.. comments are welcome, and I'd dearly appreciate > feedback on the regex used to transform > ' Currently the code is > > $page=eregi_replace( "(href=\")[^mailto]([.^]*)", "\\1$host/", $page > ); > > where $page holds the html data and $host is simply the hostname without > directories > two bugs so far: > 1. It seems to work on every second link for some reason. > 2. I haven't got around to adding in directories yet. > > FYI: there's a $url variable defined as > http://somehost/directory/file.html > > > Donncha. > > _______________________________________________ > Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 9 16:06:50 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] last email Message-ID: <38C7CC1A.5B622BE9@tradesignals.com> That last email is the reason I want the reply-to changed to the poster of the email. While many of us are technically savvy and know how email works, backwards, some of us have to use brain dead clients like Outlook (Express) that aren't too clear about showing who the email is going to. It's changed now, apologies to those who don't like the change. Donncha. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Fri Mar 10 12:18:40 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] [OT] book Message-ID: <38C8E820.EBEA73C7@tradesignals.com> Sorry for the off-topic post.. the book I was talking about last night (the one with the wire falling out of the sky and revolution and all that) is "Red Mars" by Kim Stanley Robinson. You can get it in Vibes and Scribes in the sci-fi section. (used to anyhow) Told ya I'd remember :) Donncha. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Fri Mar 10 13:58:03 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] updated projects page Message-ID: <38C8FF6B.515654AD@tradesignals.com> check it out at http://cork.linux.ie/projects/ Donncha. From jodonovan at cit.ie Fri Mar 10 14:50:09 2000 From: jodonovan at cit.ie (John O'Donovan) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Sendmail Docs Message-ID: <018d01bf8aa0$099abec0$97a0be9d@cit.ie> Could anyone point me to some online sources of Sendmail documentation. Specifically those pertaining to closing down an open relay system. Regards, John. *********************************************** John O'Donovan B.Sc. Astrophysics Research Laboratory, Dept of Applied Physics and Instrumentation, Cork Institute of Technology (CIT), Bishopstown, Cork, Eire. Tel: +353 21 326297 Fax:+353 21 345191 Email: jodonovan@cit.ie *********************************************** From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Fri Mar 10 14:51:49 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Sendmail Docs References: <018d01bf8aa0$099abec0$97a0be9d@cit.ie> Message-ID: <38C90C05.60AB501A@tradesignals.com> Take a look at my script on the projects page. It has some access control facilities included. otherwise, http://www.sendmail.org http://www.sendmail.net http://www.sendmail.com are good sites. Donncha. John O'Donovan wrote: > > Could anyone point me to some online sources of Sendmail documentation. > Specifically those pertaining to closing down an open relay system. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Mon Mar 13 09:02:35 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] announcement: Install-Sendmail 5.3 Message-ID: <38CCAEAB.A34BC8EA@tradesignals.com> Small quicky - new version of your favourite Sendmail configuration tool is available from http://cork.linux.ie/projects/install-sendmail/ I added support for Sendmail 8.10 (ok, I only had to shuffle a few lines around in the M4 file but I got bug reports from people who missed that error ;) and did a little tidying up. I'd appreciate reports back if it works or not, with Sendmail 8.10 or earlier 8.9.x releases as it's untested (besides the 400 or so who have downloaded it this morning already!) Oh.. Freshmeat edited my announcement a bit.. they removed the bit where I called Sendmail a monster *grin* Donncha. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Tue Mar 14 13:45:39 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] mail on web pages Message-ID: <38CE4283.81C310A0@tradesignals.com> Take a look at http://cork.linux.ie/ and scroll down. You should find the last 10 messages posted to cork@ and ilug@linux.ie listed down there. :) Donncha. From ken at tuatha.org Tue Mar 14 16:57:00 2000 From: ken at tuatha.org (ken@tuatha.org) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Michael "Monty" Widenius Interview Message-ID: <200003141702.RAA22342@lugh.tuatha.org> ok, Michael "Monty" Widenius of mysql fame has gotten back to me about being interviewed for the ilug website (see http://www.linux.ie/Interviews if you don't know what I'm going on about). Could you please post questions for him to the ilug@linux.ie mailing list, marked with "Monty Interview" in the subject line please? thanks Ken Ken Guest root@linux.ie +353-868-252-141 technobrat.net Irish Linux Users' Group webmaster, www.linux.ie From donncha at linux.ie Thu Mar 16 00:19:37 2000 From: donncha at linux.ie (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] meeting Message-ID: <38D02899.9BA10A2@linux.ie> As per usual we'll be meeting in the Metropole tonight, Thursday at 8:30pm. Donncha. