From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Tue Feb 1 00:03:48 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Compiling and optimizing a Kernel In-Reply-To: <38961CDC.9553D6D1@arbgroup.com> Message-ID: Vince / Kevin, Can't you give the poor man a break and perhaps help him rather than discussing your domestic arrangements, fascinating as they no doubt are (BTW how's the commute from Pluto in the morning ?) :-) No, to help the beleagured would-be USB user : What distribution do you have installed on your machine ? If it's recent, then you should have a modular kernel and USB modules to hand. On this box which has SuSE 6.3 installed, I simply did modprobe usb_serial and the module loaded fine. However, I have no way of testing it - the only USB device I have is a Wingman Force and I'm not sure how much Linux driver support there is :-) A pertinent question, however, is what device you want to support - Linux has USB support but there are not may device drivers as yet - mice, some keyboards but not much else, I think. Does that get me the T shirt Kev ? Huh ? Huh ? Regards, Niall O Broin From emgaron at gmx.net Tue Feb 1 00:04:27 2000 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Programming the Parallelport Message-ID: <20000201000359.A3809@angua.indigo.ie> Hi folks, does anybody out there happen to know where I can find documentation about programming/accessing the parallel port under Linux? I'd like to experiment a bit with the port as 8bit I/O (should be possible with most modern, bidirectional parallel ports), but I'm not too certain how to actually access it (or is it as simple as writing to/reading from /dev/lp ?). Thanks in advance, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Ribbrock http://www.bigfoot.com/~kaytan ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Tue Feb 1 00:11:46 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Compiling and optimizing a Kernel In-Reply-To: <20000131235109.J8236@indigo.ie> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Sean wrote: > USB is being developed in the 2.3 development kernels, not supported > in the stable 2.2 kernels. > > However there is a back patch. > > You'll find it on http://www.suse.cz/development/usb-backport/ > Its for the 2.2.14 kernel. One big diff file (330923 bytes big). Hmm - as mentioned it's included in SuSE 6.3 which uses 2.2.13 and I see that there are some drivers in 2.2.10, but none in 2.2.1. These are the only kernel sources I have around, so somewhere between 2.2.2 and 2.2.10 usb support seems to have made its way into the stable kernel. And that 2.2.10 is NOT from SuSE - it was fresh from kernel.org or a mirror. > Theres quite a bit supported, see: > > http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ > I stand corrected - Sean's email arrived as I was composing my reply :-( Regards, Niall From sean at binky.net Tue Feb 1 00:21:07 2000 From: sean at binky.net (Sean) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Compiling and optimizing a Kernel In-Reply-To: ; from niall@mailtest.inpho.ie on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:05:30AM +0000 References: <20000131235109.J8236@indigo.ie> Message-ID: <20000201002053.L8236@indigo.ie> Niall wrote something: { On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Sean wrote: { { > USB is being developed in the 2.3 development kernels, not supported { > in the stable 2.2 kernels. { > { > However there is a back patch. { > { > You'll find it on http://www.suse.cz/development/usb-backport/ { > Its for the 2.2.14 kernel. One big diff file (330923 bytes big). { { Hmm - as mentioned it's included in SuSE 6.3 which uses 2.2.13 and I see { that there are some drivers in 2.2.10, but none in 2.2.1. These are the { only kernel sources I have around, so somewhere between 2.2.2 and 2.2.10 { usb support seems to have made its way into the stable kernel. And that { 2.2.10 is NOT from SuSE - it was fresh from kernel.org or a { mirror. Yup your right there, Linus started the ball off by putting some stuff into 2.2.7. Though now it's current home is 2.3.x. Hopefully we'll see it appear in the ever approaching 2.4 kernel. { { > Theres quite a bit supported, see: { > { > http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ { > { I stand corrected - Sean's email arrived as I was composing my reply :-( { Just ahead of yas. { { Regards, { { { Niall { { { Sean. . (doing a mad brush up of the kernel develop) From John_Gay at eur.3com.com Tue Feb 1 08:10:15 2000 From: John_Gay at eur.3com.com (John Gay) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More partitions for Linux? Message-ID: <80256878.002E2891.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Thanks for the more careful explanation. It's nice to know what is going on. I've already partitioned the new drive, so if I sym-link /opt to /usr/opt, I'll have a spare 4G partition lying around. Bummer! ; ) In retrospect, that would probably be a good idea. If I find that /opt does fill up, I can still move it later. Otherwise I'm sure I can find other uses for an extra 4G of space. My main concern is to get /var off of my / partition. It is killing me in upgrading my Debian system, since / is only 100M, and half of that is used. /usr is not full yet, about 1G of stuff so far, but I still need to install StarOffice, and I'm sure that will need quite a bit of space. On the positive side, I've made quite a bit of progress with my system so far. I swapped my 1200X1200 Lexmark for a Canon 240, and have actually got it printing! I flogged my USB scanner, and got the SCSI version. When I updated sane, it worked first time! Then when I set-up my CD-RW, the scanner quit working : (. Turned out that the CD-RW took over sg0, and the scanner was bumped to sg1. After I changed a few config files and fixed the permissions for sg1, my scanner is working again! And I can burn CD's. I especially like X CD Roast! The best thing about it is I DON'T have any Windows software to burn CD's with. This gives Linux a stronger argument with the wife!!! She still b*****s about the cheap printer, but I'm holding out for a good laser printer. Then I'll upgrade the colour one. I'm using WindowMaker, but not very effectively. I've also got lxdoom installed and have justified the ?15 I spent for the three CD Doom set I got. This beats Windows as well, since I can get 600X800 in Linux and the Windows version will only load one WAD file at a time, SO, I can either play Simpson's Doom with regular sound effects, or regular Doom II with Simpsons sound effects. Once I can get StarOffice installed, and introduce the family to it, I'll be able to wipe the Windows Partition. I'm also waiting for RoseGarden 3.0. I still find NoteWorthy Composer in Windows to be easier and more stable than RoseGarden 2.1. But thats about the only Windows Software I can't live without. And considering that the wife doesn't even use Windows, and my daughter is just as happy with Linux as Windows, Windows will have much less use in the house. I still need to get My daughters PC set-up for dual boot and networked up. I've also got her old 486 I want to set up for my ISP connection to fetch E-Mails and such during the cheap rate times. All of this is thanks to the help of all the great people on this list! Without your support, patience and advice, I'd have given up on Linux long ago! Great job, and keep up the good work! Cheers, John Gay From cmc at stardivision.de Tue Feb 1 08:30:17 2000 From: cmc at stardivision.de (Caolan McNamara) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software... In-Reply-To: <3895CF35.7F2FE65@suberic.net> References: <3895CF35.7F2FE65@suberic.net> Message-ID: <20000201.8303610@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 31.01.00, 19:06:45, kevin lyda wrote regarding [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software...: > i just read this, and note that abc news and slashdot are also covering > the story > http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/01/31/johansen.interview.idg/ind ex.html > considering the points he makes, in particular regarding the neccesity > of reverse engineering and free software, it seems rather important to > the linux community. considering also that it relates to corporate > rights vs. individual rights, the usa's ability to inflict it's laws on > other parts of the world, and general ideas regarding freedom, one > wonders where the irish media's coverage on this story is. in > particular considering that norway is a tad closer to ireland then it is > to those three media outlets... > i know some news people read this group, any ideas from them? Personally I am following this story with great interest. The Irish Times did cover this, but only in a direct dump of the reuters newsfeed directly into an empty slot in their publishing software. That story is at http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/finance/2000/0126/fin12.htm Some searching on EU legislation on Reverse Engineering gives us the European Commission's legal recommendation which should be law here now. This can be found at http://www.echo.lu/legal/en/ipr/software/software.html In particular http://www.echo.lu/legal/en/ipr/software/text.html#HD_NM_6, where reverse engineering is considered ok for certain reasons. i.e. You dont need the original manufacturers permission to hack the crap out of it, reverse engineer it to within an inch of its life if it is for the purpose of gathering "information necessary to achieve interoperability [which] has not previously been readily available" etc etc. It is of great importance that this be allowed, not least because its what I do for a job. Without this ability there cannot be any practical interoperability between the microsoft file formats or any other proprietary information exchange format or protocol and anything else. If this case sets a precedent then there would appear no particular reason that I and the other 9 or 10 of us here cannot be hauled off to court for reverse engineering the encryption format for office, the compression format for visual basic for applications, the glossary/autotext format for word and so on. I don't think that it is in the consumers best interests to have their data locked into a particular manufacturers data format. And the EU has always claimed to be big on their consumers rights and what is best for them. So we will wait and see. I really suspect that the Norwegian case will flop most horribly flat, the slashdot story linked to a translation of their parlimentary debate on the issue, and the minister in charge of whatever area it fell under, continually made reference to seeing what the EU position would be on this topic. And I have great faith that unless there is an unexpected wrinkle that you can do whatever you like with your own DVD. C. From cmc at stardivision.de Tue Feb 1 08:33:38 2000 From: cmc at stardivision.de (Caolan McNamara) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] XFS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000201.8335767@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 01.02.00, 00:20:56, Martin Donlon wrote regarding [ILUG] XFS: > Eck!. > Suddenly xfs has stopped work on me! It just sits their at startup and > does nothing. It leaves no information in the syslog whatsoever and now > I'm back with my un-true type fonts:( Any else suffered any xfs problems > like this? Is the xfs config set up to log to syslog, or to a seperate file using the error-file line in the config ? Maybe it is logging its problems to somewhere else. Otherwise start it manually off the command line and see if it is crashing or if sommat else wierd is going on. C. From kevin at suberic.net Tue Feb 1 09:20:26 2000 From: kevin at suberic.net (kevin lyda) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Compiling and optimizing a Kernel References: <389614C3.BA0B950@eircom.net> <38961501.D052E125@suberic.net> <20000131235109.J8236@indigo.ie> Message-ID: <3896A25F.9B17B1C9@suberic.net> Sean wrote: > USB is being developed in the 2.3 development kernels, not supported > in the stable 2.2 kernels. thanks! now where do you live so i can drop off the shirt? kevin -- kevin@suberic.net Nutrition Facts fork()'ed on 37058400 Puns: 100% RDA (% good puns: 0) From john.allen at oc2.com Tue Feb 1 09:38:29 2000 From: john.allen at oc2.com (John Allen) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] XFS References: Message-ID: <3896A9FB.58C1ABCD@oc2.com> Martin Donlon wrote: > Eck!. > Suddenly xfs has stopped work on me! It just sits their at startup and > does nothing. It leaves no information in the syslog whatsoever and now > I'm back with my un-true type fonts:( Any else suffered any xfs problems > like this? > Yes, and I must fix xfs. Check that you don't have any font files with a space in their name. Make sure that the fonts.dir file does not contain any fonts with a space in their name. > > Long live the confused, > Akawaka. > -- > Bother, said Pooh as he called in an air strike. > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- =============================================================================== John Allen, Email: john.allen@orbiscard.com Orbis Payment Technology Ltd, Phone: +353-1-2945111 3 Sandyford Park, Mobile: +353-86-2315986 Sandyford Industrial Estate, Fax: +353-1-2945119 Dublin 18. =============================================================================== From john.allen at oc2.com Tue Feb 1 09:43:32 2000 From: john.allen at oc2.com (John Allen) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] RedHat updates... References: Message-ID: <3896AB31.3A91E635@oc2.com> Kenn Humborg wrote: > > Ricardo Letosa writes: > > > Hi! > > > > > > I need to upgrade from Redhat 5.2 to 6.1. Does anyone > > know the steps > > > needed? Is it enough to download the updates in ftp.redhat.com? > > Thanks in > > > advance, > > > > I suggest you backup your data and install 6.1 from scratch. > > Don't install from scratch. Very early on during the install, > the Red Hat installer asks you if you want to install or > upgrade. Simply choose upgrade. > I'd recommend installing from scratch if at all possible, upgrades tend to leave lots of sh*te lying around, like when truetype fonts were moved from /usr/X11/... to /usr/share/fonts the upgrade leaves all your old truetype fonts in /usr/X11/.... > > Backing up is still a good idea, just in case... > > Kenn > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- =============================================================================== John Allen, Email: john.allen@orbiscard.com Orbis Payment Technology Ltd, Phone: +353-1-2945111 3 Sandyford Park, Mobile: +353-86-2315986 Sandyford Industrial Estate, Fax: +353-1-2945119 Dublin 18. =============================================================================== From smcgrath at maths.tcd.ie Tue Feb 1 10:05:06 2000 From: smcgrath at maths.tcd.ie (Sean McGrath) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Compiling and optimizing a Kernel In-Reply-To: <3896A25F.9B17B1C9@suberic.net>; from kevin@suberic.net on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 09:07:43AM +0000 References: <389614C3.BA0B950@eircom.net> <38961501.D052E125@suberic.net> <20000131235109.J8236@indigo.ie> <3896A25F.9B17B1C9@suberic.net> Message-ID: <20000201100502.A51764@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie> On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 09:07:43AM +0000, kevin lyda wrote: } Sean wrote: } > USB is being developed in the 2.3 development kernels, not supported } > in the stable 2.2 kernels. } } thanks! } } now where do you live so i can drop off the shirt? Dublin, whens the next ilug meet in trinity ? } } kevin Sean. . From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Tue Feb 1 10:29:36 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gnome File Manager References: Message-ID: <3896B46B.3A1937B5@tradesignals.com> Put "ftp://ftp.somehost.com/" in the URL location? I think that worked for me.. Donncha. Mark Page wrote: > > No response at all to my first e-mail last week. > > Does anybody out there know how to get Gnome's latest file manager > Midnight Commander (RH6.1) > to connect to an FTP site? > > All it does at the moment is return me to my home directory. From lbedford at wbtsystems.com Tue Feb 1 10:43:23 2000 From: lbedford at wbtsystems.com (Liam Bedford) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] USB and linux Message-ID: <21F0AC750696D311B8F000600856E86701969B@hopkins.dublin.wbtsystems.com> Just so people know... there's some good info and a HOW-TO which now includes the right mknod parameters at: http://www.linux-usb.org Older copies of the HOW-TO have the wrong device numbers, which threw me for ages until I found that site.. L. --- Liam Bedford 01-4170153 System Administrator WBT Systems, Block 2, Harcourt Ctr., Harcourt St., Dublin 2 From owen at linux.ie Tue Feb 1 10:53:15 2000 From: owen at linux.ie (Owen Kelly) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Reselling Rh for a Profit? Message-ID: <200002011053.KAA10372@lugh.tuatha.org> Theres a guy on eBid whos trying to sell 20 copies of RH6.1 for a fiver each ... is this in the spirit of all things Linuxy and free? -- Owen Kelly, owen@linux.ie on 02/01/2000 at 10:50:39 From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Tue Feb 1 11:03:58 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Reselling Rh for a Profit? References: <200002011053.KAA10372@lugh.tuatha.org> Message-ID: <3896BD95.E6EB6FE8@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > Theres a guy on eBid whos trying to sell 20 copies of RH6.1 for a fiver each ... is this in the > spirit of all things Linuxy and free? Depends... if they're original boxed copies of Redhat (which is highly unlikely at that price point) then there's no problem at all. Equally, if he just bought one copy of Redhat and ran off a few dozen CD-R's of it, then he can legally resell them *provided* he doesn't claim that they're Redhat originals : Redhat 6.1 is sold as a boxed set with support built into the price, and he cannot offer that nor obligate Redhat to support the 'Redhat' Linux that he's selling. I just took a quick dekko at the offer on ebid : he's offering the CD's *only*, with no mention of the boxed set or manuals, and he's claiming that there's email support available. This is incorrect and illegal, IMNSHO. He cannot offer that support for copies of Redhat. Vin From breatpro at MLE.CO.UK Tue Feb 1 11:07:51 2000 From: breatpro at MLE.CO.UK (Breathnach, Proinnsias(Dublin)) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Reselling Rh for a Profit? Message-ID: <200002011107.AA07731@LONSF24318.MLE.CO.UK> > I just took a quick dekko at the offer on ebid : he's offering the CD's > *only*, > with no mention of the boxed set or manuals, and he's claiming that > there's > email support available. This is incorrect and illegal, IMNSHO. He cannot > offer > that support for copies of Redhat. > Unless of course he's providing the support himself ?? That or he *could* be referring to all the local lugs ... Proinnsias From amk at broadcom.ie Tue Feb 1 11:12:39 2000 From: amk at broadcom.ie (Anton Mc Kee) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: Requet for info In-Reply-To: <200001311712.RAA18869@broadcom.ie> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000201111621.009454a0@mail.broadcom.ie> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok well the answers to the question I posted yesterday should anyone ever need to look it up is Open Document Management API Which allows users to submit info via word, lotus, and all the major word processors. However all the products I have seen are: A) Very expensive B) Don't run on Linux C) But do run on Netscape and Win Nt servers Bummer looks like it's a Nt solution or does it? Links: http://www.intradoc.com http://www.octagon.ie Later AJ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOJbAg6LZ0WY03a8vEQIjDACg+clsR5w1wCruS/v5+qxzxcscQF4An0cI sAo18THJPTYTD3WxRDyl9Y2J =oxjV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- *********************************************************** AJ Mc Kee "We all go down now and again" http://dezel.dhs.org PGPKey is at http://www.broadcom.ie/websidestory/contact.phtml *********************************************************** From owen at linux.ie Tue Feb 1 11:15:26 2000 From: owen at linux.ie (Owen Kelly) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: Reselling Rh for a profit? Message-ID: <200002011115.LAA11679@lugh.tuatha.org> Oh, not to worry, on querying the guy, he seems to be one of the good ones : Heres his response ... >The idea I had was to get as many linux >cd's to as many people as possible,  its is an unboxed version and it will >include support for the novice to get them up and running,    its not meant >as a money maker but as a way to get linux on as many PC's as possible,  I >will have a mailing list for questions etc and hopefully this will help non >unix people get to grips with it.  Its going pretty well at the moment and >I am hoping to get at least 20 - 40 people to join the fun. > >I am currently working with the people doing linuxuk.co.uk,  I have been >doing the sysadmin and DBA stuff,  we are currently developing the site in >php as a front end to a mysql database,  it is nearing completion and >should be pretty good. > >I have had a look around linux.ie and its not bad.  Good local news etc. -- Owen Kelly, owen@linux.ie on 02/01/2000 at 11:13:05 From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Tue Feb 1 11:19:46 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Reselling Rh for a Profit? References: <200002011107.AA07731@LONSF24318.MLE.CO.UK> Message-ID: <3896C14D.703BB713@arbgroup.com> "Breathnach, Proinnsias(Dublin)" wrote: > > > I just took a quick dekko at the offer on ebid : he's offering the CD's > > *only*, > > with no mention of the boxed set or manuals, and he's claiming that > > there's > > email support available. This is incorrect and illegal, IMNSHO. He cannot > > offer > > that support for copies of Redhat. > > > Unless of course he's providing the support himself ?? > That or he *could* be referring to all the local lugs ... > > I mailed him and asked : he says it's a single install CD with no manual, and it's designed to get people started with Linux... hmmm... He says he has a mailing list set up which people can ask questions on, and that's the support he's talking about. While this is a reasonable thing to do, he should make it very clear on the auction that it's not Redhat support provided, and it's not a full boxed set. Vin From colm at tuatha.org Tue Feb 1 11:20:16 2000 From: colm at tuatha.org (Colm Buckley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] JOB ADVERT : Sysadmin wanted. Message-ID: <200002011120.LAA09341@dagda.tuatha.org> Hey all - I'm looking for a junior system administrator with some Linux (Debian pref.) and Windows NT experience. Contact with Solaris and Oracle would also be an advantage. MSCE is undesireable but doesn't disqualify. Pay, stock options, etc. negotiable depending on experience. This is a pretty exciting opportunity, take it from me... Mail me with CV or experience summary, please. Colm -- Colm Buckley B.A. B.F. # colm@tuatha.org # whois cb3765 +353 87 2469146 # http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ Give a man a free hand and he'll run it all over you. From bobb at redbrick.dcu.ie Tue Feb 1 11:21:35 2000 From: bobb at redbrick.dcu.ie (Robert Crosbie) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More partitions for Linux? In-Reply-To: <80256877.007CE900.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com>; from John_Gay@eur.3com.com on Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 10:27:05PM +0000 References: <80256877.007CE900.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Message-ID: <20000201112058.A58200@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> John Gay hath declared on Monday the 31 day of January 2000 :-: > > hda1 2G for WindowsNT, untouched > hda2 500M for /, I've heard that StarOffice uses large /tmp files You could save yourslef a good deal of hastle by just creating a 400M /tmp and leave / alone > hda3 64M swap, this will have to move, but It's More than I've needed in most swap is always good to have... -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- If I had a third arm I'd be fine. - Orly on dealing with 3 men. From d_odonnabhain at vistech.ie Tue Feb 1 11:24:46 2000 From: d_odonnabhain at vistech.ie (Donnchadh =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3=20Donnabh=E1in?=) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Programming the Parallelport References: <20000201000359.A3809@angua.indigo.ie> Message-ID: <3896C230.4A201564@vistech.ie> Thomas Ribbrock wrote: > > Hi folks, > > does anybody out there happen to know where I can find documentation about > programming/accessing the parallel port under Linux? I'd like to experiment > a bit with the port as 8bit I/O (should be possible with most modern, > bidirectional parallel ports), but I'm not too certain how to actually > access it (or is it as simple as writing to/reading from /dev/lp ?). > /dev/lp? is the line printer device. You need to either access the ports directly (use ioperm to gain access - see ioperm(2)) or use ppdev - http://www.cyberelk.demon.co.uk/parport.html . See http://www.torque.net/linux-pp.html for information on drivers for existing parallel port devices. Donnchadh -- // Donnchadh O Donnabhain mailto:d_odonnabhain@vistech.ie // Vistech Software http://www.vistechsoftware.com // Inchvale House, Douglas West, Cork, Ireland // Ph. +353-21-918166 Fax +353-21-896142 From p.dempsey at faac.ie Tue Feb 1 11:26:08 2000 From: p.dempsey at faac.ie (Peter Dempsey) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] A couple of modem 'n' ISP questions Message-ID: <80256878.003BCE94.00@server.elab.ie> The following problem is not specific to any ISP, I've tried a few. It's also not specific to my modem, 'happened with my old 33.6 and my new winmodem. I set up my ISP connections with the PPP Configuration Tool that comes with RH6.1. When I dial my ISP with the associated PPP Dialler it always requires two attempts. /var/log/messages does not give any clues. I'd imagine it's some kind of time-out but I don't know where this is set. The modem init string seems fine, wvdial.conf does not appear to have anything to do with time-outs. The funny thing is, when I attempt to connect using the debug option in the PPP Dialler I get connected first time. It's frustrating to know that each hang-up click from the modem just cost me 12p. Another problem, when browsing with Netscape 4.7 I seem to get (Stalled) down on the status bar quite a lot when looking at some sites. I've only noticed this since I started using my winmodem (Lucent chipset). I would expect some CPU overhead in running such a modem, could this be part of the problem. I'm using my 11 year old PC, a P166MMX 48Mb, could it be time for another processor transplant? This problem is not ISP specific either. Any ideas? Have fun! Peter ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** From colm at tuatha.org Tue Feb 1 11:26:39 2000 From: colm at tuatha.org (Colm Buckley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] JOB ADVERT : Other things wanted... In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:20:15 GMT Message-ID: <200002011126.LAA09497@dagda.tuatha.org> I wrote: > I'm looking for a junior system administrator with some Linux (Debian > pref.) and Windows NT experience. [...] Oh, while I'm here... we're also looking for: * 6 Developers (MS Access, Java, Perl, PHP, SQL) * Technical Writer (Web and Database esp.) * Production Graphic Designer * DBA (Oracle required, SQL Server a plus) * WebMaster (IIS, Apache) * Services Manager CVs, experience summaries, requests for info. to me, please. Colm -- Colm Buckley B.A. B.F. # colm@tuatha.org # whois cb3765 +353 87 2469146 # http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. From colm at tuatha.org Tue Feb 1 11:31:46 2000 From: colm at tuatha.org (Colm Buckley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] JOB ADVERT[s] In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:32:57 GMT Message-ID: <200002011131.LAA09674@dagda.tuatha.org> Arg, sorry about the flood of emails, but I forgot to mention : all of these are based in Dublin city centre. Colm -- Colm Buckley B.A. B.F. # colm@tuatha.org colm.buckley@cs.tcd.ie Department of Computer Science # +353 87 2469146 # whois cb3765 Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland. # http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ Pardon my driving, I'm reloading. From jm at jmason.org Tue Feb 1 11:51:56 2000 From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software...) In-Reply-To: Message from Sean of "Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:27:41 GMT." <20000131222741.H8236@indigo.ie> Message-ID: <200002011143.LAA19315@callisto.netnoteinc.com> Sean said: > Europe as a whole has tended to be more conserative than the US in many > respects. This is clear in the technology front (other than adopting > some better protocols, gsm...). This conserativeness leads to a slower > adopting of newer technologies and products used in mainstream industry. > That said, it can be that the european is more liberal and flexible > than the US (re crypto). You might want to take a look at what happened with the Wassenaar arrangement before stating that. In a nutshell, Ireland (and many other countries) had perfectly open export regulations; the US globalised their own rules (in the form of Wassenaar) as part of a world-wide trade deal; now to export crypto from Ireland you need an export license. And now the US has less restrictive crypto export rules than Ireland does (although AFAIK it's easy enough to get a license granted here, once all the paperwork is done). --j. From grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie Tue Feb 1 11:54:45 2000 From: grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie (Colin Whittaker) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software...) In-Reply-To: <200002011143.LAA19315@callisto.netnoteinc.com>; from jm@jmason.org on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 11:43:04AM +0000 References: <200002011143.LAA19315@callisto.netnoteinc.com> Message-ID: <20000201115440.A97535@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Justin Mason stated the following on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 11:43:04AM +0000 : > > Sean said: > > > Europe as a whole has tended to be more conserative than the US in many > > respects. This is clear in the technology front (other than adopting > > some better protocols, gsm...). This conserativeness leads to a slower > > adopting of newer technologies and products used in mainstream industry. > > That said, it can be that the european is more liberal and flexible > > than the US (re crypto). > > You might want to take a look at what happened with the Wassenaar > arrangement before stating that. In a nutshell, Ireland (and many other > countries) had perfectly open export regulations; the US globalised their > own rules (in the form of Wassenaar) as part of a world-wide trade deal; > now to export crypto from Ireland you need an export license. > > And now the US has less restrictive crypto export rules than Ireland does > (although AFAIK it's easy enough to get a license granted here, once all > the paperwork is done). but under wassenaar any crypto with published source exempted. -- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | "Crystalline perfection is brittle" | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From paul at baltimore.ie Tue Feb 1 11:56:32 2000 From: paul at baltimore.ie (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: JOB ADVERT : Sysadmin wanted. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:20:15 GMT." Message-ID: <13663.949406156@cougar.baltimore.ie> On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:20:15 +0000 Colm Buckley wrote: | also be an advantage. MSCE is undesireable but doesn't disqualify. I have seen it said that an MCSE is a useful weapon _against_ the forces of brokenness. Paul. From vinayak_risbud at asiansonly.net Tue Feb 1 12:00:47 2000 From: vinayak_risbud at asiansonly.net (Vinayak Risbud) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Telnet Server for Linux Message-ID: <200002011200.EAA22827@mail13.bigmailbox.com> Hi Everybody, Can anybody tell me how to configure the Telnet Server in Linux ? How to Start Telnet Server in Linux ? I want to connect a Windows based (such as WinNT or Win95) Telnet Client, to Linux Telnet Server. Can any body tell me how to do it Thanks in advance Vinayak P Risbud ------------------------------------------------------------ asiansINC - Just Can't Get Enough! http://asiansinc.com Free Hosting! Get yours today -> http://asiansinc.com/hosting.shtml From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Tue Feb 1 12:02:14 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] GLX page, Q3 box Message-ID: <3896CA28.766BE3A0@tradesignals.com> http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net/ The above page has been updated with some more info. Looks nicer and well worth a look. BTW - has anyone who ordered Quake3 from Loki got their box yet? I'm still waiting.. Donncha. From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Tue Feb 1 12:08:01 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software ...) Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E8186@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > > And now the US has less restrictive crypto export rules > than Ireland does > > (although AFAIK it's easy enough to get a license granted > here, once all > > the paperwork is done). > > but under wassenaar any crypto with published source exempted. I don't think they had much choice considering the way the internet works. I'm sure they would have loved to have made all crypto regulated.... -paul. From grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie Tue Feb 1 12:09:47 2000 From: grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie (Colin Whittaker) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software ...) In-Reply-To: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E8186@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net>; from Paul.Jakma@compaq.com on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:07:54PM -0000 References: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E8186@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20000201120945.A5778@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Jakma, Paul stated the following on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:07:54PM -0000 : > > > And now the US has less restrictive crypto export rules > > than Ireland does > > > (although AFAIK it's easy enough to get a license granted > > here, once all > > > the paperwork is done). > > > > but under wassenaar any crypto with published source exempted. > > I don't think they had much choice considering the way the internet works. > I'm sure they would have loved to have made all crypto regulated.... So how many widely used algorithms dont have published source. Makes the rules a bit pointless, doesn't it. -- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | "Crystalline perfection is brittle" | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From lucks at luggage.indigo.ie Tue Feb 1 12:10:48 2000 From: lucks at luggage.indigo.ie (Sascha Lucky Luck) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Telnet Server for Linux In-Reply-To: <200002011200.EAA22827@mail13.bigmailbox.com>; from vinayak_risbud@asiansonly.net on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 04:00:14AM -0800 References: <200002011200.EAA22827@mail13.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <20000201122101.A32319@luggage.indigo.ie> Thus spoke Vinayak Risbud: > I want to connect a Windows based (such as WinNT or Win95) Telnet > Client, to Linux Telnet Server. Can any body tell me how to do No, you don't. Use SSH, telnet is way too insecure. the server executable on the Linux box is called sshd - the package should contain a script to start it at system startup (actually Linux distros come with SSH AFAIK). For the windows boxes you'll need an SSH client - there are a few around, I can't remember the names at the moment. Regards, s. From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Tue Feb 1 12:14:04 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Telnet Server for Linux References: <200002011200.EAA22827@mail13.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <3896CE07.8E9A4BE6@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > > Can anybody tell me how to configure the Telnet Server in Linux ? > > How to Start Telnet Server in Linux ? > > I want to connect a Windows based (such as WinNT or Win95) Telnet > Client, to Linux Telnet Server. Can any body tell me how to do > it > > Thanks in advance In general, there's a telnet server running by default on Linux installations. 'ps -aux|grep telnet' will show you either 'in.telnetd' or 'telnetd' running. If nothing shows up, then you don't have a server running. You can either put an entry for telnet in inetd.conf, which controls the services running on the machine and will automatically start a server when it detects a request on the telnet port, or else you can start a server yourself. 'man inetd' for details on configuring the automatic startup. It depends on what distribution and version of Linux you're running, can you supply more details? Vin From dburke at compsoc.com Tue Feb 1 12:14:18 2000 From: dburke at compsoc.com (Dave Burke) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Telnet Server for Linux In-Reply-To: <20000201122101.A32319@luggage.indigo.ie> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Sascha Lucky Luck allegedly said: > Thus spoke Vinayak Risbud: > > I want to connect a Windows based (such as WinNT or Win95) Telnet > > Client, to Linux Telnet Server. Can any body tell me how to do > > No, you don't. Use SSH, telnet is way too insecure. the server executable on the Linux box is called sshd - the package should contain a script to start it at system startup (actually Linux distros come with SSH AFAIK). > For the windows boxes you'll need an SSH client - there are a few around, I can't remember the names at the moment. > Check http://www.linux.ie/tutorials/ssh.html for more info on SSH. About the best windows ssh client seems to be putty. OT Question: Is it possible to get a windows SSH client that supports SSH2? Any client I've found can only handle SSH1. Dave From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Tue Feb 1 12:16:24 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software ...) Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E8187@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > So how many widely used algorithms dont have published source. > Makes the rules a bit pointless, doesn't it. > Quite a few I think. RSA for one. From paul at baltimore.ie Tue Feb 1 12:16:35 2000 From: paul at baltimore.ie (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: Telnet Server for Linux In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Feb 2000 12:21:01 GMT." Message-ID: <13885.949407367@cougar.baltimore.ie> On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:21:01 +0000 Sascha Lucky Luck wrote: | Thus spoke Vinayak Risbud: | > I want to connect a Windows based (such as WinNT or Win95) Telnet | > Client, to Linux Telnet Server. Can any body tell me how to do | No, you don't. Use SSH, telnet is way too insecure. the server | executable on the Linux box is called sshd - the package should | contain a script to start it at system startup (actually Linux distros | come with SSH AFAIK). For the windows boxes you'll need an SSH client | - there are a few around, I can't remember the names at the moment. TeraTermSSH is pretty good: http://www.zip.com.au/~roca/ttssh.html Paul From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Tue Feb 1 12:17:48 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software ...) In-Reply-To: <20000201120945.A5778@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>; from grimnar@redbrick.dcu.ie on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:09:45PM +0000 References: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E8186@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> <20000201120945.A5778@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <20000201121641.F3129@online.ie> On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:09:45PM +0000, Colin Whittaker mentioned: > > I don't think they had much choice considering the way the internet works. > > I'm sure they would have loved to have made all crypto regulated.... > So how many widely used algorithms dont have published source. > Makes the rules a bit pointless, doesn't it. Not quite. They don't want companies setting up saying "New crypto software - close source, new algorithm, great for criminals etc. that are hiding stuff from governments" etc. Kate -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Tue Feb 1 12:23:04 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Telnet Server for Linux Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E8188@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > OT Question: Is it possible to get a windows SSH client that supports > SSH2? Any client I've found can only handle SSH1. > iirc it's best to stick with SSH1. 2 has some non-opensource licensing problems, so ssh1 is still actively maintained. From lucks at luggage.indigo.ie Tue Feb 1 12:24:47 2000 From: lucks at luggage.indigo.ie (Sascha Lucky Luck) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Telnet Server for Linux In-Reply-To: ; from dburke@compsoc.com on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:14:02PM +0000 References: <20000201122101.A32319@luggage.indigo.ie> Message-ID: <20000201123500.B32319@luggage.indigo.ie> Thus spoke Dave Burke: > OT Question: Is it possible to get a windows SSH client that supports SSH2? Any client I've found can only handle SSH1. Hmm. There's SecureCRT 3.0 (Payware - but SSH2 isn't free either) s. From singer at redbrick.dcu.ie Tue Feb 1 12:30:50 2000 From: singer at redbrick.dcu.ie (Brian Scanlan ) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Telnet Server for Linux In-Reply-To: ; from dburke@compsoc.com on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:14:02PM +0000 References: <20000201122101.A32319@luggage.indigo.ie> Message-ID: <20000201123013.A11908@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:14:02PM +0000, Dave Burke wrote: > Check http://www.linux.ie/tutorials/ssh.html for more info on SSH. About > the best windows ssh client seems to be putty. > > OT Question: Is it possible to get a windows SSH client that supports > SSH2? Any client I've found can only handle SSH1. Why not use ssh2 in fallback/backwards compatability mode? (Essentially, it passes ssh1 connections over to a ssh1 daemon...) -- "We've uniformly rejected all letters and declined all discussion upon the question of when the present century ends, as it is one of the most absurd that can engage the public attention, and we are astonished to find it has been the subject of so much dispute, since it appears plain. The present century will not terminate till January 1, 1801, unless it can be made out that 99 are 100. It is a silly, childish discussion, and only exposes the want of brains of those who maintain a contrary opinion to that we have stated" - The Times, 26 December 1799 From jm at jmason.org Tue Feb 1 12:33:34 2000 From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software...) In-Reply-To: Message from Colin Whittaker of "Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:54:40 GMT." <20000201115440.A97535@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <200002011233.MAA19829@callisto.netnoteinc.com> Colin Whittaker said: > but under wassenaar any crypto with published source exempted. Oops -- yes, forgot that. But still, that means Irish companies who want to work on crypto, need export licenses, whereas before they did not. That is arguably a step back. Also: >So how many widely used algorithms dont have published source. >Makes the rules a bit pointless, doesn't it. It's not just the algorithms -- it's implementations as well. --j. From dburke at compsoc.com Tue Feb 1 12:35:02 2000 From: dburke at compsoc.com (Dave Burke) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Telnet Server for Linux In-Reply-To: <20000201123013.A11908@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Brian Scanlan allegedly said: > Why not use ssh2 in fallback/backwards compatability mode? > (Essentially, it passes ssh1 connections over to a ssh1 daemon...) > Yeah thats what I've got done at the moment and all the windows users get in fine using putty using ssh1, was just wondering if it was possible for them to get a SSH2 connection. Dave From paul at baltimore.ie Tue Feb 1 12:48:34 2000 From: paul at baltimore.ie (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software...) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Feb 2000 12:33:25 GMT." Message-ID: <14228.949409304@cougar.baltimore.ie> On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 12:33:25 +0000 jm@jmason.org (Justin Mason) wrote: | Colin Whittaker said: | > but under wassenaar any crypto with published source exempted. | Oops -- yes, forgot that. But still, that means Irish companies who want | to work on crypto, need export licenses, whereas before they did not. | That is arguably a step back. ICBW but ISTR it being for cases where the software was not available "off the shelf" (which includes mail-order). Paul From albertw at netsoc.ucd.ie Tue Feb 1 12:56:43 2000 From: albertw at netsoc.ucd.ie (Albert White (Sysadmin)) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Telnet Server for Linux In-Reply-To: <3896CE07.8E9A4BE6@arbgroup.com>; from vcunniff@arbgroup.com on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:13:59PM +0000 References: <200002011200.EAA22827@mail13.bigmailbox.com> <3896CE07.8E9A4BE6@arbgroup.com> Message-ID: <20000201125638.A2257@orca.ucd.ie> On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:13:59PM +0000, Vincent Cunniffe wrote: > 'ps -aux|grep telnet' will show you either 'in.telnetd' or 'telnetd' > running. If nothing shows up, then you don't have a server running. not necessarily.... If you have telnet run by inted as you suggest then the telnet daemon will be started when a connection is made to the telnet port. So ps -aux|grep -i telnet will show nothing if there is noone connected. The best way to check if telnet is running is 'netstat -a|grep telnet'. a line like tcp 0 0 *:telnet *:* LISTEN means telnet is running. Or of course just log into the machine and 'telnet 127.0.0.1' :) but see the other mails about ssh! Cheers Al From johno at tornado.ie Tue Feb 1 12:57:37 2000 From: johno at tornado.ie (Johno Sullivan) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software...) In-Reply-To: <14228.949409304@cougar.baltimore.ie> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Paul Mc Auley wrote: > >ICBW but ISTR it being for cases where the software was not available >"off the shelf" (which includes mail-order). > Paul > hmmm... which encryption algotithm are you generating your ETLAs with? ;) johno ps (extended three letter abbreviations) From kenn at bluetree.ie Tue Feb 1 13:00:27 2000 From: kenn at bluetree.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] RedHat updates... In-Reply-To: <3896AB31.3A91E635@oc2.com> Message-ID: > > > I suggest you backup your data and install 6.1 from scratch. > > > > Don't install from scratch. Very early on during the install, > > the Red Hat installer asks you if you want to install or > > upgrade. Simply choose upgrade. > > > > I'd recommend installing from scratch if at all possible, > upgrades tend to leave lots of sh*te lying around, like > when truetype fonts were moved from /usr/X11/... to /usr/share/fonts > the upgrade leaves all your old truetype fonts in /usr/X11/.... Hmm. I'll keep that in mind for my upcoming 5.2 -> 6.1 move. Shouldn't happen, if Redhat are maintaining the RPMs properly. When you upgrade an RPM, the previous version gets 'uninstalled' so any files that don't overlap with the newer one get deleted. Ah well. C'est la vie. Later, Kenn From kenn at bluetree.ie Tue Feb 1 13:07:45 2000 From: kenn at bluetree.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] RedHat updates... In-Reply-To: <3896AB31.3A91E635@oc2.com> Message-ID: > > > I suggest you backup your data and install 6.1 from scratch. > > > > Don't install from scratch. Very early on during the install, > > the Red Hat installer asks you if you want to install or > > upgrade. Simply choose upgrade. > > > > I'd recommend installing from scratch if at all possible, > upgrades tend to leave lots of sh*te lying around, like > when truetype fonts were moved from /usr/X11/... to /usr/share/fonts > the upgrade leaves all your old truetype fonts in /usr/X11/.... Hmm. I'll keep that in mind for my upcoming 5.2 -> 6.1 move. Shouldn't happen, if Redhat are maintaining the RPMs properly. When you upgrade an RPM, the previous version gets 'uninstalled' so any files that don't overlap with the newer one get deleted. Ah well. C'est la vie. Later, Kenn From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Tue Feb 1 13:31:11 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Telnet Server for Linux In-Reply-To: <20000201123013.A11908@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>; from singer@redbrick.dcu.ie on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:30:13PM +0000 References: <20000201122101.A32319@luggage.indigo.ie> <20000201123013.A11908@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <20000201133004.L3129@online.ie> On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:30:13PM +0000, Brian Scanlan mentioned: > On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 12:14:02PM +0000, Dave Burke wrote: > > Check http://www.linux.ie/tutorials/ssh.html for more info on SSH. About > > the best windows ssh client seems to be putty. > > OT Question: Is it possible to get a windows SSH client that supports > > SSH2? Any client I've found can only handle SSH1. > Why not use ssh2 in fallback/backwards compatability mode? > (Essentially, it passes ssh1 connections over to a ssh1 daemon...) Use Openssh. You know it makes sense. Kate -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Tue Feb 1 13:34:55 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Adaptec 1542 weirdness Message-ID: Those of you familiar with "old" PC hardware will know that the 1542 is really the benchmark ISA SCSI card i.e. if a SCSI device would work with a PC, it would work with a 1542. I've used a lot of them over the years, with DOS, various kinds of Windoze, Linux . . . and never had a problem until now. Hardware wise, the card would appear to be OK. I attached a drive with a DOS partition, booted from a DOS floppy and there was drive D (or maybe C) without needing any driver software i.e. just BIOS support. It's one of the later 1542s (CP, I think - it's not to hand) with a SCSI-2 external connector. Anyway, to get to the point - it will NOT work with Linux. I've tried SuSE 6.3, Mandrake 6.1, and Redhat 5.1 none of which can find the card when I say that I have a SCSI card. I've tried giving the appropriate module options but then it hangs (q.v.). If I build a kernel with 1542 support and boot from it, the card is found but then booting takes forever because the kernel times out looking for a device at each target ID when it normally skips over those IDs which have no devices. Any ideas would be welcome. It strikes me that it must be hardware because I've tried numerous kernel versions but the hardware works under DOS. Also, I've tried it in a couple of boxes so it's not a motherboard thing. Regards, Niall O Broin From mcmullin at eeng.dcu.ie Tue Feb 1 13:35:11 2000 From: mcmullin at eeng.dcu.ie (Barry McMullin) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Increase/Decrease font size on Navigator 4.7 Message-ID: Hi - I'm running Navigator 4.7 on RedHat 5.1, and I've had this annoying problem for some time that I'd like to get sorted out. The "Increase Font" and "Decrease Font" options on the View menu are greyed out; the keyboard shortcuts (Alt+[ and Alt+]) just generate a beep. I've scoured the Netscape site for any solution (or even report) of this issue, without success. Has anyone else experienced this? Any hints on how to fix it? Thanks, - Barry. From cmc at stardivision.de Tue Feb 1 14:13:39 2000 From: cmc at stardivision.de (Caolan McNamara) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software...) In-Reply-To: <20000201115440.A97535@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: <200002011143.LAA19315@callisto.netnoteinc.com> <20000201115440.A97535@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <20000201.14134843@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 01.02.00, 12:54:40, Colin Whittaker wrote regarding Re: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software...): > but under wassenaar any crypto with published source exempted. Under wassenaar, any country could opt out of part or all the agreement without penalty. Afterwards Ireland did stick the finger up at it in relation to at least some parts of the agreement, the key length stuff in particular I believe was completely blown away by provisions of the ecommerce related bills, though I don't have exact references for that, just a memory of some Irish Times financial article. C. From Padraig.Brady at compaq.com Tue Feb 1 14:29:12 2000 From: Padraig.Brady at compaq.com (Brady, Padraig) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Increase/Decrease font size on Navigator 4.7 Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E01C110E1@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Hi, First thing to check is in Netscape: Edit/Preferences/Apperance/fonts, and make sure the appropriate item is selected If the above doesn't work then you may need to do the following: http://home.powertech.no/rkaa/linux.html#fuzzy http://users.netsoc.ucd.ie/LDP/HOWTO/mini/FDU.html (look at 4.2 & 6.1) Regards, Padraig. > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry McMullin [mailto:mcmullin@eeng.dcu.ie] > > Hi - > > I'm running Navigator 4.7 on RedHat 5.1, and I've had this > annoying problem for some time that I'd like to get sorted out. > > The "Increase Font" and "Decrease Font" options on the View menu > are greyed out; the keyboard shortcuts (Alt+[ and Alt+]) just > generate a beep. > > I've scoured the Netscape site for any solution (or even report) > of this issue, without success. > > Has anyone else experienced this? Any hints on how to fix it? > > Thanks, > > - Barry. From mfallon at ie.oracle.com Tue Feb 1 14:42:15 2000 From: mfallon at ie.oracle.com (Mark Fallon) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Fonts in Xemacs Message-ID: <3896EBCE.73832F98@ie.oracle.com> Hi, Since we are talking about Fonts in Netscape and XFS, I have a question about fonts in XEmacs, I have not checked to see if the same issue is in Emacs. If you go to the Options/Font menu why are so many of the entries greyed-out? On my Linux box at home there is only a small handful available. On my SGI box in work, there are over half the entries greyed-out but still more options than at home. What exactly is XEmacs looking for in Fonts. Regards, Mark -- _______________________________________________________________ Mark Fallon E-mail : mfallon@ie.oracle.com Senior Software Engineer Phone : +353-1-8033207 Product Line Engineering Fax : +353-1-8033221 _______________________________________________________________ From jm at jmason.org Tue Feb 1 15:13:58 2000 From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] NS vs. Java on Redhat 6.1 Message-ID: <200002011514.PAA22607@callisto.netnoteinc.com> Found it! (while searching for summat else). --j. http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/gotchas/6.1/gotchas-6.1-6.html#ss6.10 : 6.10 Netscape crashes on pages containing Java pages Problem: Netscape keeps crashing when I reach a page with Java applets in it. I have also noticed that some of my applications do not display fonts correctly. Fix: There is a problem in one of the installation RPMs that causes many systems to have an incomplete list of fontpaths for X to use. To see if this is the problem you are facing, please use the command : chkfontpath --list You should get output that looks like the following: Current directories in font path: 1: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled 2: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled 3: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled 4: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc 5: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 6: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo You should then add the 75dpi scaled font to your path list using the command: chkfontpath --add /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Tue Feb 1 15:19:24 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] clustering, high availability and load balancing in Linux Message-ID: <3896F860.D35C0D9F@tradesignals.com> While looking for pages related to the above subject I cam across quite a few projects such as http://www.LinuxVirtualServer.org http://www.backhand.org/mod_backhand/ http://www.us.vergenet.net/linux/redundant_linux_paper/talk/html/ http://community.turbolinux.com/cluster/doc/faq/ http://www.bscsoft.com/wlman.html and a few more including Mosix at http://www.mosix.cs.huji.ac.il/ which seems to merge multiple machines into one, so if you ssh to a box and type "ps" the ps is executed over several machines! I'm more interested in the classical load balancing project of distributing the load among machines and I'd be very interested to hear from people who've implemented Linux solutions. Replies direct to me if you don't want to mail the list will be kept private. Donncha. From ken at tuatha.org Tue Feb 1 15:40:15 2000 From: ken at tuatha.org (ken@tuatha.org) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SuSE & Mandrake CDs @ Dublin Meeting Message-ID: <200002011540.PAA26862@lugh.tuatha.org> ok, I recieved a number of boxes of SuSE 6.1 & 6.2 plus some mandrake CDs from Chalkmore today. (Many thanks to Mark Maiden of Chalkmore for that!) As I won't be available to give them out either next week or the week after due to various commitments, but can bring them to the next Dublin Meeting (http://www.linux.ie/DublinMeetings.html) please email me at ken@tuatha.org _only_ before then so I'll know roughly how many to bring along. tafnf Ken Ken Guest root@linux.ie +353-868-252-141 technobrat.net Irish Linux Users' Group webmaster, www.linux.ie From ken at tuatha.org Tue Feb 1 15:45:01 2000 From: ken at tuatha.org (ken@tuatha.org) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SuSE CDs (addendum) Message-ID: <200002011544.PAA27158@lugh.tuatha.org> slight addendum: the SuSE CDs are boxed, that is to say that manuals, all 6 CDs and a boot floppy are included... Ken Guest root@linux.ie +353-868-252-141 technobrat.net Irish Linux Users' Group webmaster, www.linux.ie From kernel at esatclear.ie Tue Feb 1 16:56:26 2000 From: kernel at esatclear.ie (Ross Lynch) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script Message-ID: <3897101D.FC209508@esatclear.ie> Hey all, Myself and William Murphy have just spent a little while doin' a bit of a script similar to what johnmc was on about a few days ago. It's 100% UNfinished and we're not even sure if it works properly. Also, I'm sure many of you shell programming experts will have much to say... More later... Ross. Here's what we have so far: --------------------------- #!/bin/sh echo "" echo "1. IOL" echo "2. eircom" echo "3. Esat NoLimits" echo "" echo "Please chose one of the above: " read ISP_CHOICE if test $ISP_CHOICE != 3 then echo "Please enter your username: " read USERNAME echo "Please enter your password: " stty -echo read PASSWORD stty echo elif test $ISP_CHOICE = 3 then USERNAME=nolimits PASSWORD=nolimits fi case $ISP_CHOICE in 1) echo "Setting up IOL Connection..." LOGIN="ogin: $USERNAME ssword: $PASSWORD rotocol: ppp" NS1=194.125.2.241 NS2=194.125.2.242 PASSFILE=/etc/ppp/chatscript AUTH_TYPE=0 NUMBER=1891121121;; 2) echo "Setting up eircom Connection..." LOGIN="ternet $USERNAME '' $PASSWORD" NS1=159.134.237.6 NS2=159.134.248.17 PASSFILE=/etc/ppp/chatscript AUTH_TYPE=0 NUMBER=1891121121;; 3) LOGIN='' NS1=194.145.128.1 NS2=194.145.128.2 AUTH_TYPE=pap PASSFILE=/etc/ppp/AUTH_TYPE-secrets NUMBER=13332103001235;; esac echo " Linux Windows" echo " -------------------------" echo "1) ttyS0 com1" echo "2) ttyS1 com2" echo "3) ttyS2 com3" echo "4) ttyS3 com4" echo "Please choose the appropriate option: " read MODEM MODEM=`expr $MODEM - 1` echo "nameserver $NS1 namserver $NS2" >> /etc/resolv.conf echo "TIMEOUT 45 ABORT BUSY ABORT ERROR ABORT 'NO CARRIER' ABORT 'NO DIAL TONE' ABORT 'NO DIALTONE' '' ATZ OK ATDT$NUMBER CONNECT '' $LOGIN" > /etc/ppp/chatscript echo "modem crtscts defaultroute \`chat -v -f /etc/ppp/chatscript\` /dev/ttyS$MODEM" > /etc/ppp/options if test $AUTH_TYPE != 0 then echo "user $USERNAME" >> /etc/ppp/options echo "$USERNAME * $PASSWORD *" > /etc/ppp/$AUTH_TYPE-secrets fi chmod 700 $PASSFILE -- Ross Lynch 087 6548827 ross@excentric.com kernel@student.nuigalway.ie From Padraig.Brady at compaq.com Tue Feb 1 17:03:27 2000 From: Padraig.Brady at compaq.com (Brady, Padraig) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E01C110E2@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> IOL supports PAP From kenn at bluetree.ie Tue Feb 1 17:06:24 2000 From: kenn at bluetree.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script In-Reply-To: <3897101D.FC209508@esatclear.ie> Message-ID: > case $ISP_CHOICE in > 1) echo "Setting up IOL Connection..." > LOGIN="ogin: $USERNAME > ssword: $PASSWORD > rotocol: ppp" > NS1=194.125.2.241 > NS2=194.125.2.242 > PASSFILE=/etc/ppp/chatscript > AUTH_TYPE=0 > NUMBER=1891121121;; Nameservers are 194.125.2.240 and 192.125.2.241. You don't need a chat script anymore. Use /etc/ppp/pap-secrets instead (I think that's what it's called. I'll check later when I get home, if not corrected in the meantime.) Kenn From breatpro at MLE.CO.UK Tue Feb 1 17:12:40 2000 From: breatpro at MLE.CO.UK (Breathnach, Proinnsias(Dublin)) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script Message-ID: <200002011712.AA24348@LONSF24318.MLE.CO.UK> Not so much a correction, but since all the ISP's now support PAP or CHAP and since these (or at least PPPD) can automagically recognise/configure the nameservers for the connection, should the script not just setup the number to dial and the user/pass combos ... P > -----Original Message----- > > case $ISP_CHOICE in > > 1) echo "Setting up IOL Connection..." > > LOGIN="ogin: $USERNAME > > ssword: $PASSWORD > > rotocol: ppp" > > NS1=194.125.2.241 > > NS2=194.125.2.242 > > PASSFILE=/etc/ppp/chatscript > > AUTH_TYPE=0 > > NUMBER=1891121121;; > > Nameservers are 194.125.2.240 and 192.125.2.241. > > You don't need a chat script anymore. Use > /etc/ppp/pap-secrets instead (I think that's what > it's called. I'll check later when I get home, > if not corrected in the meantime.) > > Kenn > From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Tue Feb 1 17:22:01 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] X question Message-ID: <20000201172047.C882@online.ie> Seeing as I've a 32MB Video card, is there anything I can do to speed X up, by explicitly telling X or apps to cache everything ? Kate -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From johno at tornado.ie Tue Feb 1 17:25:28 2000 From: johno at tornado.ie (Johno Sullivan) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script In-Reply-To: <3897101D.FC209508@esatclear.ie> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Ross Lynch wrote: > 2) > echo "Setting up eircom Connection..." > LOGIN="ternet $USERNAME >'' $PASSWORD" > NS1=159.134.237.6 > NS2=159.134.248.17 > PASSFILE=/etc/ppp/chatscript > AUTH_TYPE=0 > NUMBER=1891121121;; is eircoms number 1891150150? johno ps thanks for writing this From michael.conry at ucd.ie Tue Feb 1 17:29:13 2000 From: michael.conry at ucd.ie (Michael Conry) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More partitions for Linux? (/opt) References: <200002010626.GAA27694@lugh.tuatha.org> Message-ID: <38971781.B61B2193@ucd.ie> With regard to /opt, my SuSE handbook gives some advice, which I will paraphrase here: the /opt partition is used by some (mostly commercial) programs to store their data. It is then recommended to make a partition /opt, or to make your root partition big enough to accommodate it. Some info is also given on disk usage in /opt by various packages (all figures in Mb): KDE 170 GNOME 100 htdig 5 Fortify 2 dochost 200 Wabu 10 Netscape 35 Arcad 350 Applixware 400 Eagle 18 Staroffice 150 Cyberscheduler Software 30 Cygnus Source Navigator 20 SNiFF+ 45 Insure++ 45 pep 18 Oracle 8 400 Sybase 170 virtuoso 55 These are presumably the packages in SuSE using /opt (Although I notice that Acrobat is not mentioned). Anyway, the total is 2173 Mb, but you are unlikely to use all of these packages. 4Gb seems excessive, 2 would probably be more than sufficient. Hope this info helps some mick John Gay wrote > > Thanks for the reply. The reasoning for /opt was, StarOffice wanted to install > into /opt rather than /usr. I thought this was strange, but the FHS was not very > particular on this. Also, Acrobat reader also installed itself into /opt, so I > figured I should leave some room for such large programmes. The reason I wanted > to take several steps, was so I could take my time and try to understand what I > was doing. I've grown-up with MSDOS and Windows. All this UNIX type stuff is new > to me. > > At the moment I have: > > hda 6G hard drive > hda1 2G for WindowsNT > hda2 100M for / > hda3 64M for swap > hda5 1G for /home > hda6 2G for /usr > > hdb 13G hard drive has been partitioned, but except for the two CD partitions, > is not being used yet. > > I want to change this to: > > hda1 2G for WindowsNT, untouched > hda2 500M for /, I've heard that StarOffice uses large /tmp files > hda3 64M swap, this will have to move, but It's More than I've needed in most > cases. > hda5 3.5G for /home > > hdb1 4G for /usr > hdb2 4G for /var > hdb3 4G for /opt > hdb5&6, 800M each for CD images. > > /opt should be rather easy, I don't think I've actually installed anything there > except Acrobat, and I can just re-install that after I change fstab to point to > it. > From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Tue Feb 1 17:32:34 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] X question Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E8191@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> X <....> -bs comes to mind - for 'backing store'. > Seeing as I've a 32MB Video card, is there anything I can do > to speed X > up, by explicitly telling X or apps to cache everything ? > > Kate > From paul at baltimore.ie Tue Feb 1 17:37:36 2000 From: paul at baltimore.ie (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: X question In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:20:47 GMT." Message-ID: <17936.949426601@cougar.baltimore.ie> On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:20:47 +0000 "John P. Looney" wrote: | Seeing as I've a 32MB Video card, is there anything I can do to speed X | up, by explicitly telling X or apps to cache everything ? While we're at it, does anybody know how to persuade XFree to map a 105 key keyboard like xmodmap would with the three spares as Meta-L Meta-R and Multi-Key by default? Paul From cmc at stardivision.de Tue Feb 1 17:42:10 2000 From: cmc at stardivision.de (Caolan McNamara) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: X question In-Reply-To: <17936.949426601@cougar.baltimore.ie> References: <17936.949426601@cougar.baltimore.ie> Message-ID: <20000201.17422204@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 01.02.00, 18:36:41, Paul Mc Auley wrote regarding [ILUG] Re: X question: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:20:47 +0000 > "John P. Looney" wrote: > | Seeing as I've a 32MB Video card, is there anything I can do to speed X > | up, by explicitly telling X or apps to cache everything ? > While we're at it, does anybody know how to persuade XFree to map a 105 key > keyboard like xmodmap would with the three spares as Meta-L Meta-R and > Multi-Key by default? > Paul Rather than muck around fiddling with it you could use xkeycaps, http://www.jwz.org and find your keyboard layout in it, and right click the keys you want to modify and it will generate a xmodmap thingy for you. C. From paul at baltimore.ie Tue Feb 1 17:55:39 2000 From: paul at baltimore.ie (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: X question In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:42:22 GMT." Message-ID: <18232.949427720@cougar.baltimore.ie> On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:42:22 GMT Caolan McNamara wrote: | On 01.02.00, 18:36:41, Paul Mc Auley wrote regarding | > While we're at it, does anybody know how to persuade XFree to map a | 105 key | > keyboard like xmodmap would with the three spares as Meta-L Meta-R and | > Multi-Key by default? Maybe I was unclear. I have xkeycaps and the resulting xmodmap. What I want to do is configure it from XF86Config for a system-wide config, rather than from .xsession for a user-specific one. Of course then I'll probably have to mangle the source to get fvwm2 to spot the keys as a modifier.... Paul. From kenn at bluetree.ie Tue Feb 1 18:25:14 2000 From: kenn at bluetree.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: X question In-Reply-To: <18232.949427720@cougar.baltimore.ie> Message-ID: > Maybe I was unclear. I have xkeycaps and the resulting xmodmap. > What I want to > do is configure it from XF86Config for a system-wide config, > rather than from > .xsession for a user-specific one. Of course then I'll probably > have to mangle > the source to get fvwm2 to spot the keys as a modifier.... Take a close look at /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc (snipped): sysmodmap=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/Xmodmap oldsysmodmap=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/.Xmodmap # merge in defaults and keymaps if [ -f $oldsysmodmap ]; then xmodmap $oldsysmodmap fi if [ -f $sysmodmap ]; then xmodmap $sysmodmap fi And since /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 is the same as /etc/X11, you simply have to create /etc/X11/xinit/Xmodmap. Later, Kenn From brendan at zen.org Tue Feb 1 18:31:58 2000 From: brendan at zen.org (Brendan Kehoe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:58 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Fonts in Xemacs In-Reply-To: <3896EBCE.73832F98@ie.oracle.com> References: <3896EBCE.73832F98@ie.oracle.com> Message-ID: <200002011831.SAA11397@mailhost.zen.org> > If you go to the Options/Font menu why are so many of the entries > greyed-out? I found that this was due to a problem with xemacs seeing scaled fonts, versus bitmap fonts. (I'm using xemacs 21.1 patch 7.) Putting (setq-default font-menu-ignore-scaled-fonts nil) ;t) in my .xemacs-options (or via the Options tree of choices, but I forget which one directly modifies this) appears to solve it. I also added (setq-default font-menu-this-frame-only-p t) for sanity's sake, tho you may choose differently. Hope this helps, B -- Brendan Kehoe Web page: http://www.zen.org/~brendan/ From ags at tinet.ie Tue Feb 1 19:26:51 2000 From: ags at tinet.ie (Alan Sobey) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script Message-ID: <015901bf6cea$74a9dee0$0201a8c0@dirtbag.gido> >Not so much a correction, but since all the ISP's now support PAP or CHAP >and since these (or at least PPPD) can automagically recognise/configure the >nameservers for the connection, should the script not just setup the number >to dial and the user/pass combos ... I agree here. In fact there's no reason (I don't think) why all the free ISPs can't be added to pap-secrets / chap-secrets to allow the user the choice of free-ISP at dial-time. This would require putting "user $USERNAME" into /etc/ppp/peers/options.ISPNAME rather than /etc/ppp/options and creating /etc/ppp/ppp-on-ISPNAME rather than /etc/ppp/ppp-on Btw, the esat number is 13321... not 133321... (You could also look to the Irish Internet Users list at http://www.jmason.org/iiu/ for feedback) Alan. From purple_monkey_dishwasher at ireland.com Tue Feb 1 19:33:35 2000 From: purple_monkey_dishwasher at ireland.com (purple monkey_dishwasher) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] gcc problem Message-ID: <28E371C60C8D3D1178E100807CFBE717@purple_monkey_dishwasher.ireland.com> hi i was running a make file in one window then i ran gcc in another and got the following message. gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1plus': no such file or directory i reinstalled gcc but gout the same message any solutions thanks john _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com From John_Gay at eur.3com.com Tue Feb 1 19:54:30 2000 From: John_Gay at eur.3com.com (John Gay) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More partitions for Linux? (/opt) Message-ID: <80256878.006EA7EA.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Thanks for the info RE: /opt. I agree that 4G is a bit OTT, but rather safe than sorry. I do have 13G to play with, so After careful consideration and a few questions to Debian, it seemed wise to divide my disk space more or less evenly between /usr, /var and /opt. This is overkill for all partitions, but will give me plenty of space for growth. The next purchase for me, I think, is for more memory. I think 19G of hard drive space should keep me going for quite some time. And now for something completely different: Now that I've got my CD-RW, and a colour printer that works, I am looking to start publishing software. Not that I want to turn away from Linux, but my first project is a C programming CD for Windows. I've got a great C compiler for Windows, and was looking to package it with some documentation and tutorials. I was thinking along the lines of a few html tutorials and some GPL'd source code for examples. For a different twist, I was going to start from a full programme in a top-down format rather than the usual bottom-up method. This way they will have a programme that actually does something to examine, rather than just small snippets of code that only high-light one or two functions. Now some of you may know that I'm not a programmer, but then again, neither was Bill Gates. I just want to put together the kind of C tutorial package that I've been desperately searching for myself. As I haven't found one, I'll just have to put it together myself. If I can sell a few as well, then at least that justifies the purchase of the CD-RW. I really don't want to bootleg music CD's, it kinda goes against my grain. Now, how does this fit the list? As this list has some good programmers on it, and I've seen a few examples of both code AND tutorials, I was hoping for a little assistance, guidance and moral support. I've found a few tutorials on the web, but several of them were incomplete, and others just seemed to miss the point. I was going to start with these and build on them. If anyone knows of any good tutorials, or could suggest some good GPL'd code that would make the basis of a tutorial, I would really appreciate the help. If anyone has actually written a good tutorial, or has some code that could high-light some training points, This would be worth a mention in the credits. Of course, all this might just turn out to be another one of my 'Great projects that never quite get off the ground', but if I can learn a bit more about C programming in the process, then at least that would be a start. Either way, it could be fun and will definitely be enlightening at any rate. Once again, thanks for all the help and support in the past and I'm sure there will be other times when you will come to my rescue again. Cheers, John Gay From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Tue Feb 1 20:14:35 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] courier imap Message-ID: <20000201201333.C1118@online.ie> Anyone here used the Courier IMAP server ? Kate -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From ross at excentric.com Tue Feb 1 23:02:58 2000 From: ross at excentric.com (Ross Lynch) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue Message-ID: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> Hey all, Just a few _basic_ questions about LISP & Prologue... Which is easier first off? Also, how are they in terms of easyness and comparibility with respect to C? And lastly, _is_ Linux the best environment for programming 'em in? (unbiased answers expected ;)). Thanks, Ross. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ross Lynch 087 6548827 ross@excentric.com kernel@student.nuigalway.ie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From John_Gay at eur.3com.com Tue Feb 1 23:49:03 2000 From: John_Gay at eur.3com.com (John Gay) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <80256879.00004EE3.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> I was checking the Linux Journal and found this! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/9586/). This is Learning Logic, an Algebra teaching system based around Linux, that is apparently being used in many schools across the U.S. I'm going to have a look at this as soon as I get a little time. My daughters school is getting computers, and I would like to see them changed over to Linux, but until I saw this, I couldn't really say what benefit Linux would provide for them. Maybe St Ollie's could have a look at this as well? Or maybe they've already got it. I'm going to have a look around and see if I can find other, related programmes for schools. This is just the boost Linux needs to really penetrate the school zone. Once our children are learning with Linux in schools, they will expect and demand Linux at home and at work! Cheers, John Gay From kenn at linux.ie Tue Feb 1 23:58:37 2000 From: kenn at linux.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SCSI woes Message-ID: <20000201235759.A584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> I was hoping to do a bit more experimenting before posting here, but it's getting late, all this plugging/unplugging, powering up/powering down and dismantling of boxes is keeping people awake... Mixed success with my latest retro-computing foray. The TK50Z tape drive seems to work fine. For some reason, the SCSI driver doesn't find it on boot, but a quick echo add-single-device 0 0 1 0 > /proc/scsi/scsi soon brings it to its senses. Then various mt commands seem to work fine. Must try reading/writing data tomorrow... Anyway, this suggests that the host adapter is pretty much OK (except for not spotting stuff on boot). But the disks are giving me grief. The disks live in a 2-disk cabinet (a BA42, if it means anything to you). If I disconnect both disks from the internal ribbon cable and connect one external connector to the PC and put a terminator on the other, Linux boots fine. So it doesn't look like a cabling problem. If I connect one (or both) of the disks and leave them powered off, the SCSI driver stalls during boot and after a few seconds throws up a load of diagnostics and repeats this every few seconds. There's no obvious 'timeout' or other error reason given. (I know... I should have written it down. THWACK!) If I power up the disk, the driver stalls completely on boot. No messages at all. The host adapter is an Adaptec ADP1505, the driver is the aha152x. I see that the driver hasn't been updated since 1996. The disks are RZ55s. Any words of wisdom from the SCSI veterans out there? Is this more or less likely to be a driver problem, a disk problem, or some wierd cabling problem? Thanks all, Kenn From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Wed Feb 2 00:02:24 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Ross Lynch wrote: > Just a few _basic_ questions about LISP & Prologue... > > Which is easier first off? Lisp, to my mind, without a shadow of a doubt, if you have any previous experience with procedural languages (and the question about C indicates that you have :-) ) It's a much bigger leap to a declarative language like Prolog than to Lisp's parentheses and prefix notation. > Also, how are they in terms of easyness and comparibility with respect to C? Again, as a procedural language, Lisp has a lot more in common with C than Prolog has, once you get a grip on the list as a datatype (and a wonderful datatype it is), > And lastly, _is_ Linux the best environment for programming 'em in? Well, Lisp machines are getting thin on the ground. Really, for both Lisp and Prolog you'll be more concerned with the language than the OS. I've never programmed in either under Linux, but a quick look at Freshmeat shows a GPL ANSI Common Lisp and something called CMUCL which looks interesting, and of course there's GNU Prolog and some others. > (unbiased answers expected ;)). But of course :-) If you learn Lisp, your head won't hurt as much and you'll be all setup for customising Emacs and sawmill. The choice seems clear to me :-) Regards, Niall O Broin P.S. Qualifications - once earned my living writing Lisp, and as an Emacs user, I keep in touch. Did a Prolog training course for a few days ten years ago, and found it very intellectually stimulating to try to think declaratively, but I've never touched it since :-) From kenn at linux.ie Wed Feb 2 00:03:28 2000 From: kenn at linux.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SCSI woes In-Reply-To: <20000201235759.A584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie>; from Kenn Humborg on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 11:57:59PM +0000 References: <20000201235759.A584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> Message-ID: <20000202000333.B584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 11:57:59PM +0000, Kenn Humborg wrote: > The host adapter is an Adaptec ADP1505, ...also known as AVA-1505 according to pnpdump: # Card 1: (serial identifier 04 74 3f c5 43 05 15 90 04) # Vendor Id ADP1505, Serial Number 1950336323, checksum 0x04. # Version 1.0, Vendor version 1.1 # ANSI string -->Adaptec AVA-1505AE <-- # # Logical device id ADP1505 # Device support I/O range check register # # Edit the entries below to uncomment out the configuration required. # Note that only the first value of any range is given, this may be changed if required # Don't forget to uncomment the activate (ACT Y) when happy (CONFIGURE ADP1505/1950336323 (LD 0 # ANSI string -->SCSI Controller<-- # Compatible device id ADP1530 Later, Kenn From kenn at linux.ie Wed Feb 2 00:11:00 2000 From: kenn at linux.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com>; from Ross Lynch on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 12:10:37AM +0000 References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> Message-ID: <20000202001102.C584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 12:10:37AM +0000, Ross Lynch wrote: > Hey all, > > Just a few _basic_ questions about LISP & Prologue... > > Which is easier first off? Also, how are they in terms of easyness and > comparibility with respect to C? And lastly, _is_ Linux the best > environment for programming 'em in? (unbiased answers expected ;)). According to some LISP is the language of the gods. It's simple, powerful and very easy to write compilers/interpreters for. Prolog (no -ue at the end) is a different beast completely. It requires you to turn your brain inside out before you start programming it. It's an inference language. You tell it stuff (like John is big, Mary is small, Pat is small). Then you ask if it a statement is true (is John small?), or what values satisfy a statement (Who is small?). Or something like that... I read a book on it once years ago and a friend of mine had a final year project to write a symbolic calculus package (like Maple/Mathcad/Mathematica) in it. He said it drove him mad! As for programming environments, I imagine that you don't really get IDEs for these guys (or if you do, you probably pay big wanda). They are interpreted, so you'd spend most of your time either playing around in the interpreted environment, or editing files to feed into the interpreter. In that case, you just need a decent text editor (unbiased answers _not_ expected...). Later, Kenn From albertw at netsoc.ucd.ie Wed Feb 2 00:36:16 2000 From: albertw at netsoc.ucd.ie (Albert White (Sysadmin)) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: ; from niall@mailtest.inpho.ie on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 11:56:00PM +0000 References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> Message-ID: <20000202003614.A23959@karma.netsoc.ucd.ie> > > Also, how are they in terms of easyness and comparibility with respect to C? C and LISP are two completely different ways of approaching a problem. I didnt f ind Lisp to hard to learn once I got the idea of lists and everything being a fu nction into my head. e.g. here is code to get the factorial of a number: in lisp: (defun fact (n) (if (= n 1) 1 (* (fact (- n 1)) n))) in C: int factorial(int n){ int result=1; while (n > 0) { result=result*n; n--; } } There are some similarities between the two, but after learning lisp you will fi nd that your C programs contain lots of functions calling other functions callin g functions for several months! Ive never used Lisp in Linux, when I had to use it I used Allegro in windows - http://www.franz.com/ though looking at that website there is a Linux and BSD trial edition... dunno anything about prolog.. > But of course :-) If you learn Lisp, your head won't hurt as much and > you'll be all setup for customising Emacs and sawmill. The choice seems > clear to me :-) If you learn lisp you will be able to customise Emacs as a sawmill! M-x lumberjack :) (ok Ill shut up and go to bed now..) al From plop at redbrick.dcu.ie Wed Feb 2 05:43:29 2000 From: plop at redbrick.dcu.ie (Smelly Pooh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com>; from ross@excentric.com on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 12:10:37AM +0000 References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> Message-ID: <20000202054327.A44928@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> In reply to Ross Lynch's flatulent wordings, > Hey all, > > Just a few _basic_ questions about LISP & Prologue... > > Which is easier first off? Lisp by a long shot, it is made to be a general purpose language whereas Prolog is limited to logic programming > Also, how are they in terms of easyness and comparibility with respect to C? Prolog is nothing like C, one defines logical rules at the start of a prolog program and then use predicates to test values with those rules. Lisp is like C in that their both procedural languages, however Lisp is a functional language (functional language not meaning a language that uses a lot of functions, but a language that treats functions as values, relies on very few side effects such as variable assignment etc., check the functional languages FAQ at www.faqs.org/faqs/func-lang-faq/index.html) whereas C is an imperative language, both demand different programming styles but do the same things. > And lastly, _is_ Linux the best > environment for programming 'em in? (unbiased answers expected ;)). Unix and its clones and derivatives to be fairer. There are 2 common dialects of Lisp, they would be common Lisp which is supposedly the most common (although there are only 3 free Unix interpretters for it, GCL, CMUCL and another I can't remember) and there's Scheme which is the dialect I would recommend, it's much smaller and cleaner than Common Lisp (CL was defined by an ANSI committee and has a lot of useless old crud to keep venders happy, it's also nowhere near as fun or cleverly put together as Scheme). There are also more Scheme compilers and interpretters than you can shake a finger at, double digits free on unix alone, about 7 or 8 that run on Java on top of that (incidentally I'll be adding a 9th for my 4th year project). If you're looking for an interpretter you'd probably want to try out GUILE (GNU's Ubiquitous Intelligent Language for Extension), the documentation is very skimpy but the GNU project intends to use it for everything requiring extensions including from what I hear, emacs 21 (no affiliation with xemacs 21). Check out Rscheme if you want an object oriented interpretter with decent documentation, Bigloo for a handy compiler, Stalin if you want an optimized compiler (supposedly produces code that comes close to hand coded C in speed), scsh for a scripting version of Scheme, there are loads loads more, you could find them a lot of them at freshmeat.net, just search for scheme. People have mentioned that stuff like emacs and sawmill use Lisp, I'd also point out that Gimp Script-FU uses SIOD embedded Scheme and AutoCad uses AutoLisp. If you actually want to learn Scheme have a quick look at http://www.cs.rice.edu/~dorai/t-y-scheme/t-y-scheme.html http://www.scheme.com/tspl2d/ From plop at redbrick.dcu.ie Wed Feb 2 06:01:25 2000 From: plop at redbrick.dcu.ie (Smelly Pooh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: <20000202001102.C584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie>; from kenn@linux.ie on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 12:11:02AM +0000 References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> <20000202001102.C584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> Message-ID: <20000202060123.B44928@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> In reply to Kenn Humborg's flatulent wordings, > On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 12:10:37AM +0000, Ross Lynch wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Just a few _basic_ questions about LISP & Prologue... > > > > Which is easier first off? Also, how are they in terms of easyness and > > comparibility with respect to C? And lastly, _is_ Linux the best > > environment for programming 'em in? (unbiased answers expected ;)). > > According to some LISP is the language of the gods. It's simple, > powerful and very easy to write compilers/interpreters for. This is true, its hard to explain but Lisp is the most syntactically beautiful and consistent language there is (it even affects my typing style, most of my sentences contain a section in parenthesis). The brackets also make code look exactly like a list (the basic aggregate data type in Lisp) so you can treat code as data and vice versa, this also leads on to why Lisp makes a great Lisp interpretter, because when you read in Lisp code, you read it in as a list, and you use Lisp list operations to parse the code, and interpretting it is fairly simple because everything is based on a very few ideas, all variables are pointers, all operations are either procedures or special forms (all basic algebra operations for example are actually procedures). Also because the syntax for Lisp is so consistent the Macro system for Lisp is miles more advanced than any other language around, Lisp's equivalent of a C 'switch' statement is a macro using recursive ifs, so are the AND and OR operators. Local variables and scope are macros of a special form called lambda used to generate anonymous procedures, it's mad I tell you. Check out http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/wilson/schintro/schintro_toc.html , they teach Scheme and cover bits on how to implement a Scheme interpretter/compiler using Scheme, a lot of Scheme books seem to like to teach Scheme this way. > Or something like that... I read a book on it once years ago > and a friend of mine had a final year project to write a > symbolic calculus package (like Maple/Mathcad/Mathematica) > in it. He said it drove him mad! Yeah, in DCU Computer Linguistics people have to do it for most of their degree, it's the most complained about language I know of here (Cobol a distant second) > As for programming environments, I imagine that you don't really > get IDEs for these guys (or if you do, you probably pay big > wanda). There are a few, DrScheme (free and available on Unix and Windows) I hear has an IDE, Harlequin (they also do a development environment for Dylan, a modern Lisp derivative with Algol/Pascal like syntax, and a very good language it is too) do an IDE for Common Lisp, I know there are others, you'd be very surprised at how much Lisp is around. > They are interpreted, so you'd spend most of your time > either playing around in the interpreted environment, or > editing files to feed into the interpreter. Common misconception with regards to Lisp, there are loads of compilers (full compilers, lisp to c compilers and bytecode compilers) although I would consider interpretting as the norm. From plop at redbrick.dcu.ie Wed Feb 2 06:39:11 2000 From: plop at redbrick.dcu.ie (Smelly Pooh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: <20000202003614.A23959@karma.netsoc.ucd.ie>; from albertw@netsoc.ucd.ie on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 12:36:14AM +0000 References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> <20000202003614.A23959@karma.netsoc.ucd.ie> Message-ID: <20000202063909.C44928@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> In reply to Albert White (Sysadmin)'s flatulent wordings, > > > Also, how are they in terms of easyness and comparibility with respect to C? > > C and LISP are two completely different ways of approaching a problem. I didnt f > ind Lisp to hard to learn once I got the idea of lists and everything being a fu > nction into my head. > e.g. here is code to get the factorial of a number: > in lisp: > (defun fact (n) > (if (= n 1) > 1 > (* (fact (- n 1)) n))) in C: int factorial(int n) { if (n==1) return 1; else return n * factorial(n-1); } > in C: > int factorial(int n){ > int result=1; > while (n > 0) { > result=result*n; > n--; > } > } in Lisp: (defun (factorial n) (do ((result 1 (* result j)) (j n (- j 1))) ((<= j 0) result))) factorial can be programmed recursively or iteratively in either language (Paradoxically, Lisp's do, which is an interation construct like a for loop, is actually a macro defined in terms of recursion using Lisp's lambda special form) > There are some similarities between the two, but after learning lisp you > will find that your C programs contain lots of functions calling other > functions calling functions for several months! Ive never used Lisp in > Linux, when I had to use it I used Allegro in windows - Well, what you're highlighting there is the difference between the functional and imperative style of programming. Functional languages like Lisp prefer repetition through recursion, imperative languages like C prefer it through iteration, of course there's nothing preventing programming in either style in either language although Lisp programmers will shun you and C programmers won't understand you. There are a lot of programming concepts in Lisp that you can never really do in C such as Lisp macros, higher order functions and continuations (a continuation is a piece of code's idea of all the other code that surrounds it, in Lisp, and especially Scheme, you can encapsulate this as a procedure, save it, call it in a different context or at a different time, whatever you want, it's an extremely flexible concept for handling flow of control and you could do things like named breaks (like in PERL), exception handling and even things like preemptive multitasking using it). Lisp basically covers a lot of concepts that you wouldn't even know about let along think about if you only programmed in C From poneil at hushmail.com Wed Feb 2 07:33:32 2000 From: poneil at hushmail.com (poneil@hushmail.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] scheme Message-ID: <200002020731.XAA06294@mail2.hushmail.com> Since the topic is on scheme, I played with it briefly but how do I make use of it. Can I compile a function into something that will run by itself. I can't recall a game I downloaded off linuxapps.com once but it had loads of scheme files, *.scm that the game used, I suspect the game was written in C or something else, how do they call those scm files into there program? IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are not using HushMail, this message could have been read easily by the many people who have access to your open personal email messages. Get your FREE, totally secure email address at http://www.hushmail.com. From mcmullin at eeng.dcu.ie Wed Feb 2 08:15:56 2000 From: mcmullin at eeng.dcu.ie (Barry McMullin) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Increase/Decrease font size on Navigator 4.7 In-Reply-To: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E01C110E1@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: Hey Padraig - thanks for the suggestions... On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Brady, Padraig wrote: > First thing to check is in Netscape: > > Edit/Preferences/Apperance/fonts, and make sure the appropriate item > is selected Can you be more specific? I have tweaked everything (?) here without any apparent effect. Which "appropriate item" had you in mind? - Barry. From akawaka at csn.ul.ie Wed Feb 2 08:46:36 2000 From: akawaka at csn.ul.ie (Martin Donlon) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] XFS In-Reply-To: <3896A9FB.58C1ABCD@oc2.com> Message-ID: At first that didn't seem to be the problem so I went to old "Upgrade-to-Repair" route. Got a nice simple RPM for XFS 3.3.6-8 and installed it. It didn't seem to think that my font.dir files were right either and it corrected them. Beyond that, I'm to tired to care. Long live the confused, Akawaka. -- Bother! said Pooh, and twitted him. On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, John Allen wrote: > Martin Donlon wrote: > > > Eck!. > > Suddenly xfs has stopped work on me! It just sits their at startup and > > does nothing. It leaves no information in the syslog whatsoever and now > > I'm back with my un-true type fonts:( Any else suffered any xfs problems > > like this? > > > > Yes, and I must fix xfs. > > Check that you don't have any font files with a space in their name. > Make sure that the fonts.dir file does not contain any fonts with a space > in their name. > > > > > Long live the confused, > > Akawaka. > > -- > > Bother, said Pooh as he called in an air strike. > > > > -- > > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > > -- > =============================================================================== > John Allen, Email: john.allen@orbiscard.com > Orbis Payment Technology Ltd, Phone: +353-1-2945111 > 3 Sandyford Park, Mobile: +353-86-2315986 > Sandyford Industrial Estate, Fax: +353-1-2945119 > Dublin 18. > =============================================================================== > > > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > From amk at broadcom.ie Wed Feb 2 09:00:35 2000 From: amk at broadcom.ie (Anton Mc Kee) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Sybase Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000202090424.0093fea0@mail.broadcom.ie> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, Does anyone know if you can and how you could dump data from a sybase database into a text file in the same way you can with MySQL. Thanks Anton -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOJfzFqLZ0WY03a8vEQIk2QCgs1YGw4XOFWGrr6oW9vx4OUq6PLEAnijO xLiDeBuKn7wA3bxgTvW9ZTN1 =rtbX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- *********************************************************** AJ Mc Kee "We all go down now and again" http://dezel.dhs.org PGPKey is at http://www.broadcom.ie/websidestory/contact.phtml *********************************************************** From john.allen at oc2.com Wed Feb 2 09:00:58 2000 From: john.allen at oc2.com (John Allen) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script References: Message-ID: <3897F2AB.5902B08F@oc2.com> Kenn Humborg wrote: > > case $ISP_CHOICE in > > 1) echo "Setting up IOL Connection..." > > LOGIN="ogin: $USERNAME > > ssword: $PASSWORD > > rotocol: ppp" > > NS1=194.125.2.241 > > NS2=194.125.2.242 > > PASSFILE=/etc/ppp/chatscript > > AUTH_TYPE=0 > > NUMBER=1891121121;; > > Nameservers are 194.125.2.240 and 192.125.2.241. > DNS services can be setup on your Linux box so that you won't be required to specify nameservers for a particular ISP, instead you act as a caching nameserver and head directly to the root nameservers (root.hints). Saves your ass when you ISP's nameserver is acting up. > > You don't need a chat script anymore. Use > /etc/ppp/pap-secrets instead (I think that's what > it's called. I'll check later when I get home, > if not corrected in the meantime.) > > Kenn > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- =============================================================================== John Allen, Email: john.allen@orbiscard.com Orbis Payment Technology Ltd, Phone: +353-1-2945111 3 Sandyford Park, Mobile: +353-86-2315986 Sandyford Industrial Estate, Fax: +353-1-2945119 Dublin 18. =============================================================================== From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Wed Feb 2 09:07:56 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SCSI woes References: <20000201235759.A584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> Message-ID: <3897F3E6.F8001DC4@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > I was hoping to do a bit more experimenting before posting > here, but it's getting late, all this plugging/unplugging, > powering up/powering down and dismantling of boxes is > keeping people awake... > If I power up the disk, the driver stalls completely > on boot. No messages at all. > > The host adapter is an Adaptec ADP1505, the driver is > the aha152x. I see that the driver hasn't been updated > since 1996. The disks are RZ55s. > > Any words of wisdom from the SCSI veterans out there? > Is this more or less likely to be a driver problem, > a disk problem, or some wierd cabling problem? Well, I have the exact same adapter using the aha152x driver, running under 2.2.12-20 (stock RH6.1 install). It's connected to 5 SCSI CD drives in an external box, on a 7-plug 3-foot 50-pin SCSI cable with a Centronics adapter on the outside of the SCSI enclosure. There's a 25-ping -> centronics cable from the Adaptec to the SCSI box. The only problem I've ever had with the setup was getting the right values to pass to the module : once I had that working the system worked perfectly. The CD's don't seem to be recognised at boot either, and I usually have to give them a quick nudge with 'mount /juke/cd0' and so forth (they're in fstab), but apart from that, perfect. So, I'd look to the disks themselves as the source of the problem, or at any rate suspect them of uncovering a bug in the aha152x code with some pretty unusual behaviour. If you'd like me to run one of the disks on my system and see how it behaves, I'll give it a shot. Vin From con.hennessy at airtel-atn.com Wed Feb 2 09:28:27 2000 From: con.hennessy at airtel-atn.com (Con Hennessy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] gcc problem References: <28E371C60C8D3D1178E100807CFBE717@purple_monkey_dishwasher.ireland.com> Message-ID: <3897F947.F8BCA492@airtel-atn.com> Hi, You did not state what kind of system you have installed nor which version of gcc you installed, but as far as I know the binary you are looking for can be found in a package called gpp- ( on my SuSE 6.3 system it is gpp-991012-3 ). Con purple monkey_dishwasher wrote: > i was running a make file in one window then i ran > gcc in another and got the following message. > > gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1plus': no such file or directory From kevin at suberic.net Wed Feb 2 09:29:02 2000 From: kevin at suberic.net (kevin lyda) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> Message-ID: <3897F4A7.A4122E67@suberic.net> Ross Lynch wrote: > Which is easier first off? Also, how are they in terms of easyness and > comparibility with respect to C? And lastly, _is_ Linux the best > environment for programming 'em in? (unbiased answers expected ;)). c: imperitive lisp: functional prolog: logical which is easier? it depends on you, the way you think, as well as the problem you're trying to solve. c works very much like the computer underneath it. lisp is somewhat like functions in math but with some hacks that allow c-like programming. fp and ml will provide a more functional approach - no vars, no loops. in prolog you state a collection of facts and the relationships between them, and then ask questions. btw, happy even day... kevin -- kevin@suberic.net Nutrition Facts fork()'ed on 37058400 Puns: 100% RDA (% good puns: 0) From cmc at stardivision.de Wed Feb 2 09:46:52 2000 From: cmc at stardivision.de (Caolan McNamara) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Astronauts and mswindows... Message-ID: <20000202.9471215@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> Probably an oldie for some here, I obviously missed this one the last time around, but I got a chuckle out of it when I came across it today http://lwn.net/980212/a/shuttle.html C. From brendan at zen.org Wed Feb 2 10:21:42 2000 From: brendan at zen.org (Brendan Kehoe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] gcc problem In-Reply-To: <28E371C60C8D3D1178E100807CFBE717@purple_monkey_dishwasher.ireland.com> References: <28E371C60C8D3D1178E100807CFBE717@purple_monkey_dishwasher.ireland.com> Message-ID: <200002021028.KAA00701@mailhost.zen.org> > i was running a make file in one window then i ran > gcc in another and got the following message. > > gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1plus': no such file or directory > > i reinstalled gcc but gout the same message any solutions Do you have GCC_EXEC_PREFIX set in your environment? That can be used to change where the compiler looks for its various pieces, including the main compiler programs like cc1 (the C compiler) or cc1plus (the one for C++), include files, the libgcc support library, et al. The gcc distribution you have may in fact only have had the C front-end built; when it's created, it needs to either be built with a plain `make', or with one specifying LANGUAGES='c c++'. Are you able to compile a C file with that same gcc, or does it give a similar error for cc1? Is the compilation using any `-B/some/dir/' flags? That can sometimes be used to direct the compiler to look in the right location (much as it will with GCC_EXEC_PREFIX) for the same various pieces. Hope this helps, B -- Brendan Kehoe Web page: http://www.zen.org/~brendan/ From brendan at zen.org Wed Feb 2 10:37:20 2000 From: brendan at zen.org (Brendan Kehoe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] preferences for linux laptops? Message-ID: <200002021044.KAA00753@mailhost.zen.org> I'm going to be replacing some hardware that's due to ship out in the next week or two, and have been looking into the various laptop options that are available. It would be a Win98/linux dual-boot, where the main reason for keeping the Windows stuff installed is to use it for watching DVD movies. (In lieu of buying a whole DVD player.) Doesn't have to be NT, definitely won't be Windows 2000. I'm eyeing the Dell Inspiron 7500 as one key choice, while an IBM Thinkpad 390's also kind of pursuasive. Sony's PCG-XG9 looks good too. The basic criteria I have for whatever I get are: - 15"+ screen - good clarity - 450mhz or higher, p-iii over celeron, tho k7 could be ok; I recognize that when I hit 500mhz or higher (like the newer laptops bearing 650mhz), I'll be more limited by disk accesses than what the CPU could try to give me. - 128mb of memory or higher, higher is better but spikes the price - 12-25gb disk, Ultra ATA's preferred - dvd-rom + floppy as a removable module - decent battery life (>3hrs if possible) - don't need a modem, I'll get a pcmcia card for that - don't need networking, I'll use my existing 3com pcmcia card - Kenneth Harker's http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ page would hopefully have it listed and the linked diaries speak favorably of linux on it The price range would be anywhere between $2500 and $4000 (aka between IR£3000-5000), depending on the quality of the laptop. I'm having trouble finding dealers inside Ireland who have something like this, at least easily. I'm also trying to figure out the logistics of ordering one from a US company, have it delivered to work, and have work forward it on to me. (I'll accept paying VAT if the end result is still less than buying it here.) Any theories? How've others handled this sort of purchase/investment? Thanks for the hints, B -- Brendan Kehoe Web page: http://www.zen.org/~brendan/ From sdempsey at tssg.wit.ie Wed Feb 2 10:52:38 2000 From: sdempsey at tssg.wit.ie (Shane Dempsey) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> <20000202003614.A23959@karma.netsoc.ucd.ie> <20000202063909.C44928@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <004401bf6d6a$eb8a65e0$cfbf01c1@wit.ie> Hi , Just to put in a bit about prolog, cos I'm a big enthuasiast. Using swi_pl and a package ( called XPCE I think ) under linux it is possible to do everything from file io to windowing with the ultimate goal of being able to write a fully featured text editor like xemacs in prolog. This sounds nuts but I tried it about a year ago and it was working until I got sense and decided to do something more practical with my time. A few people on the list will remember this episode.. It's not fast but it is beautiful. factorial(1,1) :- !. factorial(N,Ans) :- factorial(N-1,Temp) , Ans is N * Temp. or something along those lines. ...shane -- ################################### Shane Dempsey - sdempsey@tssg.wit.ie TSSG Researcher http://www-tssg.wit.ie ################################### ----- Original Message ----- From: Smelly Pooh To: Sent: 02 February 2000 06:39 Subject: Re: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue > In reply to Albert White (Sysadmin)'s flatulent wordings, > > > > Also, how are they in terms of easyness and comparibility with respect to C? > > > > C and LISP are two completely different ways of approaching a problem. I didnt f > > ind Lisp to hard to learn once I got the idea of lists and everything being a fu > > nction into my head. > > e.g. here is code to get the factorial of a number: > > in lisp: > > (defun fact (n) > > (if (= n 1) > > 1 > > (* (fact (- n 1)) n))) > > in C: > int factorial(int n) { > if (n==1) > return 1; > else > return n * factorial(n-1); > } > > > in C: > > int factorial(int n){ > > int result=1; > > while (n > 0) { > > result=result*n; > > n--; > > } > > } > > in Lisp: > (defun (factorial n) > (do ((result 1 (* result j)) > (j n (- j 1))) > ((<= j 0) result))) > > factorial can be programmed recursively or iteratively in either language > (Paradoxically, Lisp's do, which is an interation construct like a for loop, > is actually a macro defined in terms of recursion using Lisp's lambda special > form) > > > There are some similarities between the two, but after learning lisp you > > will find that your C programs contain lots of functions calling other > > functions calling functions for several months! Ive never used Lisp in > > Linux, when I had to use it I used Allegro in windows - > > Well, what you're highlighting there is the difference between the > functional and imperative style of programming. Functional languages like > Lisp prefer repetition through recursion, imperative languages like C prefer > it through iteration, of course there's nothing preventing programming in > either style in either language although Lisp programmers will shun you and C > programmers won't understand you. There are a lot of programming concepts in > Lisp that you can never really do in C such as Lisp macros, higher order > functions and continuations (a continuation is a piece of code's idea of all > the other code that surrounds it, in Lisp, and especially Scheme, you can > encapsulate this as a procedure, save it, call it in a different context or at > a different time, whatever you want, it's an extremely flexible concept for > handling flow of control and you could do things like named breaks (like in > PERL), exception handling and even things like preemptive multitasking using > it). Lisp basically covers a lot of concepts that you wouldn't even know > about let along think about if you only programmed in C > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > > From alias at student.nuigalway.ie Wed Feb 2 11:02:16 2000 From: alias at student.nuigalway.ie (William Murphy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script References: <3897101D.FC209508@esatclear.ie> Message-ID: <38980EC6.D119E1E0@student.nuigalway.ie> Ross Lynch wrote: > 3) LOGIN='' > NS1=194.145.128.1 > NS2=194.145.128.2 > AUTH_TYPE=pap > PASSFILE=/etc/ppp/AUTH_TYPE-secrets > NUMBER=13332103001235;; > > esac erm, something we didn't notice....obviously the line PASSFILE=/etc/ppp/AUTH_TYPE-secrets should be PASSFILE=/etc/ppp/$AUTH_TYPE_secrets - in practice the error meant was that your pap secrets file would be world readable (kinda irrelevant in the case of surf no limits). A few people pointed out that IOL support PAP. I don't claim to be an authority on authentication methods, but I don't really see any advantages of using PAP over plain text authentication for most users, although I'm well open for correction on that. Obviously, if IOL have actually deprecated plain text login, it should definately be changed. Meanwhile, I personally prefer plain text login. The idea of adding passwords for all the free isps automatically is probably a good one, however we don't actually know all this data, so if anyone with this data wants to send it on (or modify the script themselves and send it on, it only involves adding one or two lines of code and changing some variables) please do. As for using a local nameserver, I suppose that's a pretty cool idea too, but I'm not too well up on it. I did it once, I'm not entirely sure that it's an activity that's conducive to using scripts to set it up. That's about it...btw, what would be the advantages of doing it in perl, and does anyone think that we should add some kinda graphical frontend to it? Cyas, William Murphy From vinayak_risbud at asiansonly.net Wed Feb 2 11:13:32 2000 From: vinayak_risbud at asiansonly.net (Vinayak Risbud) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) Message-ID: <200002021113.DAA12495@mail20.bigmailbox.com> Hi Friends Is it possible to RESTART a Device Driver in Linux (Manually or through a program)? In Windows we have, registry database, where in we dump all system related information. Do we have a similar registry in Linux ? Please answer if you know something about it.... Thanks in advance Vinayak P Risbud ------------------------------------------------------------ asiansINC - Just Can't Get Enough! http://asiansinc.com Free Hosting! Get yours today -> http://asiansinc.com/hosting.shtml From brendan at zen.org Wed Feb 2 11:16:52 2000 From: brendan at zen.org (Brendan Kehoe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] signals and c++ In-Reply-To: References: <20000128.17414890@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> Message-ID: <200002021123.LAA01128@mailhost.zen.org> > Mind you, does GCC handle exceptions properly now? I remember > there used to be issues there (was it that exceptions and > optimization didn't get on, or something?). It does (e.g., gcc-2.95.2). The old implementation---what too many people still see in gcc 2.7.2---is long since gone. In its place is a highly integrated implementation that behaves really well, and causes significantly less code growth than the earlier method. Most platforms, linux included, are now using the data-based exception table approach, which has the good side-effect of having no impact on execution time if an exception's never thrown. The backend of the compiler's now quite intelligent about how to optimize code that's contained in exception regions, and how to properly move those about (including register allocation) without totally blowing it. http://gcc.gnu.org/ has lots of info about the current state of things, and what's been put in over the last few years. These days gcc is a pretty awesome C++ compiler. (Even ignoring my own bias towards it.) B -- Brendan Kehoe Web page: http://www.zen.org/~brendan/ From Padraig.Brady at compaq.com Wed Feb 2 11:23:15 2000 From: Padraig.Brady at compaq.com (Brady, Padraig) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E01C110E5@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Emm.. > -----Original Message----- > From: William Murphy [mailto:alias@student.nuigalway.ie] > A few people pointed out that IOL support PAP. I don't claim to be an > authority on authentication methods, but I don't really see > any advantages of > using PAP over plain text authentication for most users, > although I'm well > open for correction on that. Obviously, if IOL have actually > deprecated plain > text login, it should definately be changed. Meanwhile, I > personally prefer > plain text login. PAP/CHAP are standard. Text login isn't hence you have a lot of messing with different login scripts. Both a slightly faster than text login to a terminal server. Also CHAP provides some security. From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Wed Feb 2 11:24:26 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) References: <200002021113.DAA12495@mail20.