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 16 11:21:31 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? Message-ID: <38D0C3BB.F651AD5C@tradesignals.com> Is anyone on the list currently studing in Cork IT? I was out there last night and looked into the labs: nothing but NT boxes everywhere. It honestly looks like UCC is going to be a better place to look for people if you're into any kinds of Unix development. (considering the use of Apache etc on websites, Unix dev. is ever more likely in the "hot" ecommerce sector) I might call out there today.. Some of the lecturers will still recognise me :) Donncha. From Collins_Paul at emc.com Thu Mar 16 12:19:15 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? Message-ID: > From: Donncha O Caoimh [mailto:donncha.ocaoimh@tradesignals.com] > Is anyone on the list currently studing in Cork IT? > I was out there last night and looked into the labs: nothing but NT > boxes everywhere. I remember when I was there, there was a lab of AIX boxen. Are they gone? Paul. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 16 12:41:59 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? References: Message-ID: <38D0D697.5A59806B@tradesignals.com> Yup, the Dullahan machines are gone. Maybe if they have a Unix server running in the background you can telnet to, but that's not very acceptable IMO. I mean, what if you want to play KDE solitare eh? :) (ok, X via the DISPLAY variable could be done, but the bandwidth on the network would be sucked dry with lots of users!) Donncha. Collins_Paul@emc.com wrote: > > > From: Donncha O Caoimh [mailto:donncha.ocaoimh@tradesignals.com] > > Is anyone on the list currently studing in Cork IT? > > I was out there last night and looked into the labs: nothing but NT > > boxes everywhere. > > I remember when I was there, there was a lab of AIX boxen. Are they gone? > From jodonovan at cit.ie Thu Mar 16 13:03:25 2000 From: jodonovan at cit.ie (John O'Donovan) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? References: <38D0C3BB.F651AD5C@tradesignals.com> Message-ID: <001401bf8f48$03f0e740$97a0be9d@cit.ie> Well, there is at least one of us here from CIT and yes I know how the place is full of NT boxes which is a shame. From what I know my lab here is one of the few remaining labs which has any sort of Unix.We have3 Sun Workstations and are putting together a new server at the moment which will be running Solaris 8 x86. As for that lab of RS/6000's running AIX , they are gone, about 10 of those machines were thrown in a skip just before Christmas. They somehow made their way to my garage after that ;) Regards, John. *********************************************** John O'Donovan B.Sc. Astrophysics Research Laboratory, Dept of Applied Physics and Instrumentation, Cork Institute of Technology (CIT), Bishopstown, Cork, Eire. Tel: +353 21 326297 Fax:+353 21 345191 Email: jodonovan@cit.ie *********************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: Donncha O Caoimh To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? > Is anyone on the list currently studing in Cork IT? > I was out there last night and looked into the labs: nothing but NT > boxes everywhere. > > It honestly looks like UCC is going to be a better place to look for > people if you're into any kinds of Unix development. (considering the > use of Apache etc on websites, Unix dev. is ever more likely in the > "hot" ecommerce sector) > > I might call out there today.. Some of the lecturers will still > recognise me :) > > Donncha. > > _______________________________________________ > Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork From Collins_Paul at emc.com Thu Mar 16 13:05:05 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? Message-ID: > From: Donncha O Caoimh [mailto:donncha.ocaoimh@tradesignals.com] > Yup, the Dullahan machines are gone. Maybe if they have a Unix server > running in the background you can telnet to, but that's not very > acceptable IMO. I mean, what if you want to play KDE solitare eh? :) > (ok, X via the DISPLAY variable could be done, but the > bandwidth on the > network would be sucked dry with lots of users!) Well, X was designed from the start to saturate Ethernet with the minimum number of users. It has to be said, a major advanatge of using a Unix box is having a nice window manager such as Sawmill; X on Windows just ain't the same. Although, I have one here called X-Deep/32 and it's not too bad. It'll run in multiple-window mode and Emacs works nicely. Paul. From shamage at esatclear.ie Thu Mar 16 14:45:06 2000 From: shamage at esatclear.ie (Shamage) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? References: <38D0C3BB.F651AD5C@tradesignals.com> Message-ID: <001701bf8f56$38ad1590$360cbe9d@cit.ie> Im still in CIT for my sins. Dullahan is still here in the background. We have a solaris box now running as well + all the computers in the IT building dual boot into solaris with CDE. My self and about 5 other students use this I dont think anybody else knows about it. also all of the NT boxes have the Exceed X server installed It is a good job thoes AIX boxes are gone, Things were more trouble than anything. It was a shame that they got rid of aoife and her dumb terminals. The first exposure you now get to Nix is in third year where you are presented with vi and told to get on with it !!!. I must see if I can talk to some people to see if I can get a student run nix box up and running here. I presume the list would be ok