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <389813E5.17B0216D@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > Hi Friends > > Is it possible to RESTART a Device Driver in Linux (Manually or > through a program)? Device drivers in Linux take the form of either a 'module', which is a runtime-loadable binary, or are built into the kernel. In the case of modules, you can insert, remove, and list modules with the insmod, rmmod, and lsmod commands respectively. Why do you need to do this, out of interest? > In Windows we have, registry database, where in we dump all > system related information. Do we have a similar registry in > Linux ? Nope. There is no once central database : personally I think it's a horrendously stupid idea baecause if it breaks it takes out your entire installation. Linux configuration files tend to appear in the /etc directory or a subdirectory, and tend to take the form of a text file which can be read and edited by humans. Examples : /etc/inetd.conf Network configuration /etc/smb.conf Samba configuration /etc/rc.d Startup script configuration There are dozens more, and frequently directories with subsections of configurations also. Again, what exactly are you looking for? Vin From brendan at zen.org Wed Feb 2 11:26:00 2000 From: brendan at zen.org (Brendan Kehoe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] signals and c++ In-Reply-To: <20000128.15245594@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> References: <20000128.15245594@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> Message-ID: <200002021133.LAA01222@mailhost.zen.org> > In the absence of such massive cleverness though I imagine that Im > just going to have to live with the ugliness of signals crapping all > over the destructors of a program, unless anyone has any cunning > ideas. Doug Schmidt had an interesting article in C++ Report a while ago (cf. http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/signal-patterns.html) offering one cool approach to making C++ code deal with Unix signals in an elegant way. The stuff in his ``ACE wrappers'' package also offers a solution. B -- Brendan Kehoe Web page: http://www.zen.org/~brendan/ From brendan at zen.org Wed Feb 2 11:30:53 2000 From: brendan at zen.org (Brendan Kehoe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] preferences for linux laptops? In-Reply-To: <200002021123.AA09610@LONSF24318.MLE.CO.UK> References: <200002021123.AA09610@LONSF24318.MLE.CO.UK> Message-ID: <200002021137.LAA01263@mailhost.zen.org> > Do you mean IR£2500 - 4000 (== US$3000-5000) ?? > > > The price range would be anywhere between $2500 and $4000 (aka between > > IR£3000-5000), depending on the quality of the laptop. Indeed, I got my math backwards. US$2500-4000 == IR£1900-3100. Whew! B -- Brendan Kehoe Web page: http://www.zen.org/~brendan/ From david_hamilton3 at hp.com Wed Feb 2 11:31:58 2000 From: david_hamilton3 at hp.com (david_hamilton3@hp.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] IRC Servers Message-ID: Does anyone have any experience of setting up IRC servers? Free and/or commercial. Any info on performance and resilience would great. Thanks, David. ___________________________________________________________________________ __ David Hamilton Hewlett-Packard Consulting Technical Consultant From colm at tuatha.org Wed Feb 2 11:36:35 2000 From: colm at tuatha.org (Colm Buckley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] IRC Servers In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:31:39 GMT Message-ID: <200002021136.LAA05906@dagda.tuatha.org> > Does anyone have any experience of setting up IRC servers? > Free and/or commercial. > Any info on performance and resilience would great. Yes, I've set up the Undernet ircd on Linux a couple of times. Some arcane trickery involved with connecting it into a network of servers (it works more-or-less out-of-the-box for a standalone server), but once its up I've found it very stable. It puts hardly any load at all on the machine with small numbers of users (about 30) and performs very well; I've not checked it with large numbers of users. Colm -- Colm Buckley B.A. B.F. # colm@tuatha.org # +353 87 2469146 http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ # whois cb3765 Opportunities always look bigger going than coming. From johnmcd at cs.may.ie Wed Feb 2 11:37:03 2000 From: johnmcd at cs.may.ie (John Mc Donald) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Samba & Filename Case Message-ID: <38981706.56EE8ABC@cs.may.ie> I have a linux box share out some directories to my Win95 box. The problem is that every time I create a new file/directory in m$ explorer somewhere along the line something is insisting on capitalising the entire filename. I have messed around a bit with the name mangling options in samba but haven't managed to fix it. Does anyone know exactly where does the problem lie here (i.e. Win95 or samba), and more importantly how to fix it? BTW an answer to the first part of the question resembling "using Win95", although technically correct, doesn't help me : ) TIA, John. -- ================================== John Mc Donald, Dept. of Computer Science, National University of Ireland, Maynooth, Co. Kildare, Ireland. Email : johnmcd@cs.may.ie Phone : +353 -1 - 7084589 Fax : +353 -1 - 7083848 http://www.cs.may.ie/~johnmcd ================================== From cmc at stardivision.de Wed Feb 2 11:43:50 2000 From: cmc at stardivision.de (Caolan McNamara) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] signals and c++ In-Reply-To: <200002021133.LAA01222@mailhost.zen.org> References: <20000128.15245594@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> <200002021133.LAA01222@mailhost.zen.org> Message-ID: <20000202.11440654@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 02.02.00, 12:33:03, Brendan Kehoe wrote regarding Re: [ILUG] signals and c++: > > In the absence of such massive cleverness though I imagine that Im > > just going to have to live with the ugliness of signals crapping all > > over the destructors of a program, unless anyone has any cunning > > ideas. > Doug Schmidt had an interesting article in C++ Report a while ago > (cf. http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/signal-patterns.html) offering one cool > approach to making C++ code deal with Unix signals in an elegant way. The > stuff in his ``ACE wrappers'' package also offers a solution. Hmm, it looks like the best practical approach, but it still has its problems. A signal is caught and basically a flag set which gets tested at some fixed point during the execution. So in his final example if a SIGINT was received during do_work() then the program would only shutdown after the do_work() thingy finished. So if the program was stuck in do_work() you couldn't use a SIGINT to shutdown. As the signal would be caught and its handing deferred until the explicit test in the loop. I'll just have to accept that you can't squish round pegs into square holes and expect a perfect fit. > B > -- > Brendan Kehoe > Web page: http://www.zen.org/~brendan/ From alias at student.nuigalway.ie Wed Feb 2 11:44:06 2000 From: alias at student.nuigalway.ie (William Murphy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] IRC Servers References: Message-ID: <38981827.33069E68@student.nuigalway.ie> david_hamilton3@hp.com wrote: > Does anyone have any experience of setting up IRC servers? > Free and/or commercial. > Any info on performance and resilience would great. > Thanks, > David. Phishy.net (The IRC Network with the largest Irish population, which includes irc.indigo.ie) use cyclone. Search for it on freshmeat. As for performance, I can't really quantify it, but it should be fine for most needs. Reliability shouldn't be an issue if it's set up correctly, especially if there's only one server involved. Cya, William Murphy From breatpro at MLE.CO.UK Wed Feb 2 11:44:19 2000 From: breatpro at MLE.CO.UK (Breathnach, Proinnsias(Dublin)) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Samba & Filename Case Message-ID: <200002021143.AA16497@LONSF24318.MLE.CO.UK> The capitalisation is really an MS Explorer issue. Windows, as with DOS doesn't actually distinguish between case, and will, by default, mangle all filenames to be in all caps. AFAIR You can set an option in samba to force all filenames to lowercase, and to ignore case, this can be useful. I might be wrong, but I don't think it's even a filesystem issue, as Linux insists on getting the capitalisation of my VFAT drives right (ie /mnt/dosc/Windows != /mnt/dosc/windows) Strange... P > -----Original Message----- > From: John Mc Donald [SMTP:johnmcd@cs.may.ie] > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:38 > To: ILUG > Subject: [ILUG] Samba & Filename Case > > I have a linux box share out some directories to my Win95 box. > The problem is that every time I create a new file/directory in > m$ explorer somewhere along the line something is insisting on > capitalising the entire filename. > > I have messed around a bit with the name mangling options in > samba but haven't managed to fix it. Does anyone know exactly > where does the problem lie here (i.e. Win95 or samba), and > more importantly how to fix it? > > BTW an answer to the first part of the question resembling > "using Win95", although technically correct, doesn't help me : ) > > TIA, > John. > > -- > ================================== > John Mc Donald, > Dept. of Computer Science, > National University of Ireland, > Maynooth, > Co. Kildare, > Ireland. > > Email : johnmcd@cs.may.ie > Phone : +353 -1 - 7084589 > Fax : +353 -1 - 7083848 > http://www.cs.may.ie/~johnmcd > ================================== > > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription > information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Wed Feb 2 11:45:13 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Samba & Filename Case References: <38981706.56EE8ABC@cs.may.ie> Message-ID: <389817B2.9B30FA11@tradesignals.com> Try put this lot into smb.conf on your Linux box. and look up man 5 smb.conf (I think) mangled names = yes mangle case = no case sensitive = no preserve case = yes short preserve case = yes default case = lower (ripped out of my own smb.conf.. can't remember what they all do exactly.) Donncha. John Mc Donald wrote: > > I have a linux box share out some directories to my Win95 box. > The problem is that every time I create a new file/directory in > m$ explorer somewhere along the line something is insisting on > capitalising the entire filename. > > I have messed around a bit with the name mangling options in > samba but haven't managed to fix it. Does anyone know exactly From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Wed Feb 2 11:49:44 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) In-Reply-To: <200002021113.DAA12495@mail20.bigmailbox.com>; from vinayak_risbud@asiansonly.net on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 03:13:23AM -0800 References: <200002021113.DAA12495@mail20.bigmailbox.com> Message-ID: <20000202114843.I2976@online.ie> On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 03:13:23AM -0800, Vinayak Risbud mentioned: > Is it possible to RESTART a Device Driver in Linux (Manually or > through a program)? If a Device Driver is written with "Module" support in mind, you may create a single binary file, and distribute this to users. They can then run: "modprobe mymodule", and it will look in /lib/modules/kernelversion/*/ for the module. It's quite possible to unload a running module (if no program is using it), copy in a new/updated version of the module, and reload it, without rebooting. To "restart" a driver, you can just run: # rmmod mymodule # modprobe mymodule However, Linus has stated, that when you make a "binary" module, it can only be installed in the version of the Linux kernel that it was written for. If you compile a binary module, against 2.2.12-20 (which ships with RedHat 6.1), it will work with that version, and only that version. Why such a restriction, you make ask ? So that kernel developers don't have to keep to old APIs, to retain backward compatibility. There is an excellent book on writing device drivers, called "Linux Device Drivers (Nutshell Handbook)" by Alessandro Rubini, Andy Oram. However, if you are a commercial entity, it may be better to hire a current Linux developer to write the drivers for you. A mail to the linux-kernel mailing list would get you many interested developers, though future support could be a problem. If your hardware is likely to be popular, a release of complete programming specs (or just the source of an NT driver) would spur someone to write the driver themeselves, for free, and maintain it. It's recommended that if you want to write and distribute a driver, that will work with *any* kernel version, you should send Alan Cox (the "stable" kernel maintainer) a patch between a current 2.2.x kernel, and your 2.2.x kernel with kernel module installed in it. It would then be distributed with any future linux kernels, free of charge :) > In Windows we have, registry database, where in we dump all > system related information. Do we have a similar registry in > Linux ? Not really. All applications are invited to install a configuration file in /etc, or make a directory in /etc/ if there are many configuration files. For graphical applications, the "GNOME desktop environment" offers a registry-style API, that allows you to save key/value pairs, like the Microsoft registry. However, it is for user-preferences style information, and it maps directly to a directory in a users ~/.gnome/ directory. John -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From John_White at dell.com Wed Feb 2 12:36:08 2000 From: John_White at dell.com (John_White@dell.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) Message-ID: <0DA45002C12BD2119CF80060084CC5A001F3DA66@limxmmf104.mfg.ie.dell.com> > Why do you need to do this, out of interest? yeah, . . . why? When trying to apply Windows concepts to UNIX which will just make it frustrating for yourself, embrace it's difference, treat it like a new fruit, don't constrain it within the bounds of something familliar - you lose something of it's richness. ("You must unlearn what you have learnt" - Master Yoda) > > In Windows we have, registry database, where in we dump all > > system related information. Do we have a similar registry in > > Linux ? > Nope. There is no once central database : personally I think it's > a horrendously stupid idea baecause if it breaks it takes out your > entire installation. Hey why don't we keep the entire sytsem configuration in a centralised database that's loaded in memory all the time ? . . . That way, it'll use up memory, and give the user nothing in return. Also, the more software someone installs, the more memory it will take up, and the slower their system will run ! ! ! ! And when someone wants to copy an application from one system to another, they'll have to search all sorts of places in the registry to find other bits & components of the app. What a lousy shower of tossers . . . . From stuff at iol.ie Wed Feb 2 12:44:33 2000 From: stuff at iol.ie (John Kelly) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script In-Reply-To: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E01C110E5@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <000101bf6ce6$19f7eea0$0200000a@stuff.expl0sive.org> As a kind of a 'stopover' (till someone with some _proper_ programming skills comes up with something), I've written a simple bash script in dialog that asks the user for his isp, username, password and also prompts for speed/com port of the modem. It will then set up everything, hopefully. It's based on the ingenious debian ppp connection setup script "pppconfig", and also includes the 'pon' and 'poff' scripts to help bring up/down the connection. It's not pretty. It's not guaranteed to work. The only systems it's been tested with have been slackware 7 and debian 2.1/2.2. But if anyone wants to try it out and report it's errors and stuff to me, it's available at http://www.iol.ie/~stuff/ispsetup.tgz - John From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Wed Feb 2 12:46:18 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: Registries was (Re: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) In-Reply-To: <0DA45002C12BD2119CF80060084CC5A001F3DA66@limxmmf104.mfg.ie.dell.com>; from John_White@dell.com on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 05:45:51AM -0600 References: <0DA45002C12BD2119CF80060084CC5A001F3DA66@limxmmf104.mfg.ie.dell.com> Message-ID: <20000202124517.F4468@online.ie> On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 05:45:51AM -0600, John_White@dell.com mentioned: > > > Why do you need to do this, out of interest? > yeah, . . . why? > > When trying to apply Windows concepts to UNIX which will just make it > frustrating for yourself, embrace it's difference, treat it like a new > fruit, don't constrain it within the bounds of something familliar - you > lose something of it's richness. > ("You must unlearn what you have learnt" - Master Yoda) The idea of a registry is good. A single API for all apps to store their stuff in. The Microsoft implementation wasn't too bad. It has it's problems, but overall, it's functional. It's the stupid programmers that abuse a registry that affect system performance and stability. The outlook people thought it would be cunning to store the calendar & mail addresses in it. The driver people thought it would be cunning to store device settings in it. Gnome people thought it would be cunning to store data in a registry. Gnome-Pilot stores stuff like the addressbook details in it - as in, "The addressbook file is in xxxx". Big difference. > Hey why don't we keep the entire sytsem configuration in a centralised > database that's loaded in memory all the time ? . . . > That way, it'll use up memory, and give the user nothing in return. Also, > the more software someone installs, the more memory it will take up, and the > slower their system will run ! ! ! ! Do remember that it's swapped out when not in use... > And when someone wants to copy an application from one system to > another, they'll have to search all sorts of places in the registry to > find other bits & components of the app. You can export branches of a registry out, just like you can tar up the filesystem. It's just not easy to do :) If it was a common requirement, in an ideal world, applications would have a "purge registry entries" menu thing, and a "export registry settings" menu thing. They don't. With GNOME's registry, you can do "cp -rd ~/.gnome/appname ~otheraccount/.gnome/appname - something I'd to do yesterday, when copying settings from my home account to this one. If anyone is doing anything, and thinks "I'd like a registry", checkout out ACAP. It's supposed to be a "network registry". That would rock. If all the linux apps you know any love become registry aware...esp. Vim, so I could edit the registry with a text editor :) Kate -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From Padraig.Brady at compaq.com Wed Feb 2 12:47:03 2000 From: Padraig.Brady at compaq.com (Brady, Padraig) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E01C110E6@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: John_White@dell.com [mailto:John_White@dell.com] > Sent: 02 February 2000 11:46 > To: vcunniff@arbgroup.com; ilug@linux.ie > Subject: RE: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) > > > > > Why do you need to do this, out of interest? > yeah, . . . why? > > When trying to apply Windows concepts to UNIX which will just make it > frustrating for yourself, embrace it's difference, treat it like a new > fruit, don't constrain it within the bounds of something > familliar - you > lose something of it's richness. > ("You must unlearn what you have learnt" - Master Yoda) > > > > In Windows we have, registry database, where in we dump all > > > system related information. Do we have a similar registry in > > > Linux ? > > > Nope. There is no once central database : personally I think it's > > a horrendously stupid idea baecause if it breaks it takes out your > > entire installation. > > Hey why don't we keep the entire sytsem configuration in a centralised > database that's loaded in memory all the time ? . . . > That way, it'll use up memory, and give the user nothing in > return. Also, > the more software someone installs, the more memory it will > take up, and the > slower their system will run ! ! ! ! > And when someone wants to copy an application from one system > to another, > they'll have to > search all sorts of places in the registry to find other bits > & components > of the app. > > What a lousy shower of tossers . . . . Let me second that and add the point that the registry is quite easy to corrupt bringing the whole system down! The reason is that the registry is a keyed database that keeps growing, and hence more susceptible to corruption that an ascii file. For practically anthing windoze does it reads or writes the registry, hence the slow down of the system as it gets bigger that was mentioned above, but also greatly increases the chance of fecking it up! From kenn at bluetree.ie Wed Feb 2 12:59:22 2000 From: kenn at bluetree.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [OT} registry [was RE: [ILUG] Some more Questions : )] In-Reply-To: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E01C110E6@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: > Let me second that and add the point that the registry is quite easy > to corrupt bringing the whole system down! > The reason is that the registry is a keyed database that keeps growing, > and hence more susceptible to corruption that an ascii file. > For practically anthing windoze does it reads or writes the registry, > hence the slow down of the system as it gets bigger that was mentioned > above, but also greatly increases the chance of fecking it up! I agree that a proprietary, undocumented binary lump is not a good way to store every critical piece of config info for your machine. But, in practice, how unreliable _is_ the Windows registry? In 3.5 years using Win95 and WinNT, I've _never_ seen registry corruption. And this is on development machines (and we were once developing 16-bit apps on Win95 - can you say "hourly crashes"?) The only case I've heard of where Win95 said 'your registry is corrupted' regularly at boot time turned out to be dodgy RAM. And it was suffering more than just registry corruption. Later, Kenn From Padraig.Brady at compaq.com Wed Feb 2 13:06:55 2000 From: Padraig.Brady at compaq.com (Brady, Padraig) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [OT} registry [was RE: [ILUG] Some more Questions : )] Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E01C110E8@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenn Humborg [mailto:kenn@bluetree.ie] > > > Let me second that and add the point that the registry is quite easy > > to corrupt bringing the whole system down! > > The reason is that the registry is a keyed database that > keeps growing, > > and hence more susceptible to corruption that an ascii file. > > For practically anthing windoze does it reads or writes the > registry, > > hence the slow down of the system as it gets bigger that > was mentioned > > above, but also greatly increases the chance of fecking it up! > > I agree that a proprietary, undocumented binary lump is not > a good way to store every critical piece of config info > for your machine. > > But, in practice, how unreliable _is_ the Windows registry? > In 3.5 years using Win95 and WinNT, I've _never_ seen registry > corruption. And this is on development machines (and we > were once developing 16-bit apps on Win95 - can you say > "hourly crashes"?) you lucky lucky bastard! I can think of (Oh the pain!) at least 9 on 3 different machines over the last 3 years. When restoring from backups there were issues with slight hardware changes since the backup etc. etc. also various programs got in a twist so invariably I had to reinstall everything again from scratch. From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Wed Feb 2 13:09:48 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [OT} registry [was RE: [ILUG] Some more Questions : )] References: Message-ID: <38982C97.A7B54E42@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > > Let me second that and add the point that the registry is quite easy > > to corrupt bringing the whole system down! > > The reason is that the registry is a keyed database that keeps growing, > > and hence more susceptible to corruption that an ascii file. > > For practically anthing windoze does it reads or writes the registry, > > hence the slow down of the system as it gets bigger that was mentioned > > above, but also greatly increases the chance of fecking it up! > > I agree that a proprietary, undocumented binary lump is not > a good way to store every critical piece of config info > for your machine. > > But, in practice, how unreliable _is_ the Windows registry? > In 3.5 years using Win95 and WinNT, I've _never_ seen registry > corruption. And this is on development machines (and we > were once developing 16-bit apps on Win95 - can you say > "hourly crashes"?) > > The only case I've heard of where Win95 said 'your registry > is corrupted' regularly at boot time turned out to be dodgy > RAM. And it was suffering more than just registry corruption. I've had it happen to me on an NT 4.0 box. Also, you can *hear* the system creaking while it transfers 47MB of registry over the network while booting your profile. Argh. Vin From jm at jmason.org Wed Feb 2 13:10:05 2000 From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: Registries was (Re: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) In-Reply-To: Message from "John P. Looney" of "Wed, 02 Feb 2000 12:45:17 GMT." <20000202124517.F4468@online.ie> Message-ID: <200002021310.NAA08107@callisto.netnoteinc.com> "John P. Looney" said: > Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a > Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking > DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD > player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php BTW, regarding this URL -- seen here and on linux.ie front page -- I get nothing but a blank page (using NS 4.7 on Linux). --j. From kenn at bluetree.ie Wed Feb 2 13:20:13 2000 From: kenn at bluetree.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: Registries was (Re: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) In-Reply-To: <200002021310.NAA08107@callisto.netnoteinc.com> Message-ID: > Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the > arrest of a > > Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking > > DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD > > player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php > > BTW, regarding this URL -- seen here and on linux.ie front page -- I get > nothing but a blank page (using NS 4.7 on Linux). They've closed the petition. But they also seem to have fscked the HTML on the page. Read the source Luke! Later, Kenn From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Wed Feb 2 13:20:21 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: Registries was (Re: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) In-Reply-To: <200002021310.NAA08107@callisto.netnoteinc.com>; from jm@jmason.org on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 01:09:58PM +0000 References: <200002021310.NAA08107@callisto.netnoteinc.com> Message-ID: <20000202131917.A4715@online.ie> On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 01:09:58PM +0000, Justin Mason mentioned: > "John P. Looney" said: > > Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a > > Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking > > DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD > > player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php > BTW, regarding this URL -- seen here and on linux.ie front page -- I get > nothing but a blank page (using NS 4.7 on Linux). What can I say ? Netscape is crap. Works fine in Lynx. Kate -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From cmcclean at ait.ie Wed Feb 2 13:40:04 2000 From: cmcclean at ait.ie (Cormac McClean) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <3898355A.7243DC17@ait.ie> I think this is a great idea, i.e. making lots of Linux software available for schools to use. It's similar to how Unix took off, in that it was made available to Universities at nominal cost, students used it, liked it, and then expected to be able to use it when they were working in industry. We could even tailor things for the Irish curriculum, e.g. Linux software that follows the Leaving Cert Maths, Science, , curricula. I would be interested in getting involved in such a project during my free time, especially during the Summer (Academia is great!). I taught in secondary school for a couple of years (before sanity took hold and I moved to 3rd level) and I can see the impact such software would have in terms of furthering the maths/science education of students, and (maybe more importantly from a Penguinesque point of view) help to further the use of Linux in Ireland as John describes. Hmm... "Let a = 3, b= 4, what is a + b? Hey, stop pulling Maggie's hair... you in the back, put out that cigarette NOW and come up here. Don't you raise your fist to me like that..." No need for a teacher at all! heh heh heh Cormac. >This is Learning Logic, an Algebra teaching system based around Linux, that is >apparently being used in many schools across the U.S. I'm going to have a look >at this as soon as I get a little time. My daughters school is getting> >computers, and I would like to see them changed over to Linux, but until I saw >this, I couldn't really say what benefit Linux would provide for them. Maybe St >Ollie's could have a look at this as well? Or maybe they've already got it. I'm >going to have a look around and see if I can find other, related programmes for >schools. This is just the boost Linux needs to really penetrate the school zone. >Once our children are learning with Linux in schools, they will expect and >demand Linux at home and at work! From jm at jmason.org Wed Feb 2 14:12:48 2000 From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: Registries was (Re: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) In-Reply-To: Message from "Kenn Humborg" of "Wed, 02 Feb 2000 13:19:46 GMT." Message-ID: <200002021412.OAA08435@callisto.netnoteinc.com> "Kenn Humborg" said: > > BTW, regarding this URL -- seen here and on linux.ie front page -- I get > > nothing but a blank page (using NS 4.7 on Linux). > > They've closed the petition. But they also seem to have fscked > the HTML on the page. Read the source Luke! ah, I was expecting a different URL or summat -- didn't occur to me to read the HTML. More coffee required! --j. From john.allen at oc2.com Wed Feb 2 14:13:58 2000 From: john.allen at oc2.com (John Allen) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: Registries was (Re: [ILUG] Some more Questions : ) References: <0DA45002C12BD2119CF80060084CC5A001F3DA66@limxmmf104.mfg.ie.dell.com> <20000202124517.F4468@online.ie> Message-ID: <38983C05.B8E8C1A0@oc2.com> "John P. Looney" wrote: > > If it was a common requirement, in an ideal world, applications would > have a "purge registry entries" menu thing, and a "export registry > settings" menu thing. They don't. With GNOME's registry, you can do "cp > -rd ~/.gnome/appname ~otheraccount/.gnome/appname - something I'd to do > yesterday, when copying settings from my home account to this one. > > If anyone is doing anything, and thinks "I'd like a registry", checkout > out ACAP. It's supposed to be a "network registry". That would rock. If > all the linux apps you know any love become registry aware...esp. Vim, so > I could edit the registry with a text editor :) > Also remember that ACAP is a network protocol, so I could keep my .vimrc on a server somewhere, instead of having to copy the god damn thing all over the place. -- =============================================================================== John Allen, Email: john.allen@orbiscard.com Orbis Payment Technology Ltd, Phone: +353-1-2945111 3 Sandyford Park, Mobile: +353-86-2315986 Sandyford Industrial Estate, Fax: +353-1-2945119 Dublin 18. =============================================================================== From eleanor.duff at aes.ie Wed Feb 2 14:25:34 2000 From: eleanor.duff at aes.ie (Eleanor Duff) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Looking for Information Message-ID: Does anyone anything about converting a Perl script from Linux/Unix for use in an NT enviornment? I have a contact HTML form running off an Apache Server. Aperl script grabs the information, puts it to the screen in HTML format, so the customer can see what they have sent, the it opens the sendmail utility on the Unix box and sends it to me in the format of an e-mail with the data collected, listed in it. I wish to replicate the forms on my IIS server, and use the Perl forms to call a MS-DOS based mailing program. Is there anyway of doing this conversion, a utility or script I can use that will allow the batch file to be called? Thanks in Advance, Ellie, Customer and Network Support- Advanced Educational Systems 40 Northumberland Ave., Dun Laoighaire, Co. Dublin, Ireland. Phone :+ 353 1 2300344 Fax : + 353 1 230 0848 From plop at redbrick.dcu.ie Wed Feb 2 14:44:37 2000 From: plop at redbrick.dcu.ie (Smelly Pooh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: <3897F4A7.A4122E67@suberic.net>; from kevin@suberic.net on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 09:11:03AM +0000 References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> <3897F4A7.A4122E67@suberic.net> Message-ID: <20000202144435.B54531@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> In reply to kevin lyda's flatulent wordings, > c works very much like the computer underneath it. lisp is somewhat > like functions in math but with some hacks that allow c-like > programming. Lisp takes very little out of C, it's only about 15 years older aswell From plop at redbrick.dcu.ie Wed Feb 2 14:47:36 2000 From: plop at redbrick.dcu.ie (Smelly Pooh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] scheme In-Reply-To: <200002020731.XAA06294@mail2.hushmail.com>; from poneil@hushmail.com on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 11:31:14PM -0800 References: <200002020731.XAA06294@mail2.