in answering a fiew questions should I get the go ahead. Got to go now. Third year finals ATM ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donncha O Caoimh" To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? > Is anyone on the list currently studing in Cork IT? > I was out there last night and looked into the labs: nothing but NT > boxes everywhere. > > It honestly looks like UCC is going to be a better place to look for > people if you're into any kinds of Unix development. (considering the > use of Apache etc on websites, Unix dev. is ever more likely in the > "hot" ecommerce sector) > > I might call out there today.. Some of the lecturers will still > recognise me :) > > Donncha. > > _______________________________________________ > Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork > From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 16 13:34:48 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? References: <38D0C3BB.F651AD5C@tradesignals.com> <001701bf8f56$38ad1590$360cbe9d@cit.ie> Message-ID: <38D0E2F8.569B67F3@tradesignals.com> Shamage wrote: > > Im still in CIT for my sins. > 'S a great college, despite using NT ;) > Dullahan is still here in the background. Hmm.. great, everyone will then think that this Unix stuff is all command line boring stuff.. *grrr* > We have a solaris box now running as well + all the computers in the IT > building dual boot into solaris with CDE. My self and about 5 other students > use this I dont think anybody else knows about it. also all of the NT boxes > have the Exceed X server installed X86 Solaris? That's supposed to be a dog on Intel hardware.. How long have the dual-boots been active? I was out there last year meeting up with some friends in 4th year and they never mentioned it. > > It is a good job thoes AIX boxes are gone, Things were more trouble than > anything. Well.. you gotta love CDE (NOT!) > It was a shame that they got rid of aoife and her dumb terminals. The first > exposure you now get to Nix is in third year where you are presented with vi > and told to get on with it !!!. 3rd year.. How's it look to your average student who's used Visual C++ for 2 and a bit years and then they're asked to use an editor like vi? Not good. (I'd still use Vi myself.. depending on the job, kdevelop is a rather nice VC++ clone.) > > I must see if I can talk to some people to see if I can get a student run > nix box up and running here. > You should, I wanted to call up today, but I'm too busy right now, hopefully next week I can meet a few lecturers for a coffee or something towards the end of the week. > I presume the list would be ok in answering a fiew questions should I get > the go ahead. > No problem, might want to sub to the ILUG list too .. couple of more bodies on that list than on this one! > Got to go now. Third year finals ATM Good luck! Donncha. From Collins_Paul at emc.com Thu Mar 16 14:30:23 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? Message-ID: > From: Donncha O Caoimh [mailto:donncha.ocaoimh@tradesignals.com] > Shamage wrote: > > Dullahan is still here in the background. > > Hmm.. great, everyone will then think that this Unix stuff is all > command line boring stuff.. *grrr* To my mind, "boring" is doing the same motions over and over again because the "OS" you are stuck with is so lame that you can script what you're doing. > > It was a shame that they got rid of aoife and her dumb > terminals. The first > > exposure you now get to Nix is in third year where you are > presented with vi > > and told to get on with it !!!. > > 3rd year.. How's it look to your average student who's used Visual C++ > for 2 and a bit years and then they're asked to use an editor like vi? > Not good. (I'd still use Vi myself.. depending on the job, > kdevelop is a rather nice VC++ clone.) I would never force someone to learn vi as a fist editor. I know enough of vi to survive, and no more. Modal editing is a relic of vi's roots as a front-end for ex, a line editor in the spirit of ed. I've been able to work faster in Emacs then I could ever work in Visual Studio. The problem with Visual Studio is that the program text (which is the point of the exercise, no matter what the CASE people say) is caged within a panoply of palettes and widgets. A graphical view of your classes is nice, but when you have to reach for the mouse and navigate menus to add functions so that Visual Studio will notice them, it's a little ridiculous. Paul. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 16 14:36:49 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? References: Message-ID: <38D0F181.674ECEF3@tradesignals.com> Collins_Paul@emc.com wrote: > > > From: Donncha O Caoimh [mailto:donncha.ocaoimh@tradesignals.com] > > Shamage wrote: > > > Dullahan is still here in the background. > > > > Hmm.. great, everyone will then think that this Unix stuff is all > > command line boring stuff.. *grrr* > > To my mind, "boring" is doing the same motions over and over again because > the "OS" you are stuck with is so lame that you can script what you're > doing. I agree with you there, that's why I created a few command line perl scripts to do some of the boring work when I joined Tradesignals.com first. Cut down the time to update the site by almost half :) I'm refering to the perceived notion that the "dull" terminal type interface that telnet presents will both frighten off and raise a mental barrier for some students. If they had a Mandrake workstation to play with they have about 6 window managers to play with. Even with all that choice, I still use Window Maker.. *shrug* > > > > It was a shame that they got rid of aoife and her dumb > > terminals. The first > > I would never force someone to learn vi as a fist editor. I know enough of > vi to survive, and no more. Modal editing is a relic of vi's roots as a > front-end for ex, a line editor in the spirit of ed. hehe.. I used a clone of ed in first year. Did several projects in it too.. :) > > I've been able to work faster in Emacs then I could ever work in Visual > Studio. The problem with Visual Studio is that the program text (which is ooh.. editor wars approaching! I'll have to give Emacs a go one of these days. It's got a lot of features I want to explore. Donncha. From Collins_Paul at emc.com Thu Mar 16 15:13:20 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? Message-ID: > From: Donncha O Caoimh [mailto:donncha.ocaoimh@tradesignals.com] > with all that > choice, I still use Window Maker.. *shrug* I was using Window Maker for ages, but I gave up on it when I had to write a patch to get my preferred mouse bindings and behaviour. I now use Sawmill with my Blocks theme, which I find very comfortable. Sawmill also allows you to bind shell commands, so now I just hit M-Shift-F11 to bring up my PPP connection (finally, a use for function keys!). Uh, oh... Window manager wars approaching... ;-) > ooh.. editor wars approaching! I'll have to give Emacs a go > one of these > days. It's got a lot of features I want to explore. I'm finding the font-lock jolly handy for writing markup; the colours are nice and muted, and Emacs will fill paragraphs that are inside a pair of tags, like this:

Random junk, which will be filled.

I find that when I want to do something, I check to see if Emacs can do it, and oftentimes it can. Paul. From shamage at esatclear.ie Thu Mar 16 18:39:10 2000 From: shamage at esatclear.ie (shamage) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? References: <38D0C3BB.F651AD5C@tradesignals.com> <001401bf8f48$03f0e740$97a0be9d@cit.ie> Message-ID: <002901bf8f76$eef96d60$0300a8c0@EdmundRonayne> ----- Original Message ----- From: John O'Donovan To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? > > Well, there is at least one of us here from CIT and yes I know how the place > is full of NT boxes which is a shame. From what I know my lab here is one of > the few remaining labs which has any sort of Unix.We have3 Sun Workstations > and are putting together a new server at the moment which will be running > Solaris 8 x86. > > As for that lab of RS/6000's running AIX , they are gone, about 10 of those > machines were thrown in a skip just before Christmas. They somehow made > their way to my garage after that ;) > > Regards, > John. > > Drat, You dont have a skip outside your garrage they are going to any time soon :-) > *********************************************** > John O'Donovan B.Sc. > Astrophysics Research Laboratory, > Dept of Applied Physics and Instrumentation, > Cork Institute of Technology (CIT), > Bishopstown, > Cork, Eire. > Tel: +353 21 326297 > Fax:+353 21 345191 > Email: jodonovan@cit.ie > *********************************************** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donncha O Caoimh > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:21 AM > Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? > > > > Is anyone on the list currently studing in Cork IT? > > I was out there last night and looked into the labs: nothing but NT > > boxes everywhere. > > > > It honestly looks like UCC is going to be a better place to look for > > people if you're into any kinds of Unix development. (considering the > > use of Apache etc on websites, Unix dev. is ever more likely in the > > "hot" ecommerce sector) > > > > I might call out there today.. Some of the lecturers will still > > recognise me :) > > > > Donncha. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie > > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork > > > _______________________________________________ > Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork > From shamage at esatclear.ie Thu Mar 16 18:48:32 2000 From: shamage at esatclear.ie (shamage) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? References: <38D0C3BB.F651AD5C@tradesignals.com> <001701bf8f56$38ad1590$360cbe9d@cit.ie> <38D0E2F8.569B67F3@tradesignals.com> Message-ID: <002d01bf8f78$41072ce0$0300a8c0@EdmundRonayne> ----- Original Message ----- From: Donncha O Caoimh To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? > Shamage wrote: > > > > Im still in CIT for my sins. > > > > 'S a great college, despite using NT ;) > > > Dullahan is still here in the background. > > Hmm.. great, everyone will then think that this Unix stuff is all > command line boring stuff.. *grrr* > > > We have a solaris box now running as well + all the computers in the IT > > building dual boot into solaris with CDE. My self and about 5 other students > > use this I dont think anybody else knows about it. also all of the NT boxes > > have the Exceed X server installed > > X86 Solaris? That's supposed to be a dog on Intel hardware.. How long > have the dual-boots been active? I was out there last year