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <20000202144734.C54531@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> In reply to poneil@hushmail.com's flatulent wordings, > Since the topic is on scheme, I played with it briefly but how do I make > use of it. Can I compile a function into something that will run by itself. You can write a script in it and run it through an interpretter like PERL or shell scripts or you can compile it up into a binary. > I can't recall a game I downloaded off linuxapps.com once but it had loads > of scheme files, *.scm that the game used, I suspect the game was written > in C or something else, how do they call those scm files into there program? Chances are your C game has an embedded Scheme interpretter (lots of those around) so you can use Scheme scripts for extension or plain configuration. From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Wed Feb 2 14:51:34 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: <20000202144435.B54531@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>; from plop@redbrick.dcu.ie on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 02:44:35PM +0000 References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> <3897F4A7.A4122E67@suberic.net> <20000202144435.B54531@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <20000202145032.F4715@online.ie> On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 02:44:35PM +0000, Smelly Pooh mentioned: > In reply to kevin lyda's flatulent wordings, > > c works very much like the computer underneath it. lisp is somewhat > > like functions in math but with some hacks that allow c-like > > programming. > Lisp takes very little out of C, it's only about 15 years older aswell And would have become *the* language for applications (leaving C for "systems implementation", only for the fact that everyone and their granny started producing commerical and incompatible versions that made the Commercial SysV vs. BSD split look like a marketing difference. Kate -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From plop at redbrick.dcu.ie Wed Feb 2 15:02:12 2000 From: plop at redbrick.dcu.ie (Smelly Pooh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: <20000202145032.F4715@online.ie>; from jplooney-ilug@online.ie on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 02:50:33PM +0000 References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> <3897F4A7.A4122E67@suberic.net> <20000202144435.B54531@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> <20000202145032.F4715@online.ie> Message-ID: <20000202150209.A57462@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> In reply to John P. Looney's flatulent wordings, > On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 02:44:35PM +0000, Smelly Pooh mentioned: > > In reply to kevin lyda's flatulent wordings, > > > c works very much like the computer underneath it. lisp is somewhat > > > like functions in math but with some hacks that allow c-like > > > programming. > > Lisp takes very little out of C, it's only about 15 years older aswell > > And would have become *the* language for applications (leaving C for > "systems implementation", only for the fact that everyone and their granny > started producing commerical and incompatible versions that made the > Commercial SysV vs. BSD split look like a marketing difference. Then the ANSI Common Lisp standard came out in the early nineties which was just a big compatibility hack that very few people like, and you have Scheme which has a defacto standard (R5RS) and an IEEE standard which are pretty similar, but the philosophy behind Scheme was to be as minimalist as possible so you have a language with a near perfect core, but no standard libraries beyond handling internal data and accessing files (they figured they'd let people implement the rest whatever way they want) and now you have a hundred Schemes (this number is only a slight over exageration) which are syntatically and semantically identical, but with incompatible libraries starting that whole split again. It probably wouldn't have taken off as much as C did anyway, for some reason most people have a serious aversion to Lisp's bracketty notation, and functional programming and any language that wants to be remotely successful these days mimic C/C++ syntax (e.g. PERL and Java) From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Wed Feb 2 15:05:00 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: <20000202150209.A57462@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>; from plop@redbrick.dcu.ie on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 03:02:09PM +0000 References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> <3897F4A7.A4122E67@suberic.net> <20000202144435.B54531@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> <20000202145032.F4715@online.ie> <20000202150209.A57462@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <20000202150358.I4715@online.ie> On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 03:02:09PM +0000, Smelly Pooh mentioned: > anyway, for some reason most people have a serious aversion to Lisp's > bracketty notation, and functional programming and any language that wants to > be remotely successful these days mimic C/C++ syntax (e.g. PERL and Java) PHP, Javascript... Kate -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Wed Feb 2 15:11:51 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] [OT] differential scsi Message-ID: <38984930.E1D20A39@arbgroup.com> Hi, just a quick note : I recently acquired a 2.5GB Barracuda SCSI disk, which turned out to be differential, so I cannot use it. As this group has pretty weird and varied collection of hardware, I was wondering if anyone would either like to buy it (they can test it first if they wish) or might have a HVD->standard adapter for a reasonable price? Regards, Vin From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Wed Feb 2 15:22:19 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] [OT] Esat-Eircom link slow? Message-ID: <38984A95.5B40496A@tradesignals.com> Has anyone else noticed that going from the esat.net network to site on eircom.net is very slow of late? Donncha. From sk at esg.nl Wed Feb 2 16:24:46 2000 From: sk at esg.nl (Stefan Kolle) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] sysadmin needed - couple of hours Message-ID: <389859C5.172BE19C@merriongroup.com> I hope I'm not sending this to the wrong list - if so, please apologise my intrusion. We are getting a permanent connection into the office within the next days, and need someone to set up a linux-firewall for us, and maintain it every now and then. Should you also know a little about NT to attend our server every now and then would be great. So, if anyone out there is interested in some work, please mail me. Thanks, Stefan Kolle From nearyd at khumbu.eeng.dcu.ie Wed Feb 2 16:40:13 2000 From: nearyd at khumbu.eeng.dcu.ie (David Neary) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] "pure" linux Message-ID: Hi all, I have a gig or so which is currently unused disk space at home, and I'd like to set it up as a "pure" linux dist, that is, installing all packages from source, and configuring stuff by hand from scratch. Anybody have any guidelines about what I should do, and in what order? I'm thinking of things like whether I should recompile everything with the "new" gcc/egcs after I've compiled it, whether it's just a matter of making partitions, making fileystems, mounting them and copying stuff across, where I'd get the major/minor numbers for the /dev files, and, basically, the minimum that needs to be done to get a first successful boot. Any references, stuff to watch out for, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, DAve. From ray at phbrink.ie Wed Feb 2 16:42:44 2000 From: ray at phbrink.ie (ray@phbrink.ie) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Converting Address books Message-ID: Hi .. Quick question I've convinced my MD here to take a Linux box as his desktop workstation (hurray). There are no problems setting him up to access all the stuff which he would normally use such as attached word docs, Mail netaccess & NT file services etc etc. The only thing which I'm not aware of is a nice "simple" solution to exporting his Microsoft internet Mail address book to something which Netscape under Linux will like. I can select the entire address book out & paste it into a text file & then manually update the Netscape address book but I'd rather not have to do it this way. Suggestions are welcome from anybody who's done this before ta Ray ... Raymond Kelly: ray@phbrink.ie : Systems Administrator: PH Brink International, Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, Ireland: TEL: +353 91 771181: Mobile: +353 87 2886761 (Caller ID only): From Padraig.Brady at compaq.com Wed Feb 2 16:48:37 2000 From: Padraig.Brady at compaq.com (Brady, Padraig) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Converting Address books Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E01C110EC@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Use a well known intermediate format, or more specifically one that MS exports and NS imports. CSV is the obvious one that comes to mind (I'm not sure if MS can export its address book in CVS). If you can get a text version of the MS address book, then it should be quite easy to make a correct CVS file from it. > -----Original Message----- > From: ray@phbrink.ie [mailto:ray@phbrink.ie] > Sent: 02 February 2000 16:43 > To: ilug@linux.ie > Subject: [ILUG] Converting Address books > > > Hi .. > > Quick question > > I've convinced my MD here to take a Linux box as his desktop > workstation > (hurray). There are no problems setting him up to access all the stuff > which he would normally use such as attached word docs, Mail > netaccess & > NT file services etc etc. > > The only thing which I'm not aware of is a nice "simple" solution to > exporting his Microsoft internet Mail address book to something which > Netscape under Linux will like. I can select the entire > address book out & > paste it into a text file & then manually update the Netscape > address book > but I'd rather not have to do it this way. > > Suggestions are welcome from anybody who's done this before > > ta > Ray ... > > Raymond Kelly: ray@phbrink.ie : Systems Administrator: > PH Brink International, Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, Ireland: > TEL: +353 91 771181: Mobile: +353 87 2886761 (Caller ID only): > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for > (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > From johno at tornado.ie Wed Feb 2 16:53:42 2000 From: johno at tornado.ie (Johno Sullivan) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] sysadmin needed - couple of hours In-Reply-To: <389859C5.172BE19C@merriongroup.com> Message-ID: Will you pay for the flights to the Netherlands? ;) johno On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Stefan Kolle wrote: >I hope I'm not sending this to the wrong list - if so, please apologise >my intrusion. > >We are getting a permanent connection into the office within the next >days, and need someone to set up a linux-firewall for us, and maintain >it every now and then. >Should you also know a little about NT to attend our server every now >and then would be great. >So, if anyone out there is interested in some work, please mail me. > >Thanks, > >Stefan Kolle From sk at esg.nl Wed Feb 2 17:02:29 2000 From: sk at esg.nl (Stefan Kolle) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: Sysadmin needed Message-ID: <389862A2.BF7D9E01@merriongroup.com> Forgot to mention that my company is in Dublin (Ballsbridge) From econsid at shannon.tellabs.com Wed Feb 2 17:20:49 2000 From: econsid at shannon.tellabs.com (Eoghan Considine) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] /bin/ksh version Message-ID: <14488.26326.792712.2590@warrior> Hi, Does anyone know how to get the version of korn shell one is running ? ( it is not "/bin/ksh -v" by the way ! ). Thanks. -- -Eoghan. From lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie Wed Feb 2 17:33:59 2000 From: lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie (Lars Hecking) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] /bin/ksh version In-Reply-To: <14488.26326.792712.2590@warrior>; from econsid@shannon.tellabs.com on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 05:19:19PM +0000 References: <14488.26326.792712.2590@warrior> Message-ID: <20000202173352.A6627@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Eoghan Considine writes: > Hi, > > Does anyone know how to get the version of korn shell one is > running ? $ /bin/ksh $ set -o emacs Press Control-V. I don't think this is scriptable. On systems where ksh == pdksh, you can use $ /bin/ksh -c "echo $KSH_VERSION" From jgaughan at irish-times.com Wed Feb 2 17:39:35 2000 From: jgaughan at irish-times.com (John Gaughan) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] /bin/ksh version In-Reply-To: <14488.26326.792712.2590@warrior> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of > Eoghan Considine > Sent: 02 February 2000 17:19 > To: ilug@linux.ie > Subject: [ILUG] /bin/ksh version > > Hi, > > Does anyone know how to get the version of korn shell one is > running ? > > ( it is not "/bin/ksh -v" by the way ! ). > > Enable emacs keybindings and type ^V (Control-V) at the prompt. The version should be printed to the screen. To enable emacs keybindings in ksh with the command 'set -o emacs'. John. From johno at tornado.ie Wed Feb 2 17:41:55 2000 From: johno at tornado.ie (Johno Sullivan) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] /bin/ksh version In-Reply-To: <14488.26326.792712.2590@warrior> Message-ID: echo $KSH_VERSION On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Eoghan Considine wrote: >Hi, > > Does anyone know how to get the version of korn shell one is > running ? > >( it is not "/bin/ksh -v" by the way ! ). > > >Thanks. >-- >-Eoghan. > >-- >Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie >http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. >List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > From delphi91 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 2 18:17:23 2000 From: delphi91 at hotmail.com (Michael Treacy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <20000202181644.32851.qmail@hotmail.com> >We could even tailor things for the Irish curriculum, e.g. Linux >software >that follows the Leaving Cert Maths, Science, , curricula. I That's a great idea! I work in a school and there is no software out there that is specific to the Irish curriculum. No problem getting GCSE or O/A Level stuff, but nothing for the Junior/Leaving Cert. Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From wayne.comerford at bowneglobal.ie Wed Feb 2 18:18:09 2000 From: wayne.comerford at bowneglobal.ie (Comerford, Wayne) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] This User group and Out of office. Message-ID: <740BEBAE657ED311B0B00008C7FB1B0D1265@DUBLIN-GATE01> Hi Guys, I need to setup my out of office here in work for a few days. I read somewhere that it's "Very Bad Show" to have your out of office on while being a member of a mail group and I'd have to unsubscribe to the group before I apply my out of office. Out of Office causes mails to be sent to everybody on the mail group and not just the sender. Will this happen on this Group? I'd hate to have to unsubscribe, Well just thought I'd ask incase I piss alot of people off. Wayne C. From gary at netsoc.tcd.ie Wed Feb 2 18:27:50 2000 From: gary at netsoc.tcd.ie (Gary Coady) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] "pure" linux In-Reply-To: ; from David Neary on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 04:40:08PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20000202182748.A3485@apollo.netsoc.tcd.ie> On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 04:40:08PM +0000, David Neary wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a gig or so which is currently unused disk space at home, and I'd > like to set it up as a "pure" linux dist, that is, installing all packages > from source, and configuring stuff by hand from scratch. See http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Linux-From-Scratch-HOWTO.html -- Gary Coady - gary@netsoc.tcd.ie - http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~gary/ It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy. From dave.wilson at heanet.ie Wed Feb 2 18:30:15 2000 From: dave.wilson at heanet.ie (Dave Wilson) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] This User group and Out of office. In-Reply-To: <740BEBAE657ED311B0B00008C7FB1B0D1265@DUBLIN-GATE01>; from wayne.comerford@bowneglobal.ie on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 06:14:38PM -0000 References: <740BEBAE657ED311B0B00008C7FB1B0D1265@DUBLIN-GATE01> Message-ID: <20000202183013.E21804@urda.heanet.ie> Wayne, > Will this happen on this Group? I'd hate to have to unsubscribe, > Well just thought I'd ask incase I piss alot of people off. IMHO, the problem is usually badly written out-of-office programs. Most of them are badly written, and most of their users can't tell. If your o-o-o program: - Sends to the Return-path: (instead of From:) - Ignores messages with Precedence: bulk and Precedence: junk - Replies only once per address you're *probably* alright, and if you can - Set it to ignore messages from X, Y and Z list - Set it to retain some context for the replied message (e.g. Subject, Message-id, message contents) you're *definitely* alright. If you violate any of the above, you're liable to send messages to the wrong people, confuse them, and|or start mail loops. Now, anyone else like to suggest how to implement the above? Cheers, Dave -- dave.wilson@heanet.ie --------------------------------------- +353-1-662-3412 It is one thing to pray; it is another to pray to entities who might not only be listening, but who will search you out on the road and beat you across the head with sticks if you say something that offends them. -- Neil Gaiman ------------------ For crypto key send a blank message to davew+pgp@heanet.ie From wayne.comerford at bowneglobal.ie Wed Feb 2 18:49:00 2000 From: wayne.comerford at bowneglobal.ie (Comerford, Wayne) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] This User group and Out of office. Message-ID: <740BEBAE657ED311B0B00008C7FB1B0D1267@DUBLIN-GATE01> Please tell me you didn't get a Out of office reply. I'd just finished setting it up when you mailed. If you didn't them i'm sorted. Using Padraig's rule, seems to work with outlook 98. (if ilug@linux.ie in CC: || ilug@linux.ie in TO:) out off office is probably the only thing they got right. Cheers Wayne C. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Wilson [mailto:dave.wilson@heanet.ie] Sent: 02 February 2000 18:30 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] This User group and Out of office. Wayne, > Will this happen on this Group? I'd hate to have to unsubscribe, > Well just thought I'd ask incase I piss alot of people off. IMHO, the problem is usually badly written out-of-office programs. Most of them are badly written, and most of their users can't tell. If your o-o-o program: - Sends to the Return-path: (instead of From:) - Ignores messages with Precedence: bulk and Precedence: junk - Replies only once per address you're *probably* alright, and if you can - Set it to ignore messages from X, Y and Z list - Set it to retain some context for the replied message (e.g. Subject, Message-id, message contents) you're *definitely* alright. If you violate any of the above, you're liable to send messages to the wrong people, confuse them, and|or start mail loops. Now, anyone else like to suggest how to implement the above? Cheers, Dave -- dave.wilson@heanet.ie --------------------------------------- +353-1-662-3412 It is one thing to pray; it is another to pray to entities who might not only be listening, but who will search you out on the road and beat you across the head with sticks if you say something that offends them. -- Neil Gaiman ------------------ For crypto key send a blank message to davew+pgp@heanet.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From ray at phbrink.ie Wed Feb 2 18:54:11 2000 From: ray at phbrink.ie (Raymond A Kelly) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Converting Address books References: <200002021646.AA15723@LONSF24318.MLE.CO.UK> Message-ID: <38987D4F.62D63A30@phbrink.ie> "Breathnach, Proinnsias(Dublin)" wrote: > > Ray, > NS in Windows will import MS address books, and that format *should* be > compatible w/NS for Linux ... > > Thanks to everyone who replied (within minutes) as it turns out the above was the sulution which I ended up using. Import to Netscape under windoze & copy the relevant files to ~/.netscape start netscape & bang there is is.. Perfect as for the csv suggestion, this was let down by virtue of the fact that the POS known as M$ internet mail only wants to export one entry at as time & that only exports to that cursed vcf crap. selecting the whole lot & copying it out into a plain text file results in one big long badly formatted file with each of the entries having an entry looking like Firstname Surname E-mail Address(es): user@domain.tld If I'd more time to hand I'd probably have fixed it up a little but the NS-import worked well enough. Thanks again to all who replied Ray ... -- Raymond Kelly: ray@phbrink.ie : Systems Administrator: PH Brink International, Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, Ireland: TEL: +353 91 771181: Mobile: +353 87 2886761 (Caller ID only): From lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie Wed Feb 2 19:05:36 2000 From: lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie (Lars Hecking) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] This User group and Out of office. In-Reply-To: <20000202183013.E21804@urda.heanet.ie>; from dave.wilson@heanet.ie on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 06:30:13PM +0000 References: <740BEBAE657ED311B0B00008C7FB1B0D1265@DUBLIN-GATE01> <20000202183013.E21804@urda.heanet.ie> Message-ID: <20000202190525.A6968@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> > Now, anyone else like to suggest how to implement the above? Uncommenting # INCLUDERC=rc.vacation at the end of my .procmailrc ;) at this stage, all ml's have been filtered out, and the remaining msgs are headed for my personal inbox. From fergal at esatclear.ie Wed Feb 2 19:16:15 2000 From: fergal at esatclear.ie (Fergal Daly) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.20000202191905.02ef1ce0@pop.esatclear.ie> Lisp is fun, Prolog give me a real pain, but I found this http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/research/mercury/ a while ago which looked kinda funky, it's kinda like Prolog done nicely, it claims to be really fast (compared to Prolog, which could be a complete dog), allows you to use modules (code libraries), has a gui library and apparently people have actually produced applications with it. I never had to investigate it properly or learn a whole new way to program, but if you plan on learning a declarative programming language check it out, Fergal At 00:10 02/02/00 +0000, Ross Lynch wrote: >Hey all, > >Just a few _basic_ questions about LISP & Prologue... > >Which is easier first off? Also, how are they in terms of easyness and >comparibility with respect to C? And lastly, _is_ Linux the best >environment for programming 'em in? (unbiased answers expected ;)). > >Thanks, >Ross. >-- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Ross Lynch > >087 6548827 >ross@excentric.com >kernel@student.nuigalway.ie >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >-- >Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie >http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. >List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > > From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Wed Feb 2 19:33:57 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Job offer Message-ID: I have a little something needs doing - I need to use xv's ability to "autocrop" files. It's possible to make xv do this from the command line when it loads a file, but I want to save the cropped file. xv can also save files, but it is not scriptable, and I have thousands of files which need cropping. So, if any of you are familiar with the xv source (or are interested in becoming familiar with it) and would like to earn a few pounds, drop me a private mail. BTW neither netpbm nor ImageMagick do what I need (yes, they both crop, and IM even has what it calls autocrop but it's not functionally the same as xv) so don't bother suggesting them. Kindest regards, Niall O Broin From gmc at indigo.ie Wed Feb 2 19:43:39 2000 From: gmc at indigo.ie (gary mc closkey) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions References: <740BEBAE657ED311B0B00008C7FB1B0D1267@DUBLIN-GATE01> Message-ID: <002601bf6db6$38377fe0$adbd02d4@default> Hi, here's the sit.rep. ... Equipment: Dell Poweredge 2300 PERC2/SC RAID Controller 4x8.5GB SCSI HD, configured as RAID5 RH Linux 6.1, (2.2.12-20) Dell installed Problem: the scsi raid array is currently configured as /dev/sda1 .. /dev/sda9 . /, /home, /boot, /usr, swap, /var and /tmp are currently mounted on different partitions. So far so good, Except... /var is on sda8 and is too small to cope with the intended mail & printing files that will be generated in /var/spool . /tmp is currently a single partition of 17GB. I want to give /var more space , I want to reduce /tmp to something more reasonable, and use the remaining space for file sharing. To my mind, all I need to do is use fdisk to delete the /var and /tmp partitions, then recreate them with smaller sizes, and then add a new partition for the filesharing. Except this is all RAID based, and I'm scared that I'm missing a step and hence going to fsck things up. Please confirm, deny, suggest a better method. Addendum: slightly different problem - /home on sda2 is also probably going to be too small at 4GB. Can resizing be done, or will it require a re-install? TIA, Gary From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Wed Feb 2 19:47:02 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Job offer References: Message-ID: <3898899E.C9980798@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > I have a little something needs doing - I need to use xv's ability to > "autocrop" files. It's possible to make xv do this from the command line > when it loads a file, but I want to save the cropped file. xv can also > save files, but it is not scriptable, and I have thousands of files which > need cropping. So, if any of you are familiar with the xv source (or are > interested in becoming familiar with it) and would like to earn a few > pounds, drop me a private mail. > > BTW neither netpbm nor ImageMagick do what I need (yes, they both crop, > and IM even has what it calls autocrop but it's not functionally the same > as xv) so don't bother suggesting them. What's your private address? Vim From wesley at yelsew.com Wed Feb 2 20:36:03 2000 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions In-Reply-To: <002601bf6db6$38377fe0$adbd02d4@default>; from gary mc closkey on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 07:46:33PM -0000 References: <740BEBAE657ED311B0B00008C7FB1B0D1267@DUBLIN-GATE01> <002601bf6db6$38377fe0$adbd02d4@default> Message-ID: <20000202153558.A1204@pair.com> Hi, On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 07:46:33PM -0000, gary mc closkey wrote: > Hi, here's the sit.rep. ... > > Equipment: Dell Poweredge 2300 > PERC2/SC RAID Controller > 4x8.5GB SCSI HD, configured as RAID5 > RH Linux 6.1, (2.2.12-20) Dell installed > > Problem: > the scsi raid array is currently > configured as /dev/sda1 .. /dev/sda9 . > /, /home, /boot, /usr, swap, /var and /tmp are > currently mounted on different partitions. So far > so good, Except... > > /var is on sda8 and is too small to cope with the > intended mail & printing files that will be > generated in /var/spool . /tmp is currently a > single partition of 17GB. > > I want to give /var more space , > I want to reduce /tmp to something more > reasonable, and use the remaining space for file > sharing. > > To my mind, all I need to do is use fdisk to > delete the /var and /tmp partitions, then recreate > them with smaller sizes, and then add a new > partition for the filesharing. Except this is all > RAID based, and I'm scared that I'm missing a step > and hence going to fsck things up. > > Please confirm, deny, suggest a better method. > > > Addendum: slightly different problem - /home on sda2 is also probably going > to be too small at 4GB. Can resizing be done, or will it require a > re-install? You have a number of options... o Buy partition magic for windows. You can then download a binary for linux to resize ext2 partitions. I think it's called ext2resize. o There are a number of other ext2 resizers about - freshmeat.net is your friend. Also, the partition magic resizer had a clause that made it become GPLed sometime. That time might be here already. o Forget about resizing. Go to single user mode, "cp -dpR" the contents of /var to a partition with loads of room. Possibly do same for /tmp. Umount the partitions. Run fdisk. Make new filesystems. 4kb blocksizes for big filesystems. Check stri[pd]e size of your raid. See man page for mke2fs. Copy backups back. Triple check /etc/fstab. Enjoy. o If you're worried about /home being too small, it's a bit of a pain that it's near the beginning of the disk. You could just swap /tmp and /home, though It'll need some towers-of-hanoi style jiggery-pokery, but you can do it. :-) o Hardware raid - it's transparent to you. Treat the big raid as one logical disk. Just like you would any other *single* disk. There's nothing magical here. That's why linux calls it "sda". o If you /are/ reinstalling, consider raid 1. Keep, say, /home on one raid 1 array and everything else on another. With swap on both. Me, I *despise* raid 5 for its awful write performance. Especially on the controller you have. Benchmark. Disks are (relatively) cheap. o I think the megaraid driver presents multiple logical drives to linux as LUNs. So, you need to enable "probe multiple LUNs" in your kernel, if it isn't already enabled. (That is, if you eschew raid 5. :-) All the best, Wesley. From gmc at indigo.ie Wed Feb 2 21:31:27 2000 From: gmc at indigo.ie (Gary Mc Closkey) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> <20000202001102.C584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> Message-ID: <002801bf6dc5$4575dbc0$68bd02d4@default> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenn Humborg [snip] > Prolog (no -ue at the end) is a different beast completely. > It requires you to turn your brain inside out before you > start programming it. It's an inference language. You tell > it stuff (like John is big, Mary is small, Pat is small). > Then you ask if it a statement is true (is John small?), > or what values satisfy a statement (Who is small?). Ha - tame stuff! One of my college lecturers helped develop a language called FRIL (Fuzzy Relational Inference Language - I think). It was prolog with fuzzy logic and a couple of extras thrown in. Like prolog, you give it facts, but you can assign probability to the facts, or degrees of uncertainty, if you like. It also allowed you to handle concepts like 'unknown', which prolog can't. You could then ask 'questions', and it would be able to work out the answer, together with the probability of the answer. In terms of the probability of the facts, you could tell it things like, "I'm sure the fact is at least 10% true, and the most I'm sure the fact is true is 80%" - very useful when you have to introduce uncertainty incurred from measuring stuff. . I know it all sounds a bit like something out of a Douglas Adams novel, but apparently it was all kosher. It allowed you to do nifty things like control logic for inherently unstable systems (e.g. fly-by-wire aircraft, tower balancing on a movable platform) in a very small amount of code, where a more conventional language (C) might take hundreds/thousands of decision making statements. I think I still have an MSDOS version of the interpreter somewhere - I'll have to dig it out. Gary From pmcauley at iol.ie Wed Feb 2 23:13:18 2000 From: pmcauley at iol.ie (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: X question In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:25:01 GMT." Message-ID: <200002022302.XAA12131.pmcauley@iol.ie> On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:25:01 -0000 "Kenn Humborg" wrote: (Me): | > Maybe I was unclear. I have xkeycaps and the resulting xmodmap. | > What I want to | > do is configure it from XF86Config for a system-wide config, | > rather than from (snippage) | And since /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 is the same as /etc/X11, | you simply have to create /etc/X11/xinit/Xmodmap. Ngh. Of course the thing, you see, about your actual xmodmap, is that it _modifies_ the default system map, rather than setting it properly from the word go. Afterwards, I did a little poking around and came up with the following, in XF86Config change the XkbSymbols to read: XkbSymbols "en_US(pc105)+gb" Paul -- --- Paul Mc Auley -- The correct way to roll NT out is out the door and into the - nearest Dempster Dumpster or other large waste receptacle. -- Mike Andrews From kenn at linux.ie Thu Feb 3 00:54:40 2000 From: kenn at linux.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] LISP & Prologue In-Reply-To: <002801bf6dc5$4575dbc0$68bd02d4@default>; from Gary Mc Closkey on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 09:34:21PM -0000 References: <389775FD.B69D936D@excentric.com> <20000202001102.C584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> <002801bf6dc5$4575dbc0$68bd02d4@default> Message-ID: <20000203005406.A7753@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 09:34:21PM -0000, Gary Mc Closkey wrote: > In terms of the probability of the facts, you could tell it things like, > "I'm sure the fact is at least 10% true, and the most I'm sure the fact is > true is 80%" - very useful when you have to introduce uncertainty incurred > from measuring stuff. > > . I know it all sounds a bit like something out of a Douglas Adams novel, > but apparently it was all kosher. It allowed you to do nifty things like > control logic for inherently unstable systems (e.g. fly-by-wire aircraft, > tower balancing on a movable platform) in a very small amount of code, where > a more conventional language (C) might take hundreds/thousands of decision > making statements. Sounds pretty familiar. My final year project was a fuzzy logic controller for a motor. (It was certainly more intuitive to tune than a PID controller.) Although this sounds like they've taken to another step again... Incorporating experimental error. Cool! Later, Kenn From Peter.Heslin at ucd.ie Thu Feb 3 02:58:01 2000 From: Peter.Heslin at ucd.ie (Peter Heslin) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Looking for Information In-Reply-To: ; from Eleanor Duff on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 02:30:34PM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20000203025611.A7222@fas.harvard.edu> On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 02:30:34PM -0000, Eleanor Duff wrote: > Does anyone anything about converting a Perl script from Linux/Unix for > use in an NT enviornment? > I have a contact HTML form running off an Apache Server. Aperl script > grabs the information, puts it to the screen in HTML format, so the > customer can see what they have sent, the it opens the sendmail utility > on the Unix box and sends it to me in the format of an e-mail with the > data collected, listed in it. I've heard that Sendmail has been ported to NT, so installing that might be one way to go (but I have no experience with it myself). > I wish to replicate the forms on my IIS server, and use the Perl forms > to call a MS-DOS based mailing program. Is there anyway of doing this > conversion, a utility or script I can use that will allow the batch file > to be called? > You could easily rewrite the relevant bit of the script to use a more platform independent module instead of calling sendmail directly. Install the MailTools bundle on the NT box by downloading the .ppm binary from www.activestate.com. Then install it on the linux box: perl -MCPAN -e shell and type install Mail::Send at the prompt. Cutting and pasting from the manual, the code you need to write will look something like this: require Mail::Send; $msg = new Mail::Send; $msg = new Mail::Send Subject=>'example subject', To=>'user@host'; # Launch mailer and set headers. The filehandle returned # by open() is an instance of the Mail::Mailer class. $fh = $msg->open; # This is where you output your data, using the print command. print $fh "Body of message"; $fh->close; # complete the message and send it HTH, Peter Check out the documentation to Mail::Mailer. IIRC, it tries several options: it'll use Sendmail if its available, but failing that, it can send SMTP directly to the server of your choice. There's a note on this in perldoc perlfaq9 and for all the mail modules you could want, see: http://search.cpan.org/search?mode=module&query=mail Make sure that the module of your choice is also available as a .ppm binary for Windows at www.activestate.com. I see a bundle there called MailTools, which should contain Mail::Send. Once your improved script runs on the Linux box, it should then run on NT, provided that the necessary module has been installed there. Peter From poneil at hushmail.com Thu Feb 3 09:10:20 2000 From: poneil at hushmail.com (poneil@hushmail.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] MySql Message-ID: <200002030908.BAA28919@mail2.hushmail.com> Using MySql. Root gets email with this message: errors occured while rotating /var/lib/mysql/mysql.log stat of /var/mysql/mysql.log failed: no such file or directory what is going on here and how do I get rid of it. thanks IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are not using HushMail, this message could have been read easily by the many people who have access to your open personal email messages. Get your FREE, totally secure email address at http://www.hushmail.com. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Feb 3 09:49:48 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] MySql References: <200002030908.BAA28919@mail2.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <38994DFD.8B1FDF41@tradesignals.com> Did you uninstall Mysql or change your hostname? Look in /etc/logrotate.d/ there should be a file in there called mysql, edit that and remove/change the offending line that points at the log file. Donncha. poneil@hushmail.com wrote: > > Using MySql. Root gets email with this message: > > errors occured while rotating > /var/lib/mysql/mysql.log > stat of /var/mysql/mysql.log failed: no such file or directory > > what is going on here and how do I get rid of it. thanks > From sullivad at piercom.ie Thu Feb 3 09:57:46 2000 From: sullivad at piercom.ie (Damian O'Sullivan) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Scan modem Message-ID: Hi, Apologies but have to make an order fast so don't have time to look into it. Anyone know any of the modems from scan that are linux compatible? 56K of course.. Cheers, Damian. From cmcclean at ait.ie Thu Feb 3 10:00:00 2000 From: cmcclean at ait.ie (Cormac McClean) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! References: <20000202181644.32851.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <38995371.97A6C2BB@ait.ie> Michael Treacy wrote: > > >We could even tailor things for the Irish curriculum, e.g. Linux > >software > >that follows the Leaving Cert Maths, Science, , curricula. I > > That's a great idea! I work in a school and there is no software out there > that is specific to the Irish curriculum. No problem getting GCSE or O/A > Level stuff, but nothing for the Junior/Leaving Cert. > > Mike Is this a real possibility? That is, producing Linux software tailored to the Irish Secondary School curriculum? I would be happy to be involved in producing Maths/Physics/Applied Maths software instructional aids. However, there's little point in producing fantastic Linux software for schools (and it can be fantastic - the Learning Logic software package that John mentioned looks very good http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/9586/). if schools aren't using Linux and have no awareness of the advantages of Linux. My experience after 2 years of Secondary school teaching (as Maths/Computers) was that many Secondary Schools are just beginning to realise the potential of computer technologies (and some haven't even realised), but unfortunately, for most of these schools Computers = Microsoft, i.e. even Office suites running on Win95/98 don't get a look in if they're not Microsoft Office. Linux wouldn't be in the picture at all. Maybe this isn't an accurate reflection of the future of Linux in schools? If it is, maybe we should get involved in raising the profile of Linux in schools. I would see a 2-pronged attack: providing technical assistance and support in setting up and maintaining the Linux OS, and providing excellent software tailored to the Irish curriculum. Maybe we could target a friendly school and try it out as a pilot scheme? Is this a bit far-fetched? Mind you, this is not idle talk - I would be eager to get involved, e.g. if there were one or two people in the Midlands / West we could co-ordinate, pick a school as a pilot project, de-Bill it and, in conjunction with the school, develop educational software running on Linux, tailored to the Irish curriculum in general, and to the needs of the school in particular. After a year or so we could assess and decide if it's worth proceeding. Any thoughts? Cormac. From okelly at solas-data.ie Thu Feb 3 10:07:45 2000 From: okelly at solas-data.ie (Owen Kelly) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Scan Modems Message-ID: <200002031007.KAA02646@lugh.tuatha.org> The guys at Scan are very very helpful, just tell them you dont want a PnP Modem, and you dont want a winmodem, they'll look after the brand name, make and model. -- Owen Kelly, okelly@solas-data.ie on 02/03/2000 at 10:06:07 From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Thu Feb 3 10:07:59 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Scan modem References: Message-ID: <3899537A.FDBED285@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > Hi, > > Apologies but have to make an order fast so don't have time to look into > it. Anyone know any of the modems from scan that are linux compatible? 56K > of course.. Do not trust scan sales people further than you can fsck a doughnut. They *will* tell you things that are incorrect, whether through ignorance or malice. Get specific model numbers for modems and go away and look them up on the manufacturer's website. If they won't give you those details, don't buy it. I know of at least one case in which they swore blind that it was a hardware modem when it most definitely was *not* : it was a winmodem clone. Anything external is fine, btw : none of those are winmodems. Also, if you're only buying a modem, check out pricing on shipping, and convert to IEP inc VAT before you confirm : you could easily wind up thinking '45 for modem, 20 for shipping', and not realise that it'll set you back 100 IEP when all's said and done. If you're up to that level you're far better off buying a good brand locally in Peats : you can look at it before you buy it, and you can go back very easily if there's a problem. Vin P.S. If you're not in Dublin, substitute a local equivalent to Peats ;-) From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Thu Feb 3 10:13:51 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81A8@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > You have a number of options... > > o Buy partition magic for windows. You can then download a > binary for linux > to resize ext2 partitions. I think it's called ext2resize. > the partition magic programme is called resize2fs. ext2resize is GPL, and actually seems to work better than resize2fs. (eg it handles 4KB block fs's) > o If you /are/ reinstalling, consider raid 1. Keep, say, > /home on one raid > 1 array and everything else on another. With swap on both. > Me, I *despise* > raid 5 for its awful write performance. but RAID5 makes a lot more efficient use of disk space. Check in the RAID controllers setup utility for an option to set "Write-Back". This improves things greatly. ( but computer must be on a UPS). Also, regarding the resizing stuff, check out LVM: linux.msede.com/lvm This basically gives you 'virtual' disks and partitions, and allows you to resize them on the fly. Ie, you would have a small / (~200MB), the rest of your array you would allocate to LVM. Then you define LV's (logical volumes) which are 'virtual partitions' which you can format and mount. And if ever you need to rearrange things: lvextend lvreduce :) -paul. From owen at linux.ie Thu Feb 3 10:20:45 2000 From: owen at linux.ie (Owen Kelly) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Scan Modems Message-ID: <200002031020.KAA03350@lugh.tuatha.org> Well, Ive been happy with Scan each time Ive ordered, and when I did *once* and once only have a prob with my dvd drive, I rung, and a new one was sent out, the old one collected ... from the UK. Thats service. -- Owen Kelly, owen@linux.ie on 02/03/2000 at 10:19:10 From kernel at esatclear.ie Thu Feb 3 10:23:02 2000 From: kernel at esatclear.ie (Ross Lynch) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] [Half-OT] Intersocs? Message-ID: <389956EA.C8B5A203@esatclear.ie> Hey all, I heard that the Intersocs conference was on in Limerick this year - I'm just wondering if it's another joint ILUG affair ala Galway? Thanks, Ross. -- Ross Lynch 087 6548827 ross@excentric.com kernel@student.nuigalway.ie From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Thu Feb 3 10:25:10 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Scan Modems References: <200002031020.KAA03350@lugh.tuatha.org> Message-ID: <38995781.83A01CC5@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > Well, Ive been happy with Scan each time Ive ordered, and when I did *once* and once > only have a prob with my dvd drive, I rung, and a new one was sent out, the old one > collected ... from the UK. Thats service. Well, I've been dealing with them quite a bit, frequently for lots of money and with lots of components, and in general they're quite good to deal with. However, I stand by what I said about their sales-people : they are not always competent at their jobs, they *will* sometimes make factually incorrect statements about their stock, and you should independently check everything they say. Vin From dave.wilson at heanet.ie Thu Feb 3 11:07:38 2000 From: dave.wilson at heanet.ie (Dave Wilson) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] cu on Red Hat Message-ID: <20000203110736.C9435@urda.heanet.ie> Two questions about cu on Red Hat 6.0/Mandrake 6.0 * It insists on /dev/ttyS0 being world-writable, else it complains "permission denied; line in use". crwxrwxr-x won't do, even though its owner is root, group tty. Any way of having more restrictive permissions there? * I can set even parity (-e), I can set the use of a stop bit (--nostop). Can I set it to use 7 data bits instead of 8? Cheers, Dave -- dave.wilson@heanet.ie --------------------------------------- +353-1-662-3412 It is one thing to pray; it is another to pray to entities who might not only be listening, but who will search you out on the road and beat you across the head with sticks if you say something that offends them. -- Neil Gaiman ------------------ For crypto key send a blank message to davew+pgp@heanet.ie From djgorman at esatclear.ie Thu Feb 3 11:22:47 2000 From: djgorman at esatclear.ie (Dermot Gorman) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] maximum mount check forced Message-ID: <3899604F.B62AF488@esatclear.ie> why does my system on boot up give the error of maximal mount reached and then force a check of partitions hda3, hda5, hda6 even when theres plenty of space, as you can see from df... Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda7 253775 62607 178066 26% / /dev/hda5 398250 39520 338169 10% /home /dev/hda6 101485 214 96031 0% /tmp /dev/hda3 809588 672824 95640 88% /usr /dev/hda1 2096320 1422016 674304 68% /mnt/hda1 -- --------------------------- djgorman@esatclear.ie 086-8819704 --------------------------- From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Thu Feb 3 11:26:50 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] linux virtual server project/load balancing etc.. Message-ID: <389964E8.60126A43@tradesignals.com> Red Hat 6.1 has support for the LVS! It includes a GUI tool for doing some configuration and docs can be found in /usr/doc/piranha-0.2.1/ and /usr/doc/piranha-docs-0.2.1/ if Piranha is installed. The links at http://www.LinuxVirtualServer.org/lmb/LVS-Announce.html provide for some good reading too. Donncha. From wesley at yelsew.com Thu Feb 3 11:31:14 2000 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions In-Reply-To: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81A8@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net>; from Jakma, Paul on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 10:13:43AM -0000 References: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81A8@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20000203063112.A1215@pair.com> Hi all, On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 10:13:43AM -0000, Jakma, Paul wrote: > the partition magic programme is called resize2fs. ext2resize is GPL, and > actually seems to work better than resize2fs. (eg it handles 4KB block fs's) The implication being that resize2fs doesn't handle 4kb blocksizes correctly. Eeeek. Scary! :-) > > o If you /are/ reinstalling, consider raid 1. Keep, say, > > /home on one raid > > 1 array and everything else on another. With swap on both. > > Me, I *despise* > > raid 5 for its awful write performance. > > but RAID5 makes a lot more efficient use of disk space. Check in the RAID > controllers setup utility for an option to set "Write-Back". This improves > things greatly. ( but computer must be on a UPS). Sorry, hadn't considered the possibility that somebody might do raid5 without writeback enabled. *Shudder* Even with writeback, any raid5 implementation I've used (*) has sucked. You fill up the the writeback cache and everything goes dog slow. Even with, say, 128MB of bb writeback cache, you can fill it up too easily, and it empties at a handful of megabytes a second. :-( (*) Of course, I've only ever used sucky raid5 implementations. :-) DPT and Megaraid, and a couple of yellow pack dedicated external arrays. What are the others, like Mylex and ICP like? How about dedicated external boxes like compaq's storageworkses...? As for the disk space issue, disks are cheap. Raid5 is great where you have far too much `legacy' data which needs to be accessible, but which never gets changed. I don't believe it's appropriate for partitions like /tmp, /var and even /home, especially on a megaraid with a small amount of writeback cache. And as for swap... :-) Wesley. From dave.wilson at heanet.ie Thu Feb 3 11:33:03 2000 From: dave.wilson at heanet.ie (Dave Wilson) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] maximum mount check forced In-Reply-To: <3899604F.B62AF488@esatclear.ie>; from djgorman@esatclear.ie on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 11:02:39AM +0000 References: <3899604F.B62AF488@esatclear.ie> Message-ID: <20000203113301.D9435@urda.heanet.ie> > why does my system on boot up give the error of maximal mount reached > and then force a check of partitions hda3, hda5, hda6 even when theres > plenty of space, as you can see from df... It's not referring to disk space. Linux will generally force an fsck under the following conditions: * A partition wasn't unmounted cleanly * It's been a long time since this partition was checked * A partition has been mounted, cleanly, many times since the last fsck ("maximal mount count") You should only get this message on occasional boots; if you get it every time, something's wrong. Dave -- dave.wilson@heanet.ie --------------------------------------- +353-1-662-3412 It is one thing to pray; it is another to pray to entities who might not only be listening, but who will search you out on the road and beat you across the head with sticks if you say something that offends them. -- Neil Gaiman ------------------ For crypto key send a blank message to davew+pgp@heanet.ie From leo at maths.tcd.ie Thu Feb 3 11:34:27 2000 From: leo at maths.tcd.ie (Leo Talbot) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] maximum mount check forced In-Reply-To: <3899604F.B62AF488@esatclear.ie> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Dermot Gorman wrote: > why does my system on boot up give the error of maximal mount reached > and then force a check of partitions hda3, hda5, hda6 even when theres > plenty of space, as you can see from df... The mount count has nothing got to do with the space left on the partitions, it has to do with the number of times that partition has been mounted. After every X mountings (not sure what X is...its about 20...I think), the system runs fsck on the partition to make sure that everything's alright. I'm not sure if X can be changed or not... Leo -- I've got green eyes, red hair, and I'm left handed. A hundred years ago, I'd have been considered in league with the Devil. http://www.cs.tcd.ie/Leo.Talbot PGP: RSA 1024 0x341E0EBD fp=79940BEB A9F22827 E524F100 9C83D34A From wesley at yelsew.com Thu Feb 3 11:40:05 2000 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] maximum mount check forced In-Reply-To: <3899604F.B62AF488@esatclear.ie>; from Dermot Gorman on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 11:02:39AM +0000 References: <3899604F.B62AF488@esatclear.ie> Message-ID: <20000203064003.B1215@pair.com> Hi, On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 11:02:39AM +0000, Dermot Gorman wrote: > why does my system on boot up give the error of maximal mount reached > and then force a check of partitions hda3, hda5, hda6 even when theres > plenty of space, as you can see from df... > > Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda7 253775 62607 178066 26% / > /dev/hda5 398250 39520 338169 10% /home > /dev/hda6 101485 214 96031 0% /tmp > /dev/hda3 809588 672824 95640 88% /usr > /dev/hda1 2096320 1422016 674304 68% /mnt/hda1 When you've mounted a filesystem N times without doing a fsck on it, the boot process decides to fsck the filesystem, just for the hell of it. N is usually 20, IIRC, and is usually the same for all filesystems. [ Murphy's law says that this process is initiated when you can least afford the time for it. :-] A trick I read about once is to set the maximal mount counts on the bigger partitions to be different, ideally relatively prime (to each other). Go to single user mode, unmount the relevant filesystems and use "tune2fs -c" to set the counts. In your case, /dev/hda1 is a prime candidate for having a separate max mount count than the other filesystems. The default, IIRC, is 20. Set the mmc of /dev/hda1 to 21 using tune2fs. Wesley. PS. Of course, making them relatively prime is overkill if you don't reboot your boxes very often. Just as long as all the big ones are unlikely to all want fscked at the same time. From paul at baltimore.ie Thu Feb 3 11:42:38 2000 From: paul at baltimore.ie (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: maximum mount check forced In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 Feb 2000 11:34:13 GMT." Message-ID: <32715.949578109@cougar.baltimore.ie> On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:34:13 +0000 (GMT) Leo Talbot wrote: | On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Dermot Gorman wrote: | > why does my system on boot up give the error of maximal mount reached | > and then force a check of partitions hda3, hda5, hda6 even when theres | > plenty of space, as you can see from df... | The mount count has nothing got to do with the space left on the partitions, | it has to do with the number of times that partition has been mounted. | After every X mountings (not sure what X is...its about 20...I think), the | system runs fsck on the partition to make sure that everything's alright. | I'm not sure if X can be changed or not... It can, using tune2fs. This is particularly useful if you are using a laptop (which goes through the boot cycle rather more often). The drill is to bring the machine up in single user mode and "tune2fs -c /dev/" Paul From fvacuum at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 11:51:09 2000 From: fvacuum at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Ronny=20Bangsund?=) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000203115052.18505.qmail@web704.mail.yahoo.com> Seen on linuxgames.com, badly mangled, cut, pasted, forwarded and then rearranged so I could post it ;) > Lionhead lead designer Peter Molyneux has stated in an IRC > question and answer session held on 3dnet #lionhead today > that Lionhead will attempt to port their upcoming sim Black > and White to the Linux platform: I was drooling copiously at this part. > (Peter_M) yes: we hope to do a lixus[sic] Ignoring his dycslesia, I almost creamed my trousers (can you say that on ILUG? If not, please censor) > version, and we are also considering a Mac version, simple > if it were not for the 1 button mouse. > (Peter_M) wh|2: Yes The Linux will be in a > sepperate box cos we will not do the conversion until the > end of the game Seems like a petition isn't really necessary (they first said 'Windoze only', but have changed their minds. Yay! I smile now :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From paul at baltimore.ie Thu Feb 3 11:51:40 2000 From: paul at baltimore.ie (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: maximum mount check forced In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 Feb 2000 06:40:03 EST." Message-ID: <302.949578685@cougar.baltimore.ie> On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:40:03 -0500 Wesley Darlington wrote: | PS. Of course, making them relatively prime is overkill if you don't | reboot your boxes very often. Just as long as all the big ones are | unlikely to all want fscked at the same time. In that case, you'll get bitten by the time since last check condition. :) I think relative primes are a bit of a red herring, consecutive counts should be fine as they will gradually drift apart (20,21,22; 40,42,44; 60,64,66). Paul From phil_trickett at bigfoot.com Thu Feb 3 12:09:09 2000 From: phil_trickett at bigfoot.com (Philip Trickett) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Scan Modems In-Reply-To: <38995781.83A01CC5@arbgroup.com> Message-ID: Just to go slightly off topic, I am looking for a modem (either internal or external) that will work with the Irish Caller ID system. I have not ordered from Scan before, but does anyone who has a modem from them (or anywhere else), have a model that works with caller ID? (If someone answers, I'll list the makes and models on a web page) Phil Trickett From John.Kinsella at ul.ie Thu Feb 3 12:10:26 2000 From: John.Kinsella at ul.ie (John Kinsella) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Maple link to Matlab under Linux X Message-ID: <3899702C.3366CE44@ul.ie> Hi, a specialised topic this but the question is generic to some extent. The new release (Maple V R 5.1) of Maple has a facility to communicate with Matlab which is a good thing. Works fine for me when I run Maple in command line mode but when I run X version of Maple & try >with(Matlab); Maple crashes having displayed a Motif-type query window for a tiny fraction of a second. The Matlab splash window gets displayed so Maple clearly is talking to Matlab - however briefly. Two questions: 1) Is there any way of capturing transients like this - I've tried strace but it doesn't display contents of query window. 2) Any idea why Maple-Matlab link should work in text mode but not in X mode. Thanks, John -- John A. Kinsella Ph: +353-61-202148 (Direct) +353-61-333644 x 2148 (Switch) Mathematics Dept. e-mail: John.Kinsella@ul.ie University of Limerick FAX: +353-61-334927 IRELAND www: http://jkcray3.maths.ul.ie/~kinsella/ From cmc at stardivision.de Thu Feb 3 12:16:32 2000 From: cmc at stardivision.de (Caolan McNamara) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] re: matlab crash Message-ID: <20000203.12165949@cmc-11117.stardiv.de> In the absence of any instant solutions anyone, run the crashing client with strace i.e. strace mathlab and send to interested parties, I'll take a look myself for instance. C. From drjolt+ilug at redbrick.dcu.ie Thu Feb 3 12:21:13 2000 From: drjolt+ilug at redbrick.dcu.ie (David Murphy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Scan modem In-Reply-To: <3899537A.FDBED285@arbgroup.com>; from vcunniff@arbgroup.com on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 10:07:54AM +0000 References: <3899537A.FDBED285@arbgroup.com> Message-ID: <20000203122110.A5412@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Quoting <3899537A.FDBED285@arbgroup.com> by Vincent Cunniffe : > Do not trust scan sales people further than you can fsck a doughnut. :s/scan\ //g > They *will* tell you things that are incorrect, whether through > ignorance or malice. Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by ignorance. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key From wesley at yelsew.com Thu Feb 3 12:24:52 2000 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: maximum mount check forced In-Reply-To: <302.949578685@cougar.baltimore.ie>; from Paul Mc Auley on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 11:51:25AM +0000 References: <302.949578685@cougar.baltimore.ie> Message-ID: <20000203072449.A11427@pair.com> Hi, On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 11:51:25AM +0000, Paul Mc Auley wrote: > On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:40:03 -0500 > Wesley Darlington wrote: > | PS. Of course, making them relatively prime is overkill if you don't > | reboot your boxes very often. Just as long as all the big ones are > | unlikely to all want fscked at the same time. > In that case, you'll get bitten by the time since last check condition. :) Ah yes - thanks! Of course, All Right Thinking People (TM) set this to zero. *grin* > I think relative primes are a bit of a red herring, consecutive counts should > be fine as they will gradually drift apart (20,21,22; 40,42,44; 60,64,66). Agreed - making them relatively prime is overkill. Wesley. From murphyv at student.cs.ucc.ie Thu Feb 3 12:34:42 2000 From: murphyv at student.cs.ucc.ie (Vincent Murphy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] scan ISDN TA Message-ID: <20000203122857.A21428@student.cs.ucc.ie> on http://www.scan.co.uk/modems.htm there's a ISDN TA described as "ASUS-ISDN PCI 128K ISDN Adaptor with Analogue Port" for 38 pounds sterling. has anybody used one of these with linux? and what's the analogue port for? -vinny . From paul at baltimore.ie Thu Feb 3 12:41:46 2000 From: paul at baltimore.ie (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: scan ISDN TA In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:28:57 GMT." Message-ID: <890.949581680@cougar.baltimore.ie> On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:28:57 +0000 Vincent Murphy wrote: | on http://www.scan.co.uk/modems.htm there's a ISDN TA described as | "ASUS-ISDN PCI 128K ISDN Adaptor with Analogue Port" for 38 pounds sterling. | has anybody used one of these with linux? and what's the analogue port for? If it's like every other TA I've ever used, it's for plugging analog devices into :). (i.e. handset, fax, modem). Paul From akeaveney at eircom.net Thu Feb 3 12:45:47 2000 From: akeaveney at eircom.net (Alan Keaveney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: "pure" Linux - Linux From Scratch Message-ID: Only came across this myself today, http://huizen.dds.nl/~glb/ It describes, in some detail, how to go about building a "pure" Linux system from scratch. Building sources, configuration of a lot of simpler but better (imho) tools such as vim/wmaker/ etc. Another alternative is to have a look at working from some mini distributions, do a search on freshmeat, but giving the amount of Disk Space u have mentioned, maybe that would be far too small. regards, Alan. From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Thu Feb 3 13:08:29 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AB@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > The implication being that resize2fs doesn't handle 4kb blocksizes > correctly. Eeeek. Scary! :-) > don't worry. resize2fs just refuses to resize 4kb fs's. It doesn't mangle them. > Sorry, hadn't considered the possibility that somebody might do raid5 > without writeback enabled. *Shudder* > well.. writeback is very dangerous. Especially with any kind of journalling fs, in which case you should not use writeback without proper protection, eg your controller should have a battery backup module. > Even with writeback, any raid5 implementation I've used (*) > has sucked. You then the controller is parity-bound. RAID5 should be faster at writing than RAID1 if the controller can do the parity calculations fast enough. > fill up the the writeback cache and everything goes dog slow. > Even with, > say, 128MB of bb writeback cache, you can fill it up too easily, and > it empties at a handful of megabytes a second. :-( > > (*) Of course, I've only ever used sucky raid5 implementations. :-) > DPT and Megaraid, and a couple of yellow pack dedicated external > arrays. What are the others, like Mylex and ICP like? How about > dedicated external boxes like compaq's storageworkses...? > Mylex is pretty decent iirc. At least 10MB/s block output from bonnie i think (4mb cache writeback, old DAC960-PDU). I'll try find a box to run some tests on. Best way to judge them imo is to look at the CPU, as it will determine the RAID5 performance. The older DAC960's were i960 based, and even the slowest of them, i960CF@25MHz on the DAC960-PDU that i used was still reasonably fast. Newer DAC960 use i960 @ 33 and 66MHz and the ExtremeRAID's use StrongARM chips which should be very fast. The older Compaq SMARTarray-2's were AMD 29K based. Never benchmarked them, but they seemed decent. I've no idea what the new range of Compaq controllers use - never seen them. I assume they're faster than the older kit. I've never used external arrays, so can't comment. But i guess they're very very expensive. > As for the disk space issue, disks are cheap. Raid5 is great > where you disks are cheap.. true. But i'd rather have 27GB of disk space with RAID5 than 18GB with RAID1. And RAID5 is much faster for reads, and should be decent for writes if the controller is up to it. Why waste 16% drive space, (25% with 4 drives!!). Rack space isn't cheap either. And if money isn't a problem, then why not spend it on a beefier controller? Then you can have everything... -paul. From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Thu Feb 3 13:42:03 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: scan ISDN TA References: <890.949581680@cougar.baltimore.ie> Message-ID: <389985A5.48CAB4DB@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 12:28:57 +0000 > Vincent Murphy wrote: > | on http://www.scan.co.uk/modems.htm there's a ISDN TA described as > | "ASUS-ISDN PCI 128K ISDN Adaptor with Analogue Port" for 38 pounds sterling. > > | has anybody used one of these with linux? and what's the analogue port for? > > If it's like every other TA I've ever used, it's for plugging analog devices > into :). (i.e. handset, fax, modem). It is listed as being compatible with Linux (it bloody well better be, coz I bought one ;-) and the analogue port is exactly the same as on a modem : it's an analogue passthrough that you can plug a phone, modem or fax machine into. Now if only the tossers in Eircom would install the ISDN line : currently 4 months late and holding. Vin From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Thu Feb 3 13:55:09 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] This User group and Out of office. In-Reply-To: <740BEBAE657ED311B0B00008C7FB1B0D1265@DUBLIN-GATE01>; from wayne.comerford@bowneglobal.ie on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 06:14:38PM -0000 References: <740BEBAE657ED311B0B00008C7FB1B0D1265@DUBLIN-GATE01> Message-ID: <20000203135405.G938@online.ie> On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 06:14:38PM -0000, Comerford, Wayne mentioned: > > Hi Guys, > > I need to setup my out of office here in work for a few days. > I read somewhere that it's "Very Bad Show" to have your out of office on > while being a member of a mail group and I'd have to unsubscribe to the > group before I apply my out of office. > Out of Office causes mails to be sent to everybody on the mail group and not > just the sender. Go to: http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug and set the "don't send me mail for few days" option. Kate -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Thu Feb 3 13:56:53 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Scan modem In-Reply-To: <20000203122110.A5412@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>; from drjolt+ilug@redbrick.dcu.ie on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 12:21:11PM +0000 References: <3899537A.FDBED285@arbgroup.com> <20000203122110.A5412@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <20000203135548.H938@online.ie> On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 12:21:11PM +0000, David Murphy mentioned: > > They *will* tell you things that are incorrect, whether through > > ignorance or malice. > Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by ignorance. Or lazyness. "I could look in the book, or I could just make it up..." Kate -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Thu Feb 3 13:58:50 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] maximum mount check forced In-Reply-To: <3899604F.B62AF488@esatclear.ie>; from djgorman@esatclear.ie on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 11:02:39AM +0000 References: <3899604F.B62AF488@esatclear.ie> Message-ID: <20000203135746.I938@online.ie> On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 11:02:39AM +0000, Dermot Gorman mentioned: > why does my system on boot up give the error of maximal mount reached > and then force a check of partitions hda3, hda5, hda6 even when theres > plenty of space, as you can see from df... Don't panic. And "fsck" is just a "FileSystem ChecK". Sorta like Scandisk in Dos/windows. It's a good thing. It'll make sure you don't have files that weren't deleted or grown properly etc. Linux checks your disks every boot, and thinks "Hmm. They haven't been checked lately". It's a good thing. Trust me. Kate -- Do you have a problem with American Mulitnationals forcing the arrest of a Norwegian 16 year old, because he made them look like fools by cracking DVD encryption, so he could play his own DVDs, and then sharing his DVD player ? Sign the petition: http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/protesteng.php From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Thu Feb 3 14:04:13 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] OT ISDN availibility (was Re: scan ISDN TA) Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AC@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > Now if only the tossers in Eircom would install the ISDN line > : currently > 4 months late and holding. > yeah.. what's the story there. I ordered one in November and they said they'd just have to install another ISDN port in our local exchange, take 6 weeks max then they'd install it at my home. Havn't heard anything since. I thought Eircom had promised to clean up their ISDN act? > Vin > From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Thu Feb 3 14:05:34 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Scan modem References: <3899537A.FDBED285@arbgroup.com> <20000203122110.A5412@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> <20000203135548.H938@online.ie> Message-ID: <38998B29.6C047928@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 12:21:11PM +0000, David Murphy mentioned: > > > They *will* tell you things that are incorrect, whether through > > > ignorance or malice. > > Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by ignorance. > > Or lazyness. "I could look in the book, or I could just make it up..." Well, I am certain that at least one of their salespeople knowingly lied to me on the phone about the nature of a piece of equipment, twice. Vin P.S. This is my private opinion, obviously. From 962264N at knotes.kodak.com Thu Feb 3 14:05:56 2000 From: 962264N at knotes.kodak.com (962264N@knotes.kodak.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Mailing list Message-ID: <8525687A.004BD36E.00@knotes.kodak.com> From: Fergal Moran What software is being used to maintain the ILUG mailing list - and does the web interface com at http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug com with it? Cheers, Fergal From colm at tuatha.org Thu Feb 3 14:09:38 2000 From: colm at tuatha.org (Colm Buckley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Mailing list In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 03 Feb 2000 14:07:13 GMT Message-ID: <200002031409.OAA16687@dagda.tuatha.org> Fergal Moran writes: > What software is being used to maintain the ILUG mailing list - and does > the web interface com at http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug com with > it? The package is called Mailman - http://www.list.org/ has all the info. Yes, the web interface comes with it; most administration etc. of the lists is done through the web. Colm -- Colm Buckley B.A. B.F. # colm@tuatha.org # +353 87 2469146 http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ # whois cb3765 Pardon my driving, I'm reloading. From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Thu Feb 3 14:09:53 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: OT ISDN availibility (was Re: scan ISDN TA) References: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AC@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <38998C26.A645A647@arbgroup.com> "Jakma, Paul" wrote: > > > Now if only the tossers in Eircom would install the ISDN line > > : currently > > 4 months late and holding. > > > > yeah.. what's the story there. I ordered one in November and they said > they'd just have to install another ISDN port in our local exchange, take 6 > weeks max then they'd install it at my home. Havn't heard anything since. > > I thought Eircom had promised to clean up their ISDN act? Never believe anything told to you by sales : find a friendly engineer and ask them the real story. They have practically *nothing* installed in the way of ISDN capacity, they don't seem to be able to bring anything additional online, and they basically don't give a fsck. Then they do something woefully stupid like run a substandard line from the exchange to my house... way to go, guys. The 4-month waiting period was explained to me as being a result of my living in Blackrock, but it doesn't explain the two occasions in work (centre of Dublin) where they took two months to install a pair of ISDN lines each time. Wake up and smell the coffee, Eircom. Vin From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Thu Feb 3 14:11:55 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Mailing list In-Reply-To: <8525687A.004BD36E.00@knotes.kodak.com>; from 962264N@knotes.kodak.com on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 02:07:13PM +0000 References: <8525687A.004BD36E.00@knotes.kodak.com> Message-ID: <20000203141050.A1257@online.ie> On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 02:07:13PM +0000, 962264N@knotes.kodak.com mentioned: > What software is being used to maintain the ILUG mailing list - and does > the web interface com at http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug com with > it? ^^^^^ Mailman perchance ? Kate From wesley at yelsew.com Thu Feb 3 14:53:36 2000 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions In-Reply-To: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AB@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net>; from Jakma, Paul on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 01:08:20PM -0000 References: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AB@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20000203095333.A22756@pair.com> Hi, On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 01:08:20PM -0000, Jakma, Paul wrote: > > Sorry, hadn't considered the possibility that somebody might do raid5 > > without writeback enabled. *Shudder* > > well.. writeback is very dangerous. Especially with any kind of journalling > fs, in which case you should not use writeback without proper protection, eg > your controller should have a battery backup module. Agreed. > then the controller is parity-bound. RAID5 should be faster at writing than > RAID1 if the controller can do the parity calculations fast enough. Inclined to disagree here. No matter how fast the raid5 implementation, it still has to do two reads (data and parity blocks), a parity calculation and two writes (data and parity blocks) for every individual write. A raid1 only has to do two writes, and no parity calculation. Quite apart from the extra work, the raid5 scenario has a serialisation issue - it has to read twice, *then* calculate parity, *then* write twice. The raid1 scenario only involves two writes which can Just Happen. > Mylex is pretty decent iirc. At least 10MB/s block output from bonnie i > think (4mb cache writeback, old DAC960-PDU). I'll try find a box to run some > tests on. 10MB/s is fairly respectable. Nice. > > As for the disk space issue, disks are cheap. Raid5 is great > > where you > > disks are cheap.. true. But i'd rather have 27GB of disk space with RAID5 > than 18GB with RAID1. And RAID5 is much faster for reads, and should be > decent for writes if the controller is up to it. Why waste 16% drive space, > (25% with 4 drives!!). Rack space isn't cheap either. Fair enough. Me, if I was pretty sure I was only going to use 18GB, I'd go with the 18GB raid1 over the 27GB raid5. If I needed 27GB, I'd prob just get more disks and raid1 or raid1+0 them. :-) As you say, rack space isn't cheap. And when there are *lots* of disks to be raid-ed, raid5 looks more and more attractive. Especially if the data is pretty much static. I don't accept that raid5 is necessarily faster at reading either, though. Any raid1 controller worth its salt will interleave requests onto both disks in a pair. Any raid1 controller worth its salt will also trivially do striping (1+0/0+1). (*) > And if money isn't a problem, then why not spend it on a beefier controller? > Then you can have everything... :-) Other reasons I like raid1 (and its striped friends) are: o In theory, Up to half of the disks in an array can fail and still have the array accessible with no performance degradation. You can even get a performance improvement. :-) o Beyond a certain point, cost of backup starts to make the cost of disk *drives* look trivial and the cost of (filled) disk *space* look more and more expensive. Raid1 treats the cost of disks drives with contempt and disk *space* with reverence. o If I want redundancy and performance, raid1 is my friend. If I just want performance, I'll go with raid0. If I just want redundancy, I'll go with raid5. It's been a while since I wanted redundancy without performance. :-) Wesley. (*) Instead of classical raid1 over multiple pairs - where "once one pair is full, it starts on the second". Eugh. From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Thu Feb 3 15:32:56 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AE@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > > then the controller is parity-bound. RAID5 should be faster > at writing than > > RAID1 if the controller can do the parity calculations fast enough. > > Inclined to disagree here. No matter how fast the raid5 > implementation, > it still has to do two reads (data and parity blocks), a > parity calculation > and two writes (data and parity blocks) for every individual > write. A raid1 > only has to do two writes, and no parity calculation. Quite apart from > the extra work, the raid5 scenario has a serialisation issue > - it has to > read twice, *then* calculate parity, *then* write twice. The raid1 > scenario only involves two writes which can Just Happen. > i don't agree. RAID5 doesn't need to read in order to write. Controller has data of size stripe to write out. RAID5: stripe is divided into n chunks, where n-1=# of disks. parity is calculculated. stripe/n(X) is written to each disk(X) RAID1: stripe must be written to each disk(X) In the old days the parity calculation was quite an overhead i agree. But given Moore's law, it's safe to assume that this overhead is now negligable. eg the SA110 on Mylex ExtremeRAID is also used by empeg.com to play mpg-3's so it's no slouch. So assuming that modern controllers are not parity-calculation bound, then RAID5 should beat RAID1 for performance, due to the inherent striping of RAID5 on both read and writes. > Fair enough. Me, if I was pretty sure I was only going to use > 18GB, I'd > go with the 18GB raid1 over the 27GB raid5. If I needed 27GB, I'd prob > just get more disks and raid1 or raid1+0 them. :-) > > As you say, rack space isn't cheap. And when there are *lots* of disks > to be raid-ed, raid5 looks more and more attractive. Especially if the > data is pretty much static. > i don't accept the static bit. like i said, slow RAID5 means you have a crap old controller. > I don't accept that raid5 is necessarily faster at reading > either, though. > Any raid1 controller worth its salt will interleave requests > onto both > disks in a pair. but that's on a 'first to the drive head for this stripe' basis. RAID1 can't read in parallel from 2 disks. In RAID5 a single stripe is read in parallel. > Any raid1 controller worth its salt will > also trivially > do striping (1+0/0+1). (*) > that's a different ball game, else i can just say 5+0. :) > :-) > > Other reasons I like raid1 (and its striped friends) are: > o In theory, Up to half of the disks in an array can fail and > still have the > array accessible with no performance degradation. You can > even get a > performance improvement. :-) but you pay for that in both disk space and read performance. And also, i argue, write performance. > o Beyond a certain point, cost of backup starts to make the > cost of disk > *drives* look trivial and the cost of (filled) disk *space* > look more > and more expensive. Raid1 treats the cost of disks drives > with contempt > and disk *space* with reverence. firstly, the backup cost is related to your logical drive space. Whether that logical space is made with RAID1 or 5 is irrelevant. Secondly, isn't treating the cost of drives with contempt, the same as treating disk space with contempt? > o If I want redundancy and performance, raid1 is my friend. > If I just want > performance, I'll go with raid0. If I just want redundancy, I'll go > with raid5. It's been a while since I wanted redundancy without > performance. :-) > Or you can have RAID5, and have nearly the same performance as 0, with nearly the same redundancy as 1. :) > Wesley. > > (*) Instead of classical raid1 over multiple pairs - where > "once one pair is > full, it starts on the second". Eugh. > -paul jakma. From drjolt+ilug at redbrick.dcu.ie Thu Feb 3 15:33:55 2000 From: drjolt+ilug at redbrick.dcu.ie (David Murphy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions In-Reply-To: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AB@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net>; from Paul.Jakma@compaq.com on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 01:08:20PM -0000 References: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AB@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20000203153353.B5412@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Quoting <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AB@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> by "Jakma, Paul" : > > Even with writeback, any raid5 implementation I've used (*) has > > sucked. You > then the controller is parity-bound. RAID5 should be faster at > writing than RAID1 if the controller can do the parity calculations > fast enough. How's that, then? The minimum sensible RAID5 is three disks, so every write involves writing to at least three disks, plus the parity calculation time. By contrast, a mirror requires 2 disks and two writes. If the mirrors are located on seperate controllers for controller redundancy, the SCSI layer can even dispatch the writes concurrently to the two controllers. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key From grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie Thu Feb 3 15:45:43 2000 From: grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie (Colin Whittaker) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: Mailing list In-Reply-To: <8525687A.004BD36E.00@knotes.kodak.com>; from 962264N@knotes.kodak.com on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 02:07:13PM +0000 References: <8525687A.004BD36E.00@knotes.kodak.com> Message-ID: <20000203154541.A55049@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> 962264N@knotes.kodak.com stated the following on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 02:07:13PM +0000 : > > > From: Fergal Moran > > What software is being used to maintain the ILUG mailing list - and does > the web interface com at http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug com with > it? The software is mailman, available from www.list.org, the web interface is part of the package, you'll also need python (ww.python.org) to run it. pipermail (used to do the online archive) is seperate i think. memory is a litte hazy today. Colin -- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | "Crystalline perfection is brittle" | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Thu Feb 3 15:48:51 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:38:59 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AF@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > RAID5: > > stripe is divided into n chunks, where n-1=# of disks. eek.. should be: stripe is divided into n-1 chunks, where n-1 = # of disks > parity is calcuculated [sic] > stripe/n(X) is written to each disk(X) > > RAID1: > stripe must be written to each disk(X) From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Thu Feb 3 16:31:46 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81B2@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > stripe is divided into n-1 chunks, where n-1 = # of disks > aghh... caffeine levels critical, core breach imminent.. "stripe is divided into n-1 chunks, where n = # of disks" . . . "stripe/n(X) written to disk(X)" and stripe/n(n) is the parity chunk obviously. now where's the nescafe? From higels at tcd.ie Thu Feb 3 16:47:05 2000 From: higels at tcd.ie (Steffen) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] installing scsi... where to begin? Message-ID: <20000203164701.A10366@alf2.tcd.ie> Hi there, I want to install my internal scsi zip drive under linux. The card it is plugged into is based on/is the Adaptec AHA/1505. I dont even know where to begin installing the card, let alone the drive. Can anyone offer any help? thanks -- Steffen higels@tcd.ie http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~steffen From rdunph01 at email.mot.com Thu Feb 3 16:54:45 2000 From: rdunph01 at email.mot.com (Dunphy Richard-rdunph01) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] installing scsi... where to begin? Message-ID: Hi, Have one of these myself. Am using SuSE linux, and am using the aha152x kernel module. Installed the card and have the following line in my lilo.conf append="aha152x=0x140,9,7,1,1" which works great.. Experiment with the 9 as this is the IRQ. I think the default is 10, but check and see. The 0x140 is the IO address, the only other option is 0x340. The 7 is the host ID number, and is usually ok to leave at 7. The 1,1 are usual also. To give it a go make sure you've compiled the scsi kernel module, and the aha152x module. Check /lib/module//scsi where is your kernel version. make sure you have a file aha152x.o the use modprobe to load the module, i.e. modprobe aha152x aha152x=0x140,9,7,1,1 the proof of the pudding is in loading the zip drive... Make a dir to mount the drive to and then mount a zip disk as, mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /zip, where /dev/sda4 is when you have the SCSI ID to 5 on the zip drive and /dev/sda5 is when you have it set to 6. Hope that helps RikD > -----Original Message----- > From: Steffen [mailto:higels@tcd.ie] > Sent: 03 February 2000 16:47 > To: ilug@linux.ie > Subject: [ILUG] installing scsi... where to begin? > > > Hi there, > I want to install my internal scsi zip drive under linux. The > card it is plugged into is based on/is the Adaptec AHA/1505. > I dont even know where to begin installing the card, let > alone the drive. > > Can anyone offer any help? > thanks > -- > Steffen > > higels@tcd.ie > http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~steffen > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for > (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > From wesley at yelsew.com Thu Feb 3 16:59:42 2000 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions In-Reply-To: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AE@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net>; from Jakma, Paul on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 03:32:49PM -0000 References: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81AE@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20000203115937.A26788@pair.com> Hi, On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 03:32:49PM -0000, Jakma, Paul wrote: > i don't agree. RAID5 doesn't need to read in order to write. > > Controller has data of size stripe to write out. > RAID5: > > stripe is divided into n chunks, where n-1=# of disks. > parity is calculculated. > stripe/n(X) is written to each disk(X) Interesting. Yeah, I guess if your OS sends data in chunks that are big enough to fill a stripe completely, then the card doesn't need to do either read. If the card sends data that fills one segment, then it only needs to do one read. Fair enough. How well do your arrays cope with 1kb or 4kb over all disks in a stripe? What sort of OS do you have that sends data to the disk in chunks bigger than 4kb? 8kb perhaps? > RAID1: > stripe must be written to each disk(X) Yes, all both of them. :-) > In the old days the parity calculation was quite an overhead i agree. But > given Moore's law, it's safe to assume that this overhead is now negligable. > eg the SA110 on Mylex ExtremeRAID is also used by empeg.com to play mpg-3's > so it's no slouch. > > So assuming that modern controllers are not parity-calculation bound, then > RAID5 should beat RAID1 for performance, due to the inherent striping of > RAID5 on both read and writes. . Ummm, yeah. Probably not too calculation bound. Still remain to be convinced, though. Since /I/ haven't offered any numbers, I can hardly ask for some from you. :-) My mind /is/ open, though - If you can point me to a card that really does stripe raid5 faster than it stripes raid 1 and has half decent raid1 performance, I'll be one happy dude. :-) > > As you say, rack space isn't cheap. And when there are *lots* of disks > > to be raid-ed, raid5 looks more and more attractive. Especially if the > > data is pretty much static. > > i don't accept the static bit. like i said, slow RAID5 means you have a crap > old controller. Accept that the ones I've used have had crap raid5 implementations. Would love to play with an implementation with raid5 performance that came close to 1. > > I don't accept that raid5 is necessarily faster at reading > > either, though. > > Any raid1 controller worth its salt will interleave requests > > onto both > > disks in a pair. > > but that's on a 'first to the drive head for this stripe' basis. RAID1 can't > read in parallel from 2 disks. In RAID5 a single stripe is read in parallel. Raid1 *can* read in parallel from 2 disks. Two "things" (processes, perhaps) requesting things at different places on the disk => two simultaneous accesses. > > Any raid1 controller worth its salt will > > also trivially > > do striping (1+0/0+1). (*) > > that's a different ball game, else i can just say 5+0. :) . Umm. Like, two fives raid0-ed together? Or a load of noughts raid5-ed together? Interesting. However, if raid5 is so good, why bother? Why not just build a bigger raid5? At what point would you split a big raid5 into two and join 'em together in a raid0? (I'm assuming one might do this so that two disks dying in close succession mightn't kill everything.) Everytime I've said "raid1" and implied more than two disks, I've meant lots of raid1 pairs, striped into a raid0. It just seems normal to me. Apologies for not making this clear. Most of the points I've made, however, are applicable to a classical many-disk raid1 array, where the second pair is only used when the first is full and so on. While this isn't quite as good as many raid1s striped into a raid0, I would still have used a classical raid1 where I have in the past used a raid10, if the controller didn't support raid10. By the same token, when I've used raid5 in the past, I wouldn't have used either raid1 or raid10, because of the disk space issues and despite the performance issues. > > Other reasons I like raid1 (and its striped friends) are: > > o In theory, Up to half of the disks in an array can fail and > > still have the > > array accessible with no performance degradation. You can > > even get a > > performance improvement. :-) > > but you pay for that in both disk space and read performance. And also, i > argue, write performance. OK, we disagree here. I say I've found it to be a trade off between the number of physical disks on the one hand and performance on the other. You say you've found it to be a trade off between the number of physical disks and performance on the one hand and no discernible benefit on the other. Like I've said, I would *love* a card that had raid5 performance even close to its raid1 performance. If you can show me one, I'll make a point of looking for boxes with 'em in in future. > > o Beyond a certain point, cost of backup starts to make the > > cost of disk > > *drives* look trivial and the cost of (filled) disk *space* > > look more > > and more expensive. Raid1 treats the cost of disks drives > > with contempt > > and disk *space* with reverence. > > firstly, the backup cost is related to your logical drive space. Whether > that logical space is made with RAID1 or 5 is irrelevant. I'm saying that once you've decided that you want 500GB (say) and have budgeted for a backup system for that, the difference in cost between making the 500GB out of raid5 or striped raid1 suddenly isn't that big. I say that since raid1 is so much "better" than raid5, one may as well go with raid1. You say that since raid5 is so much better than raid1, go with raid5. > Secondly, isn't treating the cost of drives with contempt, the same as > treating disk space with contempt? Not the way I meant it. :-) The cost of the physical drives isn't important, but every /usable/ byte has to be backed up and is therefore expensive and to be revered, not treated with contempt. Sorry for being a bit flowery... > Or you can have RAID5, and have nearly the same performance as 0, with > nearly the same redundancy as 1. :) s/nearly the same (\w+) as/some of the \1 as/g :-) Thanks, Wesley. From colm at tuatha.org Thu Feb 3 17:00:16 2000 From: colm at tuatha.org (Colm Buckley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: Mailing list In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 03 Feb 2000 15:45:41 GMT Message-ID: <200002031700.RAA00957@dagda.tuatha.org> > The software is mailman, available from www.list.org, the web interface > is part of the package, you'll also need python (ww.python.org) to run > it. > pipermail (used to do the online archive) is seperate i think. > memory is a litte hazy today. Well, the debian package for Mailman, which is what I use, certainly includes pipermail. I *think* the source tarball of Mailman includes it, too. Colm -- Colm Buckley B.A. B.F. # colm@tuatha.org # +353 87 2469146 http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ # whois cb3765 Virgina Woolf wrote all her books standing. From liamoneill at esatclear.ie Thu Feb 3 18:11:28 2000 From: liamoneill at esatclear.ie (Liam O Neill) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Turtle Beach Message-ID: <008b01bf6e71$fb261500$568391c2@nx0wc> I have a turtle beach Montego A3D PCI Sound card that I would like to get working under linux. I tried the two turtle beach drivers that came with red hat V6.0 and the sound blaster pro ones, with no success. This card was shipped with a fair number of Dell computers so I imagine someone else must have come across this problem. Any solutions or ideas? Liam From shabba at csn.ul.ie Thu Feb 3 18:14:51 2000 From: shabba at csn.ul.ie (Damian O'Sullivan) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: "pure" Linux - Linux From Scratch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This isn't really from scratch. Ya hve to have a working linux setup on the machine already. So how's about making a floppy with a small kernel with networking that allows you to create partitions, d/l source and work away. I think the whole copying /dev was a bit of a cheat too... Damian O'Sullivan Tel:087-2241456 damian@linux.ie On the other hand, you have different fingers. On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Alan Keaveney wrote: > Only came across this myself today, > http://huizen.dds.nl/~glb/ > > It describes, in some detail, how to go about building a "pure" Linux system from scratch. Building sources, configuration of a lot of simpler but better (imho) tools such as vim/wmaker/ etc. > > Another alternative is to have a look at working from some mini distributions, do a search on freshmeat, but giving the amount of Disk Space u have mentioned, maybe that would be far too small. > > regards, > > Alan. > > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Thu Feb 3 18:42:27 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hardware RAID & partitions Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81B6@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > Interesting. Yeah, I guess if your OS sends data in chunks that are > big enough to fill a stripe completely, then the card doesn't need > to do either read. If the card sends data that fills one segment, > then it only needs to do one read. Fair enough. How well do your > arrays cope with 1kb or 4kb over all disks in a stripe? What sort > of OS do you have that sends data to the disk in chunks bigger than > 4kb? 8kb perhaps? > well that's up to the driver for that controller. The driver should know how to arrange data transfers in such a way that controller can operate most efficiently. I see your point about reading now. If data to be written is below stripe size, then indeed the controller would need to read in chunks[1] to allow it to calculate parity, before it could commit the write. Although if the OS had the unchanged blocks[2] in memory, the driver could use them to make up a complete stripe for the controller, hence avoiding the reads. However, those extra data chunks would not need to be written back out. Only the changed chunks and the parity. And still, the driver should try it's best to buffer writes to avoid sub-stripe writes. If the fs hasn't already done so. Eg with a 4KB blocksize you only need 16 blocks to fill a stripe, which is a very small buffer. (also in the case of e2fs, you can tell mke2fs to take the underlying RAID stripe size into account). Anyway, a lot of this holds for RAID1 aswell. Eg if you want to change 4kb from a RAID1 array with a 64kb stripe. [1]stripe is the total data block, chunk is the stripe/n component of the stripe that is written out. in the case of RAID1, n=1, so chunk=stripe. [2] Very likely. The controller has to read 'stripe size' at a time no matter what, so the driver most likely reads them into memory too, whether needed or not. > > RAID1: > > stripe must be written to each disk(X) > > Yes, all both of them. :-) > indeed. but on RAID1 chunk(0) == chunk(1) == stripe. Not so on RAID5, where all the chunks are different parts of the stripe. RAID1 effectively does not stripe. It can interleave reads depending on which scsi host comes back with the data first, but it can't stripe. > . Ummm, yeah. Probably not too calculation bound. > Still remain > to be convinced, though. Since /I/ haven't offered any numbers, I can > hardly ask for some from you. :-) I'll be able to bench a DAC960-PDU, 4MB cache, write-back with 3 disks next week or the week after. I think you'll be surprised, even though this controller is very old. Alternatively, try linux-raid 0.90 on a reasonably fast machine. I've seen approx 26MB/s block out, 15MB/s block out on a RAID5 3 drive array, on a 233MMX cpu. Try it out, find a linux machine with 3 scsi disks, and compare linux RAID1 over 2 disks to RAID5 over the 3. I believe the performance ratio of R1/R5 will be comparable to a modern controller with a beefy cpu (eg mylex Extreme). > . Umm. Like, two fives raid0-ed together? Or a load of > noughts raid5-ed together? Interesting. > multiple RAID5 arrays joined with RAID0. > However, if raid5 is so good, why bother? Why not just build a bigger > raid5? At what point would you split a big raid5 into two and join 'em > together in a raid0? I wouldn't go higher than 4 disks because of redundancy. After that I'd probably RAID1 or RAID0 multiple R5 arrays together if the hardware allowed, or use LVM. > (I'm assuming one might do this so that two disks > dying in close succession mightn't kill everything.) > indeed. but with a big setup you'd have to mirror arrays anyway, (hardware/LVM) whether RAID1 or RAID5 arrays. > > > Other reasons I like raid1 (and its striped friends) are: > > > o In theory, Up to half of the disks in an array can fail and > > > still have the (going back to an older comment). that's slightly misleading. Assume half the disks fail. It's highly unlikely that only the second disk of every RAID1 array will fail. In fact if half your disks fail on a RAID1+0 setup it is very likely that at least one of your R1 arrays will suffer a 2 disk failure. The distribution of failed disks will not be even across the array. And you lose the whole array. (but same applies to multi R5) > Like I've said, I would *love* a card that had > raid5 performance > even close to its raid1 performance. If you can show me one, I'll make > a point of looking for boxes with 'em in in future. > i can't show you one, I don't have the numbers. However IMO, judging from the difference in performance between linux raid 0.90 and older controllers, the older controllers were very calculation bound. And so i would be very surprised if new high-end controllers using newer, much faster CPU's (eg StrongARM) did not have substantially improved RAID5 performance. Tell me, would you be able to bench some RAID1 setups? > I'm saying that once you've decided that you want 500GB (say) and have > budgeted for a backup system for that, the difference in cost between > making the 500GB out of raid5 or striped raid1 suddenly isn't > that big. > indeed, big money setups don't care about about a couple of thou. But your RAID1 solution will need 1.33 times as many disks as compared to a setup with 3 disk/array based RAID5, and will need 1.5 times as many disks compared to a 4disk/array based RAID5 setup. Would you rather buy 1TB of disks (for RAID1), or 667GB of disks (RAID5) to make up your 500GB array? say a 9GB disk is ?200 (v optimistic). That makes it ?22k for R1 as oppossed to ?15k for R5. Difference of ?7k. With a more likely cost of ?350/9GB disk -> ?38k for R1, compared to ?26k for R5! also, let's look at redundancy, granted each RAID1 array has a lower probability of failure, compared to a RAID5 array. However the overall RAID1 based setup has 1.5 times more disks than the RAID5 setup, and hence probably will suffer more drive failures than the RAID5 array! So your overall redundancy is not that much more than the RAID5 setup, for 50% extra cost! > I say that since raid1 is so much "better" than raid5, one > may as well go > with raid1. You say that since raid5 is so much better than raid1, go > with raid5. > I don't say RAID5 is so much better. I say RAID5 is more cost effective and efficient. I disagree about the perf. thing. RAID5 definitely has better read performance. But this needs numbers to settle it. -paul jakma. From johno at tornado.ie Thu Feb 3 18:46:45 2000 From: johno at tornado.ie (Johno Sullivan) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Turtle Beach In-Reply-To: <008b01bf6e71$fb261500$568391c2@nx0wc> Message-ID: bummer, I've had one for the last 2 years and never got it working.. I tried mailing turtle beach for advice or estimated dates for a linux driver but they never got back to me.. get yerself a 16bit pci soundblaster from dabs for 20 quid and save yourself hours of grief.. johno On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Liam O Neill wrote: >I have a turtle beach Montego A3D PCI Sound card that I would like to get >working under linux. I tried the two turtle beach drivers that came with red >hat V6.0 and the sound blaster pro ones, with no success. This card was >shipped with a fair number of Dell computers so I imagine someone else must >have come across this problem. Any solutions or ideas? >Liam From jgaughan at irish-times.com Thu Feb 3 18:53:32 2000 From: jgaughan at irish-times.com (John Gaughan) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Turtle Beach In-Reply-To: <008b01bf6e71$fb261500$568391c2@nx0wc> Message-ID: Hi Liam, > -----Original Message----- > From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of Liam > O Neill > Sent: 03 February 2000 18:11 > To: ilug@linux.ie > Subject: [ILUG] Turtle Beach > > > I have a turtle beach Montego A3D PCI Sound card that I would like to get > working under linux. I tried the two turtle beach drivers that > came with red > hat V6.0 and the sound blaster pro ones, with no success. This card was > shipped with a fair number of Dell computers so I imagine someone > else must > have come across this problem. Any solutions or ideas? > Liam I've not had any experience with that particular card, but I believe it uses one of Aureal Vortex chipsets which you can get drivers for at http://linux.aureal.com/ John. From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Thu Feb 3 18:53:47 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] next Dublin meeting Message-ID: <20000203185231.G2322@online.ie> Just checking has anyone else got a talk for the next dublin meeting... I'll be giving one, as will Brian Scanlan (imparting some Apache knowlegde from all that he's picked up as DCU's networking society webmaster & admin), and John Bolger, who setup St Olivers Community College with a Linux box and very functional network/internet site. I was considering giving a talk on compiling up kernels & booting a linux box, though all this working with LDAP over the last while has made me think that an LDAP talk would be more interesting, and of interest to novices and administrators using non-Linux OSes alike... Kate From ags at tinet.ie Thu Feb 3 18:58:25 2000 From: ags at tinet.ie (Alan Sobey) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Trouble starting named Message-ID: <001101bf6e78$d650e5a0$0203a8c0@dirtbag> I'm having trouble starting named from a vanilla SuSE 6.3 box. I think I've narrowed it down to the following: The symlink to ../named doesn't appear to execute. Any ideas? jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ../named status OK jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ./S11named status jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ls -l S11named lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jan 29 12:12 S11named -> ../named jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ls -l ../named -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 731 Nov 8 20:26 ../named TIA, Alan. From lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie Thu Feb 3 19:07:24 2000 From: lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie (Lars Hecking) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Trouble starting named In-Reply-To: <001101bf6e78$d650e5a0$0203a8c0@dirtbag>; from ags@tinet.ie on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 06:59:45PM -0000 References: <001101bf6e78$d650e5a0$0203a8c0@dirtbag> Message-ID: <20000203190715.A9428@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Alan Sobey writes: > I'm having trouble starting named from a vanilla SuSE 6.3 box. I think I've > narrowed it down to the following: > The symlink to ../named doesn't appear to execute. Any ideas? > > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ../named status > OK Is named already running? > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ./S11named status > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ls -l S11named > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jan 29 12:12 S11named -> ../named > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ls -l ../named > -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 731 Nov 8 20:26 ../named I am not familiar with SuSE, but on those systems I can check right now, named only starts of the config file is found, eg. if [ -f /usr/sbin/in.named -a -f /etc/named.conf ]; then echo 'starting internet domain name server.' /usr/sbin/in.named & fi From delphi91 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 19:16:10 2000 From: delphi91 at hotmail.com (Michael Treacy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <20000203191531.19464.qmail@hotmail.com> >Is this a real possibility? That is, producing Linux software tailored >to the Irish Secondary School curriculum? I would be happy to be >involved >in producing Maths/Physics/Applied Maths software instructional aids. > >However, there's little point in producing fantastic Linux software for >schools (and it can be fantastic - the Learning Logic software package >that John mentioned looks very good >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/9586/). >if schools aren't using Linux and have no awareness of the advantages >of Linux. My experience after 2 years of Secondary school teaching >(as Maths/Computers) was that many Secondary Schools are just beginning >to realise the potential of computer technologies (and some haven't >even realised), but unfortunately, for most of these schools Computers = >Microsoft, i.e. even Office suites running on Win95/98 don't get a >look in if they're not Microsoft Office. Linux wouldn't be in the >picture at all. > Cormac, You've just mentioned EVERYTHING that I said in a mail to the list about 2 weeks ago. I teach computers in a school in Limerick. I've also been responsible for setting up the network - Novell 4.11 and 30 PC's running Windoze 95. After that, our only requirments are a suite of programs for Wordprocessing, Database and Spreadsheets. Now as I see it, KOffice (when it's finished) or Star Office or Applixware could fulfill all of this for us. I would probably go with one of the first two due to them being free!! Graphics software is available (The GIMP), and almost everything else you could want. I'm seriously thinking of re-building our system over the summer, removing Novell and installing Linux, using SAMBA to link Windoze to Linux. And if it wasn't for the fact that the school is used for night classes in computers, I would probably remove Windoze altogether and go down the Linux road completely. I don't know about you, but I find it a right pain in the arse having to "fix" all the things that students get up to on computers espcially in Windoze. I was thinking about the Linux situation lately and discussing it with another teacher. Set up properly, the students don't even need floppies - they have their own area on the server, etc. I find that they lose them, forget to take them out of the pc when they leave, etc. I really think it's definitely the way to go. But we would need to make teachers aware of what CAN be done by, as you suggest, taking a school and using it as a pilot school. And then maybe getting some articles into the various educational journals about the project. Any teacher who teaches computers cannot but be aware of the massive increase in interest in Linux this past year. I definitely think we could arouse a lot of interest. Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From btyers at snet.wit.ie Thu Feb 3 19:28:29 2000 From: btyers at snet.wit.ie (Bernard Tyers) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] using minicom to dial isps. Message-ID: hea, well the subject says it all. I have installed a modem on a machine, and want to dial indigo. So, I went looking at the various applications. Finally thought of using minicom. Can anyone help here, and tell me whats gone wrong. OK: open minicom. atdt 1891110110 connect 38400 dublin-wtd01 line 82 User Access Verification Username: name Password: pass dublin-wtd01> type ppp Async interface address is unnumbered (Loopback0) Your IP address is 194.125.169.15 MTU is 1500 bytes Header compression will match your system <20000203190715.A9428@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Message-ID: <003901bf6e7d$9f4bde20$0203a8c0@dirtbag> Thanks - solved it, bloody stupid mistake. SuSE stores variables in /etc/rc.config. START_NAMED was set to no. Doh! Should have poked about a bit more before posting. (Incidently named was running at the time, and runs fine when started manually) Thanks, Alan. > Alan Sobey writes: > > I'm having trouble starting named from a vanilla SuSE 6.3 box. I think I've > > narrowed it down to the following: > > The symlink to ../named doesn't appear to execute. Any ideas? > > > > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ../named status > > OK > > Is named already running? > yes > > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ./S11named status > > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ls -l S11named > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jan 29 12:12 S11named -> ../named > > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ls -l ../named > > -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 731 Nov 8 20:26 ../named > > I am not familiar with SuSE, but on those systems I can check right > now, named only starts of the config file is found, eg. > > if [ -f /usr/sbin/in.named -a -f /etc/named.conf ]; then > echo 'starting internet domain name server.' > /usr/sbin/in.named & > fi From delphi91 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 20:40:06 2000 From: delphi91 at hotmail.com (Michael Treacy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] using minicom to dial isps. Message-ID: <20000203203931.49917.qmail@hotmail.com> Bernard, I used to use Minicom also. I used to do the following: Start minicom and essentially follow your steps until I started getting the gibberish - this is the two modems talking to each other. At that point, hit CTRL+Q and hit enter. This gets you back to the command prompt. Now type in "pppd /dev/modem" ( no inverted commas!). Wait a few seconds (I used to count to around 5!!) and then try pinging a site that you know the address of - ping www.apple.com - or something like that. You should see the data coming back, giving the time taken, etc. CTRL+C will get out of that. You should now be connected! Hope this helps, Mike p.s. - I think I'd go with something like WVDial - it's MUCH easier. No messing around with commands, etc. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nearyd at khumbu.eeng.dcu.ie Thu Feb 3 21:15:45 2000 From: nearyd at khumbu.eeng.dcu.ie (David Neary) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] mkfs.ext2 problem... Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks for all the help with the "linux from scratch" question...The LFS HOWTO (which I never knew about before) was (almost) exactly what I was looking for. Anyway, I've run into a wee problem at stage 1 :) I set up the partitions I plan to use for this, and set about making ext2 partitions to use. After trying to make them, I've run into some wee problems. Below is the (rather terse) error message that comes back from mke2fs (no problems with fdisk in making the partitions at all). Any ideas what might be wrong? I've also tried (just in case some blocks were muddled with old stuff) dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdc2, and got "No room on device" or some such back. I've tagged on the partition table too for perusal...turns out I have a little more than a gig free :) Thanks, Dave. [root@localhost /root]# mke2fs /dev/hdc2 mke2fs 1.15, 18-Jul-1999 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09 /dev/hdc2: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/hdc: 16 heads, 63 sectors, 4092 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdc1 * 1 33 16600+ 83 Linux /dev/hdc2 34 643 307440 83 Linux /dev/hdc3 644 4092 1738296 5 Extended /dev/hdc5 644 1659 512032+ 83 Linux /dev/hdc6 1660 1920 131512+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hdc7 1921 3546 819472+ 83 Linux /dev/hdc8 3547 4092 275152+ 83 Linux From akawaka at csn.ul.ie Thu Feb 3 21:21:16 2000 From: akawaka at csn.ul.ie (Martin Donlon) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Netscape Message-ID: Wouldn't it be lovely if you know longer had to worry whether another netscape window was open when you clicked on your little netscape Icon? Nothing gets on my nerves more than seeing that little warning window pop up so I wrote this: #! /bin/sh if ps x | grep -v "$0" | grep netscape | grep -v grep > /dev/null then netscape -noraise -remote 'openBrowser()' else netscape fi <------> Problem is when you close the original window all the others close too. ANyone got a better solution? Long live the confused, Akawaka. -- Bother! said Pooh, as he deported Buchanan to Northern Ireland. From jbolger at socc.ie Thu Feb 3 21:22:18 2000 From: jbolger at socc.ie (John Bolger) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! In-Reply-To: <20000203191531.19464.qmail@hotmail.com>; from delphi91@hotmail.com on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 07:15:31PM +0000 References: <20000203191531.19464.