meeting up > with some friends in 4th year and they never mentioned it. Solaris has been going since the start of this college year. Yes its a real dog on the hardware. The only main problem with them is we dont have the root passwords to get back to nt. and there is nothing like sudo set up for us to get the boxes back to NT. Many a time I cringe as I see students comming in and power cycling the machines go get back to what they call a real OS. So at the moment it will take you about half an hour to find a machine that will not fail on boot. One think I will say is the techs have finaly got things sorted after they discovered norton ghost. Now every fiew weeks when the labs get in a bad way they cone in and ghost the whole lot in one go. > > > > > It is a good job thoes AIX boxes are gone, Things were more trouble than > > anything. > > Well.. you gotta love CDE (NOT!) > > > It was a shame that they got rid of aoife and her dumb terminals. The first > > exposure you now get to Nix is in third year where you are presented with vi > > and told to get on with it !!!. > > 3rd year.. How's it look to your average student who's used Visual C++ > for 2 and a bit years and then they're asked to use an editor like vi? > Not good. (I'd still use Vi myself.. depending on the job, kdevelop is a > rather nice VC++ clone.) I even have vi for dos at home. It was becoming a real pain when wrighting X86 asm programs using dos edit. Every time I went to assemble the things I would get loads of errors then when I go to look at the code I would find :wq and :w scattered throught the fec^H^H^H code. > > > > > I must see if I can talk to some people to see if I can get a student run > > nix box up and running here. > > > > You should, I wanted to call up today, but I'm too busy right now, > hopefully next week I can meet a few lecturers for a coffee or something > towards the end of the week. > > > I presume the list would be ok in answering a fiew questions should I get > > the go ahead. > > > > No problem, might want to sub to the ILUG list too .. couple of more > bodies on that list than on this one! > > > Got to go now. Third year finals ATM > > Good luck! > > Donncha. > > _______________________________________________ > Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork > From jodonovan at instrument.cit.ie Thu Mar 16 18:58:25 2000 From: jodonovan at instrument.cit.ie (John O'Donovan) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Anyone here in the CIT? References: <38D0C3BB.F651AD5C@tradesignals.com> <001401bf8f48$03f0e740$97a0be9d@cit.ie> <002901bf8f76$eef96d60$0300a8c0@EdmundRonayne> Message-ID: <001501bf8f79$a07992c0$0401a8c0@studnet> > > As for that lab of RS/6000's running AIX , they are gone, about 10 of > those > > machines were thrown in a skip just before Christmas. They somehow made > > their way to my garage after that ;) > > > > Regards, > > John. > > > > > > Drat, You dont have a skip outside your garrage they are going to any time > soon :-) Actually, they are coming in quite handy at the moment holding up one side of my desk, 6 RS's stacked with an 8086 on top, just the perfect height :) From jlijhldfg at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 21:55:46 2000 From: jlijhldfg at yahoo.com (jlijhldfg@yahoo.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] "The Webs Largest Nude Celeb Photo Archive" Message-ID: <192.240305.485513@yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.linux.ie/pipermail/cork/attachments/20000320/9405ac00/attachment.htm From hodiuyg0er at yahoo.com Fri Mar 17 06:05:41 2000 From: hodiuyg0er at yahoo.com (hodiuyg0er@yahoo.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Are You Turned on by Lesbian Lovers? Message-ID: <774.349272.18852@yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.linux.ie/pipermail/cork/attachments/20000317/a79567bb/attachment.htm From donncha at tuatha.org Fri Mar 24 11:47:48 2000 From: donncha at tuatha.org (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] spam mail to the list Message-ID: <200003241147.LAA02086@lugh.tuatha.org> Annoying isn't it? I've modified the script that lists the last 10 messages in the list on the front page of http://cork.linux.ie/ to block out mails with the words "nude" and "lesbian" in them. This can only be a temporary fix though. I'm pretty sure it's possible to block non-subscribed email addresses from the list, buth then if you post a mail to the list from any other address other than the one you subscribed with there'll be a delay until I verify that it's a real email message. People think this is acceptable? Donncha. From ruairi.roddy at examiner.ie Fri Mar 24 11:52:27 2000 From: ruairi.roddy at examiner.ie (Ruairi Roddy) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] spam mail to the list In-Reply-To: <200003241147.LAA02086@lugh.tuatha.org> Message-ID: I think it is sane to not allow just *anybody* to post to a list ... I really hate getting spam via the list route. Of course, I may be disagreed with. I disagreed with the default reply-to thing too, and still think the decision taken on that is wrong. best, ruairi www.examiner.ie From donncha at linux.ie Fri Mar 24 13:10:26 2000 From: donncha at linux.ie (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Io - screenshot Message-ID: <38DB6942.CB02208A@linux.ie> I'm just uploading a screenshot of the latest version of Io. http://cork.linux.ie/projects/io/io-20000324.jpg It now sports an indexed view, by the first character in any of 3 keywords for a given article. The screenshot shows the indexed view: Viewing a message in Section A, which has two keywords, Apache and PHP. If you click on the PHP link in the main body of the message you get linked into the P section to the same message. Clicking on the "Topical" link brings you the same message but displayed in the traditional Io interface already on http://io.linux.ie/. I've also added a new UNSORTED category and subject making it easier to add new messages. The indexed view will be the default view. The list of sections, A,B,C etc also list the number of messages in each, and it's refreshed every ten minutes (by the PHP script, so if nobody is using it, it doesn't refresh..) If you enter two keywords with the same starting letter (ie. test1, test2) then they're put into the same entry in the db. The way it is now, if keywords are chosen carefully by users, it should provide a great crosslinked resource once it starts filling up. I still have the names of those interested in admining this beast, I'll be on to you next week! Donncha. From hgfuytr675 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 16:06:37 2000 From: hgfuytr675 at yahoo.com (hgfuytr675@yahoo.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] How about tonight? Message-ID: <116.808856.721754@yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.linux.ie/pipermail/cork/attachments/20000324/a71595ed/attachment.htm From peter at silmaril.ie Fri Mar 24 21:20:19 2000 From: peter at silmaril.ie (Peter Flynn) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] spam mail to the list In-Reply-To: <200003241147.LAA02086@lugh.tuatha.org> References: <200003241147.LAA02086@lugh.tuatha.org> Message-ID: <00032421290104.00498@pentacle> On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, you wrote: > Annoying isn't it? I was more annoyed by the unbelievable markup than by the content :-) I think the phrase I once used was "a random asemblage of tag-like objects masquerading as HTML"... > I'm pretty sure it's possible to block non-subscribed email addresses from the > list, buth then if you post a mail to the list from any other address other > than the one you subscribed with there'll be a delay until I verify that > it's a real email message. I'd be seriously worried about any list-serving software that _did_ allow people to post from anything except their subscribed address. Are you saying that this software may not allow you to block mail from non-subscribed addresses? > People think this is acceptable? Sadly, yes. I long since switched on the non-subscribed block on all the lists I run. It was the only way to keep out random spam. The latest proposal (only a proposal right now, maybe I mentioned it before) is an attachment slicer. This filter looks for the relevant headers and slices off the rest of message at the first sign of an attachment, before sending what's left to the list. This means that people who insist on sending plaintext messages in text/plain attachments instead of the body-part, will find themselves sending null mails... ///Peter From donncha at linux.ie Fri Mar 24 21:39:23 2000 From: donncha at linux.ie (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] member posting Message-ID: <38DBE08B.FC0C5F57@linux.ie> Damn, another spam. Only subscribers can post to cork@linux.ie now.. Unfortunate but necessary, I could also allow posts from anyone and approve each one but I can't guarantee timely approvals. Donncha. From bobheff at esatclear.ie Sat Mar 25 17:30:46 2000 From: bobheff at esatclear.ie (Bobby Heffernan) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] a little help needed Message-ID: <38DCF7C6.1CB72155@esatclear.ie> hey I'm trying to network my linux box and my NT box to share a net connection and also share files etc. I'm using Samba and I'm running Corel Linux on this particuar linux box (corel - I know, but my dad likes it, I've got rehat on my personal box, I swear) anyway - everything is working grand on the NT side (unbelievable - if after considerable effort) and I can access the Linux machine no problem from it I can't do this from the linux machine however when I go to the file manager and the "windows network" section (sounds like I'm talking about windows doesn't it?) it brings up a dialogue box that says: Incorrect password or unknown username for: Microsoft Windows Network Connect/: [WORKGROUP\root] Password: [ ] (the bits between the [ ]'s are input boxes as far as I know it shouldn't need a password. I running Samba client so I presume any password it needs would be stored on the NT machine does anybody know enough about this stuff to figure out what's wrong? anybody still using their free copy of corel linux? thanks guys bob From d_odonnabhain at vistech.ie Sat Mar 25 20:09:26 2000 From: d_odonnabhain at vistech.ie (Donnchadh =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3=20Donnabh=E1in?=) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] a little help needed References: <38DCF7C6.1CB72155@esatclear.ie> Message-ID: <38DD1CF6.1041FAD9@vistech.ie> Bobby Heffernan wrote: > Incorrect password or unknown username for: > Microsoft Windows Network > Connect/: [WORKGROUP\root] > Password: [ ] Have you tried replacing WORKGROUP\root with the domain of the NT machine and a user name in that domain and using the password for that domain? Donnchadh -- // Donnchadh ? Donnabh?in mailto:d_odonnabhain@vistech.ie // Vistech Software http://www.vistechsoftware.com // Inchvale House, Douglas West, Cork, Ireland // Ph. +353-21-918166 Fax +353-21-896142 From donncha at linux.ie Sun Mar 26 20:02:52 2000 From: donncha at linux.ie (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Io mini demo Message-ID: <38DE5EDC.FCA06C97@linux.ie> http://cork.linux.ie/projects/io/demo/ Acting on a suggestion from Kenn Humborg on Saturday I've uploaded a small demo of Io to the URL above. Here's how to use it: Load up b.html first, then click on the "Lilo Beeps at prompt" link. After looking around that for a minute, click on the "lilo" link inside the message section. This brings you to the L section where the message is also stored under the keyword "Lilo". With time, the L section will hold a lot more information on Lilo in other messages. (it'll hold info on other things too, ldconfig, libraries etc but I'll see about ordering messages by keyword (or user definable field even) so at least all the LILO messages will appear close to each other). s.html links to s28.html which is stored under the keywords "Samba,Security". The search box searches on Keywords. It's possible to add new messages through the browser, using up to 3 keywords. Administration at the moment is limited to accepting or rejecting messages. It's not possible to edit them yet. Donncha. From Collins_Paul at emc.com Mon Mar 27 08:51:40 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] member posting Message-ID: > From: Donncha O Caoimh [mailto:donncha@linux.ie] > > Damn, another spam. > > Only subscribers can post to cork@linux.ie now.. > Unfortunate but necessary, I could also allow posts from anyone and > approve each one but I can't guarantee timely approvals. Allowing subscriber-only posts is better than drowning in a deluge of spam. How about a feature allowing members to add "supplemental addresses" from which they can also post? Is there a mailing list package that can do this? Is it worth the bother? Paul. From Collins_Paul at emc.com Mon Mar 27 08:55:58 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] message delivery failures Message-ID: And another thing: why am I getting delivery failure messages when one of my posts is not delivered to a member? Isn't there a header to control this also? Paul. From j_white78 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 27 15:06:05 2000 From: j_white78 at hotmail.com (John White) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000327140605.9929.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, I've just got Redhat 6.2 and I',m just wondering if anyone else has upgraded to this version. I don't want to install it on the server here until I get some feedback from others. John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Mon Mar 27 16:23:27 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Redhat 6.2 References: <20000327140605.9929.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <38DF7CEF.A0933DBA@tradesignals.com> If they had the good sense to release it on Friday morning I'd have it by now, I'll have it by next Monday I suppose.. Donncha. PS. BeOS is being released in a few days too :) John White wrote: > > Hi, > > I've just got Redhat 6.2 and I',m just wondering if anyone else has upgraded > to this version. I don't want to install it on the server here until I get > some feedback from others. > From Collins_Paul at emc.com Mon Mar 27 16:34:25 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] (no subject) Message-ID: > From: John White [mailto:j_white78@hotmail.com] > I've just got Redhat 6.2 and I',m just wondering if anyone > else has upgraded > to this version. I don't want to install it on the server > here until I get > some feedback from others. I assume this is a release version you have and not a beta? www.redhat.com says that 6.2 for Intel is due on April 10th; I'm not sure if this refers to boxes or to availability via FTP. If your server is functioning perfectly well, there is almost certainly no need to upgrade the Linux installation you already have, unless it is very old and you are sure that it will be beneficial to do so. Components such as Samba, FTP and HTTP servers and even the kernel can be changed without disturbing the rest of the OS one jot. I was running RedHat 4.1 from late 1997 until Christmas 1999. I manually upgraded all the way, even doing the jump from libc 5 to glibc 2. I finally decided that I had accumulated enough cruft and installaed Mandrake 6.1, which will probably do me for another couple of years, unless I decide to jump to Debian 2.2 when it is released. Paul. From peter at silmaril.ie Mon Mar 27 21:34:27 2000 From: peter at silmaril.ie (Peter Flynn) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] member posting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00032721355200.00495@pentacle> On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, you wrote: [Paul] > How about a feature allowing members to add "supplemental addresses" from > which they can also post? Is there a mailing list package that can do this? Some list servers let you set a subscription to NOMAIL, so provided you can generate the required headers, you can subscribe as many times as you want from different addresses and set all but one of them to NOMAIL. ///Peter From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Tue Mar 28 08:52:43 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] member posting References: <00032721355200.00495@pentacle> Message-ID: <38E064CB.EA11599E@tradesignals.com> It is possible to create multiple subscribers and adjust who gets the mail. Follow the "mailing list" link on the http://cork.linux.ie/ for subscription info and when you get you password in the mail just adjust the radio buttons correctly. (I think) Donncha. Peter Flynn wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, you wrote: > [Paul] > > How about a feature allowing members to add "supplemental addresses" from > > which they can also post? 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Even source and .obj's so I can compile into an .exe? I am trying AEFDISK and Symantec GDISK is 'pants'... Cheers, J. _______________________________________________ Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork From Twomey_Mark at emc.com Wed Mar 29 13:04:24 2000 From: Twomey_Mark at emc.com (Twomey_Mark@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] OT:Digital Video Cameras Message-ID: Anyone know, Where you can buy Digital Video Cameras in Cork. I'd be looking for a camera that supports DV In as well as DV Out. Mark. From ronan at sysops.org Wed Mar 29 15:08:36 2000 From: ronan at sysops.org (Ronan Kirby) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] OT:Digital Video Cameras References: Message-ID: <38E20E64.C0DB4354@sysops.org> Twomey_Mark@emc.com wrote: > > Anyone know, > Where you can buy Digital Video Cameras in Cork. I'd be > looking for a camera that supports DV In as well as DV Out. > > Mark. The only good ones I have come across are in the Sony Centre on Patrick's St. Expensive enough though :o( From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Mar 30 13:03:20 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] meeting Message-ID: <38E34288.1A0D149B@tradesignals.com> Everyone on for the meeting tonight? Got two things I'm dying to talk about but you'll have to wait 'till tonight to hear about them :) I'll be wearing a wine tshirt if anyone is afraid they can't spot us! Metropole, 8:30pm Donncha. From emil at wh00p.ecad.org Fri Mar 31 09:53:24 2000 From: emil at wh00p.ecad.org (Emil Bjorsell) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] ntp server Message-ID: <20000331085323.A3606@caint.com> Does anyone know of a reliable Irish/UK ntp server that is upto date and updates properly when daylight savings time comes around? Thnx, -Emil -- IT Manager caint.com http://www.caint.com/ Phone: +353 86 8594416 FAX: +353 1 6335778 Voice Mail: +353 1 6335778 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.linux.ie/pipermail/cork/attachments/20000331/40705c74/attachment.pgp From Collins_Paul at emc.com Fri Mar 31 10:24:12 2000 From: Collins_Paul at emc.com (Collins_Paul@emc.com) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] ntp server Message-ID: > From: Emil Bjorsell [mailto:emil@wh00p.ecad.org] > Does anyone know of a reliable Irish/UK ntp server that is > upto date and updates properly when daylight savings time > comes around? To the best of my knowledge, NTP serves up GMT time values. Unix itself counts time internally in GMT, no matter where in the world you are. When an appplication wishes to present a time value to the user, it uses localtime(3) to convert it to local time according to the system's timezone information, and some other library function whose name I have forgotten to format it into a string. If your machine did not change to summer time correctly, it is likely that the timezone is set to "GMT" rather than "Europe/Dublin" or whatever. Paul. From emil at caint.com Fri Mar 31 13:02:45 2000 From: emil at caint.com (Emil Bjorsell) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] ntp server Message-ID: <20000331120146.A4055@caint.com> /me curses lack of on clug list Reply-To: > If your machine did not change to summer time correctly, it is likely that > the timezone is set to "GMT" rather than "Europe/Dublin" or whatever. That makes sense, my machine is set to GMT+00 Im still looking for a Irish/UK based NTP server tho. Anyone know of one? -Emil > > Paul. > > _______________________________________________ > Cork maillist - Cork@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/cork -- IT Manager caint.com http://www.caint.com/ Phone: +353 86 8594416 FAX: +353 1 6335778 Voice Mail: +353 1 6335778 From skelton at oceanfree.net Fri Mar 31 18:11:26 2000 From: skelton at oceanfree.net (Eamon Skelton) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:24 2006 Subject: [CLUG] ntp server In-Reply-To: <20000331120146.A4055@caint.com> Message-ID: On 31-Mar-2000 Emil Bjorsell wrote: > Im still looking for a Irish/UK based NTP server tho. Anyone know > of one? > > -Emil Try salmon.maths.tcd.ie Ski. -- Linux 2.2.12-20 This message was sent by XFMail From gram at eircom.net Sun Mar 5 13:24:23 2000 From: gram at eircom.net (Gordon Murray) Date: Wed Jul 5 18:15:25 2006 Subject: [CLUG] Windows NT Message-ID: <001001bf86a6$1ffb01a0$abb102d4@dad> Linux group, I heard that linux.ie has a utility for getting past Windows NT login. 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