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20000203211851.A5887@socc.ie> On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 07:15:31PM +0000, Michael Treacy wrote: > > I teach computers in a school in Limerick. I've also been responsible for > setting up the network - Novell 4.11 and 30 PC's running Windoze 95. After > that, our only requirments are a suite of programs for Wordprocessing, > Database and Spreadsheets. I am one of the network admins in SOCC in Drogheda (I aminly look after the Linux end of things remotely from home and from DCU where I am a final year student) > Now as I see it, KOffice (when it's finished) or Star Office or Applixware > could fulfill all of this for us. I would probably go with one of the first > two due to them being free!! Unfortunately staroffice is resource hungry (in my experience it needs more resources than MS Office) > Graphics software is available (The GIMP), and almost everything else you > could want. We also have a wide range of internet utilities - Netscape (And soon mozilla), mail clients, news clients, irc clients, etc. ALso there are free programming languages including C, Java, Perl and Python. > I'm seriously thinking of re-building our system over the summer, removing > Novell and installing Linux, using SAMBA to link Windoze to Linux. And if it > wasn't for the fact that the school is used for night classes in computers, > I would probably remove Windoze altogether and go down the Linux road > completely. I don't know about you, but I find it a right pain in the arse > having to "fix" all the things that students get up to on computers > espcially in Windoze. The root of this problem is of course the lack of any filesystem protection on any version of dos/windows 9X. This allows any program or user to delete or corrupt files at will. All you have to do is right click on any file on the C Drive and select delete and the file is gone without any chance of recovery. There is nothing you can do about this without expensive third party protection software such as Fortres. The built in security (poledit) is a joke which does nothing but confuse the admin. The only solution is to use NT, which is expensive and resource hungry. > I was thinking about the Linux situation lately and discussing it with > another teacher. Set up properly, the students don't even need floppies - > they have their own area on the server, etc. I find that they lose them, > forget to take them out of the pc when they leave, etc. I agree 100% here. Floppies are unreliable at the best of times and most students do not know how to handle them correctly. Floppy disks have also got very low capicity - MS OFfice files often take up more than 1.44MB (if you have embedded graphics). In SOCC we give students 10MB of disk space (this allows them to store files, email and if they wish, put up a small web site). If students need more space for a project, they usually get it after they ask. I have found that people rarely lose files. > I really think it's definitely the way to go. But we would need to make > teachers aware of what CAN be done by, as you suggest, taking a school and > using it as a pilot school. And then maybe getting some articles into the > various educational journals about the project. Any teacher who teaches > computers cannot but be aware of the massive increase in interest in Linux > this past year. I definitely think we could arouse a lot of interest. If you go to http://www.socc.ie/teangmhl.htm you can see that its already been done in one school with great success. In my experience the best place to start is the server. An Internal web server, mail server (Kenn Humborg's UUCP feed presentation at LAID showed a very viable way of bring email to the masses) or router (IP Masquerading or squid with one dialup connection). This allows you to provide a useful service and build up confidence in using Linux. It can be done on old hardware, without making huge changes to the netwrok which is lready installed. A big problem is ECDL (European Computer Driving License). It is a course on using computers which is tought in many schools. It is based completely on MS Windows. From murphyv at student.cs.ucc.ie Thu Feb 3 21:22:49 2000 From: murphyv at student.cs.ucc.ie (Vincent Murphy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: Re: "pure" Linux - Linux From Scratch In-Reply-To: ; from shabba@csn.ul.ie on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 06:16:44PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20000203211701.A20911@student.cs.ucc.ie> = Damian O'Sullivan [20000203 1810]: > This isn't really from scratch. Ya hve to have a working linux setup on > the machine already. granted, but it does give a good outline of how to get around building glibc and gcc (both are tough cookies to build IMO), and what to build & when. i judged that is was worth getting hard copy of anyway, for the next time i give this a shot. anybody interested in giving this a go may find kenn humborg's advice useful as well. http://www.linux.ie/pipermail/ilug/1999-October/007873.html > So how's about making a floppy with a small kernel > with networking that allows you to create partitions, d/l source and work > away. i reckon this is just `a working linux setup' as well, except it's on a floppy. correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't you are always going to have to have a `here's one i made earlier' system to build a from-scratch system, or a bootdisk system (much the same thing), unless you want to bootstrap the system to such a state that you can build stuff manually yourself, which i presume is non-trivial. how would one go about doing this? i guess it is possible, because people porting kernels to new architectures must have to do it. > I think the whole copying /dev was a bit of a cheat too... agreed. much better to work from /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt or whatever and create them on an as-needed basis. -vinny . From akawaka at csn.ul.ie Thu Feb 3 21:25:07 2000 From: akawaka at csn.ul.ie (Martin Donlon) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Turtle Beach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doesn't seem to work with the Turtle Beaches for some reason. Long live the confused, Akawaka. -- Bother! said Pooh, and deleted C:\WINDOWS. On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, John Gaughan wrote: > I've not had any experience with that particular card, but I believe it uses > one of Aureal Vortex chipsets which you can get drivers for at > http://linux.aureal.com/ From akawaka at csn.ul.ie Thu Feb 3 21:31:57 2000 From: akawaka at csn.ul.ie (Martin Donlon) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Limerick Intersoc Message-ID: As promised (hehe:) UL Computer society are planning a Computer Intersoc here in Limerick. Anyone got suggestions for events? UL Computer Society. -- Bother! said Pooh, as he deleted his source code. From lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie Thu Feb 3 22:23:30 2000 From: lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie (Lars Hecking) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Trouble starting named In-Reply-To: <003901bf6e7d$9f4bde20$0203a8c0@dirtbag>; from ags@tinet.ie on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 07:34:00PM -0000 References: <001101bf6e78$d650e5a0$0203a8c0@dirtbag> <20000203190715.A9428@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> <003901bf6e7d$9f4bde20$0203a8c0@dirtbag> Message-ID: <20000203222330.A9697@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Alan Sobey writes: > Thanks - solved it, > > bloody stupid mistake. > SuSE stores variables in /etc/rc.config. [...] > > Alan Sobey writes: [...] > > > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ./S11named status > > > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ls -l S11named Looks like some Linux vendors are trying their utterly confusing best marrying BSD and SysV into Linux ... From ross at excentric.com Thu Feb 3 22:55:30 2000 From: ross at excentric.com (Ross Lynch) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script Message-ID: <389A1728.C3DE8B8B@excentric.com> Hey, Well, I've made some modifications to the script (ie. got it working) and translated it to PERL too. It works fine now, and new ISP's are easy to add. Later, Ross. --------------------- #!/usr/bin /perl -w # Internet Setup Script v1.1.0 # Ross Lynch & William Murphy, EGLU print "\nInternet Account Setup Script"; print "\n-----------------------------"; print "\n1. Ireland On Line"; print "\n2. eircom Internet"; print "\n3. Esat NoLimits"; print "\nPlease choose on of the above: "; $isp_choice = ; chomp $isp_choice; if ($isp_choice ne 3) { print "\nUsername: "; $username = ; chomp $username; print "Password: "; system ("stty -echo"); $password = ; system ("stty echo"); chomp $password; } elsif ($isp_choice eq 3 ) { $username = "nolimits"; $password = "nolimits"; } if ($isp_choice eq 1) { $login = "ogin: $username\nssword: $password\nrotocol: ppp"; $ns1 = "194.125.2.240"; $ns2 = "194.125.2.241"; $passfile = "/etc/ppp/chatscript"; $auth_type = 0; $number = 1891121121; } elsif ($isp_choice eq 2) { $login = "ternet $username '' $password"; $ns1 = "159.134.237.6"; $ns2 = "159.134.248.17"; $passfile = "/etc/ppp/chatscript"; $auth_type = 0; $number = "1891150150"; } elsif ($isp_choice eq 3) { $login = ''; $ns1 = "194.145.128.1"; $ns2 = "194.145.128.2"; $auth_type = "pap"; $passfile = "/etc/ppp/$auth_type-secrets"; print "\nDo you have caller ID disabled? (y/n): "; $caller_id = ; chomp $caller_id; if ($caller_id eq "y") { print "Prefixing \'142\' to number...\n"; $number = "1421332103001235"; } elsif ($caller_id eq "n") { $number = "1332103001235"; } } print "\n\n Linux\t\tWindows"; print "\n -----\t\t-------"; print "\n1. ttyS0\t\tcua1"; print "\n2. ttyS1\t\tcua2"; print "\n3. ttyS2\t\tcua3"; print "\n4. ttyS3\t\tcua4"; print "\nPlease choose which port your modem is on: "; $modem = ; chomp $modem; $modem = $modem - 1; open (RESOLV, ">>/etc/resolv.conf"); print RESOLV "\n$ns1\n$ns2"; close(RESOLV); open (PASSFILE, ">$passfile" ); print PASSFILE "TIMEOUT 45\nABORT BUSY\nABORT ERROR\nABORT 'NO CARRIER'\nABORT 'NO DIAL TONE'\nABORT 'NO DIALTONE'\n'' ATZ\nOK ATDT$number\nCONNECT ''\n$login"; close (PASSFILE); open (OPTIONS, ">/etc/ppp/options" ); print OPTIONS "modem\ncrtscts\ndefaultroute"; if ($auth_type eq 0) { print OPTIONS "\n\`chat -v -f /etc/ppp/chatscript\`"; } print OPTIONS "\n/dev/ttyS$modem"; if ($auth_type ne 0) { print OPTIONS "\nuser $username"; } if ($auth_type ne 0) { print OPTIONS "\n$username\n"; open (SECRETS, ">$passfile"); print SECRETS "$username * $password *"; close (SECRETS); } close (OPTIONS); chmod( 0700, "resolv" ); print "\nSetup Complete!\n" ------------------ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ross Lynch 087 6548827 ross@excentric.com kernel@student.nuigalway.ie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From higels at tcd.ie Thu Feb 3 22:57:28 2000 From: higels at tcd.ie (Steffen) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] installing scsi... where to begin? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000203225726.A31594@alf2.tcd.ie> Okay that worked a charm. Thanks a million. out of interest, what does the line(append="aha....") that is added to lilo.conf do? -- Steffen higels@tcd.ie http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~steffen From ross at excentric.com Thu Feb 3 23:00:47 2000 From: ross at excentric.com (Ross Lynch) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script Message-ID: <389A187B.DF876A6C@excentric.com> Ooops, the second last line should read chmod (0700, "/etc/resolv.conf", "/etc/ppp/options", "$passfile" ); rather than chmod( 0700, "resolv" ); Ross. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ross Lynch 087 6548827 ross@excentric.com kernel@student.nuigalway.ie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Thu Feb 3 23:27:00 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Job offer In-Reply-To: <21F0AC750696D311B8F000600856E8670196C6@hopkins.dublin.wbtsystems.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Liam Bedford wrote: > are you allowed make changes like that to xv source? It's shareware isn't > it? > > Just curious, I don't know what the license is, but it's not GPL I know > that.. No, xv is shareware - $25 / license, but free for personal use. However the source is made available and to quote the license The software may be modified for your own purposes, but modified versions may not be distributed without prior consent of the author. That fits my situation. Regards, Niall From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Thu Feb 3 23:38:52 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] scan ISDN TA In-Reply-To: <20000203122857.A21428@student.cs.ucc.ie> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Vincent Murphy wrote: > on http://www.scan.co.uk/modems.htm there's a ISDN TA described as > "ASUS-ISDN PCI 128K ISDN Adaptor with Analogue Port" for 38 pounds sterling. > Yowsa - that's a good price for these islands, especially with the analogue port. The ISDN4Linux README.HiSax has the following entry in its list of supported cards ASUSCOM NETWORK INC. ISDNLink 128K PC adapter (order code I-IN100-ST-D) so it looks like a runner. I was about to order a couple of Fritz cards - I've changed my mind :-) The analog port, BTW, enables you to plug in a POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) device e.g. a phone, fax, modem or answering machine. Regards, Niall From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Thu Feb 3 23:44:06 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: scan ISDN TA In-Reply-To: <389985A5.48CAB4DB@arbgroup.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Vincent Cunniffe wrote: > It is listed as being compatible with Linux (it bloody well better be, > coz I bought one ;-) and the analogue port is exactly the same as on a > modem : it's an analogue passthrough that you can plug a phone, modem > or fax machine into. Not quite - it's not a pass through, because there is no analog phone line to pass through. Instead, it's a D/A & A/D converter for a phone line. Hence my earlier comment about the price. > Now if only the tossers in Eircom would install the ISDN line : currently > 4 months late and holding. Bummer - where do you live ? I haven't even ordered my line yet. And if you'd like to know if tha card works, pass it on and I'll check it out for you :-) (I have access to ISDN lines elsewhere) Regards, Niall From kenn at linux.ie Fri Feb 4 00:01:41 2000 From: kenn at linux.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Netscape In-Reply-To: ; from Martin Donlon on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 09:23:13PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20000204000145.A2453@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 09:23:13PM +0000, Martin Donlon wrote: > Problem is when you close the original window all the others close too. > ANyone got a better solution? That's a bug in Netscape (or some library it uses). Try firing up netscape normally, browse around using 'right-click->Open In New Window' and then close a window. Most of the time this crashes Netscape on me. It used not do it. It started when I upgraded to 4.5 or something, so I downgraded to the 4.07 I was running and the problem didn't go away. It really pisses me off, because I'm a 'bunch-of-windows' type of browser user. Later, Kenn From kenn at linux.ie Fri Feb 4 00:13:28 2000 From: kenn at linux.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: Re: "pure" Linux - Linux From Scratch In-Reply-To: <20000203211701.A20911@student.cs.ucc.ie>; from Vincent Murphy on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 09:17:01PM +0000 References: <20000203211701.A20911@student.cs.ucc.ie> Message-ID: <20000204001253.B2453@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 09:17:01PM +0000, Vincent Murphy wrote: > correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't you are always going to have to have a > `here's one i made earlier' system to build a from-scratch system, or a > bootdisk system (much the same thing), unless you want to bootstrap the > system to such a state that you can build stuff manually yourself, which i > presume is non-trivial. > > how would one go about doing this? i guess it is possible, because people > porting kernels to new architectures must have to do it. First you cross-copmile a kernel on another machine. Doesn't have to be Linux, it just needs to run gcc. Then you get the machine to boot this kernel. Nice architectures will let you netboot, speeding things up nicely. Crappy ones will require you to copy this kernel to some type of boot medium (tape, hard disk, floppy, paper tape, or toggle it in at the front panel...) The usual next step is to write a network driver for the target and NFS mount a root filesystem from your dev box. If this isn't possible, you put your root fs on a floppy disk or hard disk (removable hard disk makes this easier). Again note that the 'host' system doesn't have to be Linux. It just needs to be able to create a filesystem that the new kernel can read and write to a disk that the target can read. This method of using another (possibly older, slower) machine to bootstrap development of a newer one goes all the way back to when the first assembler was written. Before that everything was hand assembled and probably toggled in. So it isn't really cheating cause they don't make front panels with address and data bus toggle switches anymore :-( (Although you can get pretty close in principle on some machines. VAXen have smart enough console firmware to examine and modify memory and registers. So you _could_ hand assemble a VAX kernel and load it in manually. You'd be one sick puppy to do that!) Later, Kenn From cjb at tinet.ie Fri Feb 4 00:21:38 2000 From: cjb at tinet.ie (Christian J van den Bosch) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] [OT] 64-bit PCI Message-ID: <389A1C34.AAF33533@tinet.ie> Hi all, anybody know where I can get a motherboard with a 64bit 66MHz PCI slot for plugging in a raid card? I've got a customer looking for this and all my suppliers are clueless. cjb -- Christian J van den Bosch mailto:cjb@linux.ie "To err is human - to moo, bovine" From ray at phbrink.ie Fri Feb 4 01:02:32 2000 From: ray at phbrink.ie (Raymond A Kelly) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] using minicom to dial isps. References: <20000203203931.49917.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <389A2522.E49C1429@phbrink.ie> Michael Treacy wrote: > > p.s. - I think I'd go with something like WVDial - it's MUCH easier. No > messing around with commands, etc. I'd presume one could knock something together using expect to automate it a "little", Haven't tried myself but I'd imagine that it'd be something to play with if you had nothing better to do :) ta Ray ... -- Raymond Kelly: ray@phbrink.ie : Systems Administrator: PH Brink International, Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, Ireland: TEL: +353 91 771181: Mobile: +353 87 2886761 (Caller ID only): From john.allen at oc2.com Fri Feb 4 07:57:44 2000 From: john.allen at oc2.com (John Allen) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Trouble starting named References: <001101bf6e78$d650e5a0$0203a8c0@dirtbag> <20000203190715.A9428@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> <003901bf6e7d$9f4bde20$0203a8c0@dirtbag> <20000203222330.A9697@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Message-ID: <389A8711.5D4487D8@oc2.com> Lars Hecking wrote: > Alan Sobey writes: > > Thanks - solved it, > > > > bloody stupid mistake. > > SuSE stores variables in /etc/rc.config. > [...] > > > Alan Sobey writes: > [...] > > > > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ./S11named status > > > > jira:/sbin/init.d/rc2.d # ls -l S11named > > Looks like some Linux vendors are trying their utterly > confusing best marrying BSD and SysV into Linux ... > Sorta like an HP box, one of the reasons I hate HP, & SuSE. > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- =============================================================================== John Allen, Email: john.allen@orbiscard.com Orbis Payment Technology Ltd, Phone: +353-1-2945111 3 Sandyford Park, Mobile: +353-86-2315986 Sandyford Industrial Estate, Fax: +353-1-2945119 Dublin 18. =============================================================================== From john.allen at oc2.com Fri Feb 4 08:06:37 2000 From: john.allen at oc2.com (John Allen) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Netscape References: <20000204000145.A2453@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> Message-ID: <389A891F.28B82815@oc2.com> Kenn Humborg wrote: > On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 09:23:13PM +0000, Martin Donlon wrote: > > Problem is when you close the original window all the others close too. > > ANyone got a better solution? > > That's a bug in Netscape (or some library it uses). Try firing up netscape > normally, browse around using 'right-click->Open In New Window' and then > close a window. Most of the time this crashes Netscape on me. It used > not do it. It started when I upgraded to 4.5 or something, so I downgraded > to the 4.07 I was running and the problem didn't go away. It really pisses > me off, because I'm a 'bunch-of-windows' type of browser user. > Well I do this all the time with 4.7, and although it crashes ocassionally (once or twice a day), its generally OK. > > Later, > Kenn > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- =============================================================================== John Allen, Email: john.allen@orbiscard.com Orbis Payment Technology Ltd, Phone: +353-1-2945111 3 Sandyford Park, Mobile: +353-86-2315986 Sandyford Industrial Estate, Fax: +353-1-2945119 Dublin 18. =============================================================================== From John_Gay at eur.3com.com Fri Feb 4 08:28:18 2000 From: John_Gay at eur.3com.com (John Gay) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <8025687B.002FAC57.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Not only is it possible, but it is very likely, looking at the use of Learning Logic in the States. As for a pilot school, St. Oliver's community College in Drogheda already has a full Linux System installed. If we stress the benefits of Free O/S, and the ability to use cheap, second-hand hardware, I can't see how the schools can pass it up. I recently saw an ad in the Buy-N-Sell for 21 486 computers for ?4,500! This would provide a complete classroom of X-Terminals that could be networked to one P III running the software. As Linux's memory management would only open one instance of the package and share it between the terminals, the performance of 21 terminals off of one PC would not be severe. Learning Logic seems to be set-up for this type of use anyway. My daughters current school, primary level, has been running sponsored walks each year to raise money for computers, but, not knowing about Linux, they keep buying one, brand new, top-of-the-line PC and are already talking about retiring some of the PC's they bought just a few years ago! This would be dreadful, but without Quality Linux programmes, why would they use Linux? It's a bit of a catch-22 situation at the moment. Can't use Linux because we have no software, can't develop software 'cause no-one's using Linux. I agree we should create a focus team to design and implement a school's based system. But don't forget the office staff also has requirements for there computers as well. We must consider these requirements when creating software for this system. Count me in on this one. Cheers, John Gay From rdunph01 at email.mot.com Fri Feb 4 08:50:30 2000 From: rdunph01 at email.mot.com (Dunphy Richard-rdunph01) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] installing scsi... where to begin? Message-ID: Glad to be of help. You know when you boot and you get the LILO prompt. You can add things like 'mem=128M' etc to your choice. e.g. If you were booting linux, and it had the assignment 'lin', you would type 'lin mem=128M'. The append in the lilo.conf just removes the need to keep typeing in the 'mem=128M' when you boot. If it's not clear enough there do a 'man lilo.conf' which explains it better, or if you have SuSE read the manual as I think they explain it quite well. Rik > -----Original Message----- > From: Steffen [mailto:higels@tcd.ie] > Sent: 03 February 2000 22:57 > To: 'ilug@linux.ie' > Subject: Re: [ILUG] installing scsi... where to begin? > > > Okay that worked a charm. Thanks a million. > > out of interest, what does the line(append="aha....") that is > added to lilo.conf do? > -- > Steffen > > higels@tcd.ie > http://matrix.netsoc.tcd.ie/~steffen > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for > (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > From cmcclean at ait.ie Fri Feb 4 08:57:57 2000 From: cmcclean at ait.ie (Cormac McClean) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! References: <20000203191531.19464.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <389A9672.30C2813F@ait.ie> Mike, > I'm seriously thinking of re-building our system over the summer, removing > Novell and installing Linux, using SAMBA to link Windoze to Linux. And if it Want a hand with that? I'm free from mid-June to end of August and would be happy to assist if you wanted an extra hand. I worked in a school in Navan (I won't mention the name...) last year where the computer lab was really only getting off the ground. 15 PCs running Win95, peer-to-peer network. My next step would have been to install Linux on all machines, setup a Linux server and so forth. However, as things turned out, I'm now enjoying life in AIT and didn't get to implement the sweeping changes to drag the school into the 20th century (never mind the 21st century) - their choice, not mine, school politics and all that. I'd like to see this start to take shape. If we get things up and running in one school, we can establish a framework and procedures to do likewise in other schools. Count me in! > I was thinking about the Linux situation lately and discussing it with > another teacher. Set up properly, the students don't even need floppies - > they have their own area on the server, etc. I find that they lose them, > forget to take them out of the pc when they leave, etc. Ya, I remember that... not to mention some students deliberately "losing" another's disk. We actually have the same problems in AIT with WinNT - guest logins only, no home directories. This will be different with the students doing the Linux course, but they're in the minority (for now). Regards, Cormac. Michael Treacy wrote: > Cormac, > > You've just mentioned EVERYTHING that I said in a mail to the list about 2 > weeks ago. > > I teach computers in a school in Limerick. I've also been responsible for > setting up the network - Novell 4.11 and 30 PC's running Windoze 95. After > that, our only requirments are a suite of programs for Wordprocessing, > Database and Spreadsheets. > > Now as I see it, KOffice (when it's finished) or Star Office or Applixware > could fulfill all of this for us. I would probably go with one of the first > two due to them being free!! > > Graphics software is available (The GIMP), and almost everything else you > could want. > > I'm seriously thinking of re-building our system over the summer, removing > Novell and installing Linux, using SAMBA to link Windoze to Linux. And if it > wasn't for the fact that the school is used for night classes in computers, > I would probably remove Windoze altogether and go down the Linux road > completely. I don't know about you, but I find it a right pain in the arse > having to "fix" all the things that students get up to on computers > espcially in Windoze. > > I was thinking about the Linux situation lately and discussing it with > another teacher. Set up properly, the students don't even need floppies - > they have their own area on the server, etc. I find that they lose them, > forget to take them out of the pc when they leave, etc. > > I really think it's definitely the way to go. But we would need to make > teachers aware of what CAN be done by, as you suggest, taking a school and > using it as a pilot school. And then maybe getting some articles into the > various educational journals about the project. Any teacher who teaches > computers cannot but be aware of the massive increase in interest in Linux > this past year. I definitely think we could arouse a lot of interest. > > Mike > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Fri Feb 4 09:02:40 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: scan ISDN TA References: Message-ID: <389A95AA.B35CECDC@arbgroup.com> Niall wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Vincent Cunniffe wrote: > > > It is listed as being compatible with Linux (it bloody well better be, > > coz I bought one ;-) and the analogue port is exactly the same as on a > > modem : it's an analogue passthrough that you can plug a phone, modem > > or fax machine into. > Not quite - it's not a pass through, because there is no analog phone line > to pass through. Instead, it's a D/A & A/D converter for a phone line. > Hence my earlier comment about the price. > > > Now if only the tossers in Eircom would install the ISDN line : currently > > 4 months late and holding. > > Bummer - where do you live ? I haven't even ordered my line yet. And if > you'd like to know if tha card works, pass it on and I'll check it out for > you :-) (I have access to ISDN lines elsewhere) I live in Blackrock, but as I posted yesterday, I've had the same problem ordering lines for work in the centre of Dublin. I have access to Linux and ISDN in work, but as usual I haven't got around to bringing it in for a test. Vin From david_hamilton3 at hp.com Fri Feb 4 09:04:11 2000 From: david_hamilton3 at hp.com (david_hamilton3@hp.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Maximum addressable disk space Message-ID: Hi All, I am currently looking at attaching about 1Tb of disk to a linux box, and am wondering if I have a hope in hell, or should I look at alternatives. Any info on maximum partition sizes etc would be most useful. Has anyone else attached this much or more? Thanks, David. ___________________________________________________________________________ __ David Hamilton Hewlett-Packard Consulting Technical Consultant From kernel at esatclear.ie Fri Feb 4 09:17:38 2000 From: kernel at esatclear.ie (Ross Lynch) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Script - Oops again Message-ID: <389A9936.2F3093A@esatclear.ie> Gah! chmod (0700, "$passfile"); just chmod the file with the passwd, as opposed to all the files. Ross. -- Ross Lynch 087 6548827 ross@excentric.com kernel@student.nuigalway.ie From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Fri Feb 4 09:19:53 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! In-Reply-To: <20000203211851.A5887@socc.ie>; from jbolger@socc.ie on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 09:18:51PM +0000 References: <20000203191531.19464.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000203211851.A5887@socc.ie> Message-ID: <20000204091847.A1207@online.ie> On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 09:18:51PM +0000, John Bolger mentioned: > > Now as I see it, KOffice (when it's finished) or Star Office or Applixware > > could fulfill all of this for us. I would probably go with one of the first > > two due to them being free!! > Unfortunately staroffice is resource hungry (in my experience it needs > more resources than MS Office) It could be pointed out that StarOffice now offers thin-client products. "StarOffice in a webpage" type stuff. If a PC was able to run a browser, and some Java, it could do this. The benifit of teaching people office products through a webbrowser would be of dubious value, but with the way the web is going these days... Kate From lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie Fri Feb 4 10:43:52 2000 From: lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie (Lars Hecking) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SCSI woes In-Reply-To: <20000201235759.A584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie>; from kenn@linux.ie on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 11:57:59PM +0000 References: <20000201235759.A584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> Message-ID: <20000204104333.E10613@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Kenn Humborg writes: > [...] On a similar note, what is the difference between Ultra Wide and Ultra 2 Wide? And what is LVD? All I know is that wide equates to 68-pin connetors ... From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Fri Feb 4 10:57:05 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SCSI woes References: <20000201235759.A584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> <20000204104333.E10613@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Message-ID: <389AB07C.8B97F88A@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > Kenn Humborg writes: > > > [...] > > On a similar note, what is the difference between Ultra Wide > and Ultra 2 Wide? And what is LVD? Ultra wide and ultra 2 wide are two different speeds : 40MB/s and 80MB/s respectively. 'Wide' refers to the width of the data path : it's twice the bit-width of narrow SCSI. LVD is low-voltage differential : it's a way to run signals a longer distance using voltage differences between wiring pairs, and it's generally used in stupidly large and external data storage systems. Fortunately, LVD devices are backwardly compatible to 'normal' or single-ended SCSI, and will fall back to SE mode if they don't detect an LVD controller and cable. > All I know is that wide equates to 68-pin connetors ... Most of them use 68-pin anyway at this stage. Vin From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Fri Feb 4 11:00:26 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] for next dublin meeting Message-ID: <20000204105921.E1258@online.ie> I fully expect everyone with a PalmIII or greater to have this installed & configured at the next meeting: http://gnukeyring.sourceforge.net/ (Store GPG keys on a pilot) Kate From dburke at compsoc.com Fri Feb 4 11:02:33 2000 From: dburke at compsoc.com (Dave Burke) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Sendmail Problems Message-ID: Morning, I came in this morning and I had a truckload of postmaster mail in my inbox. Turns out they all relate to one single account and they are all the same problem. Sendmail is reporting ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Can't create output What exactly does this mean? I mean /var is only at 20% and he's only used 25% of his quota on /home, so it doesn't seem to be a space problem. I backedup his INBOX and sent a test mail and I still got the same bounced message. Strange thing is, it's only happening for this one account. Knew I should have brought the bat book in this morning! Dave From lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie Fri Feb 4 11:06:58 2000 From: lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie (Lars Hecking) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Sendmail Problems In-Reply-To: ; from dburke@compsoc.com on Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 11:02:23AM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20000204110657.I10613@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 550 ... Can't create output Permissions and ownership of his spool file? > What exactly does this mean? I mean /var is only at 20% and he's only used > 25% of his quota on /home, so it doesn't seem to be a space problem. I > backedup his INBOX and sent a test mail and I still got the same bounced > message. Strange thing is, it's only happening for this one account. From virus at dna.ie Fri Feb 4 11:10:37 2000 From: virus at dna.ie (Virus) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] multiple pop addresses ...help! Message-ID: <389ab3ab.187.0@mail.dnet.co.uk> hi all, i was wondering if there was a program for linux that was similar to eudopa 4 pro for windows. i.e. to have a copule of different pop address , with diff usernames and server and the ability to switch between then . also filtering itno folders would be nice. am i asking too much. im running rh6.1 i also have a few other probs. when i do a ./configure ,at the very end it says something like failed to install prog to kde , check if qt was compiled using the same complier your using now. also has anyone have a quick faq to getting wine running. thanks in advance From cmcclean at ait.ie Fri Feb 4 11:14:18 2000 From: cmcclean at ait.ie (Cormac McClean) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <389AB647.2844558E@ait.ie> I wasn't aware of what was happening in St. Oliver's. (I jumped into this thread in mid-stream). Looks excellent. We need more of this, in more schools, and emphasising that *Linux* makes it all possible and affordable. Cormac. From Paul.Jakma at compaq.com Fri Feb 4 11:17:13 2000 From: Paul.Jakma at compaq.com (Jakma, Paul) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SCSI woes Message-ID: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81B9@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> > Kenn Humborg writes: > > > [...] > > On a similar note, what is the difference between Ultra Wide > and Ultra 2 Wide? And what is LVD? > All I know is that wide equates to 68-pin connetors ... > > Ultra uses absolute signalling[1], ie logic 1 = x Volts on the line (x = 3 iirc), logic 0 = 0V. that kind of signalling becomes more and more prone to distortion as the clock speed goes up. So the new industry standard: Ultra2 (aka LVD -> low voltage differential) Uses differential signalling. This uses 2 signalling wires and logic level is determined by the polarity of one compared to the other. Eg Logic 1 when + / - and logic 0 when - / +. Measuring polarity reversal is much easier to do reliably than measuring an absolute value reliably, so with LVD cable lengths can be much longer, and clock can be much higher. Also, as suggested by the LV bit, it uses lower voltage signals to represent + and -, (1 to 1.5V absolute iirc). Eg Ultra clocks at 20MHz and is very finicky about termination, cable lengths and physical spacing of devices on the bus. Ultra2 clocks at 40MHz yet is far less troublesome, and cable lengths are much longer. Ultra3 clocks at 80MHz. :) The wide bit refers to the width of the bus. SCSI-2 had narrow (byte width bus), and wide ( 2byte width bus ). AFAIK Ultra2 has dropped narrow support. All new Ultra2/Ultra3 devices will be 16bit/wide. regards, -paul. From cmcclean at ait.ie Fri Feb 4 11:17:29 2000 From: cmcclean at ait.ie (Cormac McClean) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <389AB716.AD6E8F40@ait.ie> What about Corel's Word Perfect for Linux? I gather that they are porting the full office suite to Linux (depending, I suppose, on the success of Corel Linux...). I agree, Star Office is very resource hungry... Cormac. From dburke at compsoc.com Fri Feb 4 11:20:35 2000 From: dburke at compsoc.com (Dave Burke) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Sendmail Problems In-Reply-To: <20000204110657.I10613@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Lars Hecking allegedly said: > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > 550 ... Can't create output > > Permissions and ownership of his spool file? No they were fine. Turns out he copied another users .procmailrc file changed all the recipies but forgot to chage the USER variable at the top of it and procmail didn't have write access to the other users mailbox......etc. etc. /me thanks dave rynne and hits himself for not spotting that in the first place :( Dave From David.Airlie at ul.ie Fri Feb 4 11:23:16 2000 From: David.Airlie at ul.ie (Dave Airlie) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Netscape In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think the netscape rpms provided with RH6.1 have a script installed as netscape in /usr/bin that does a lot of this all ready ... didn't notice it until recently, that although I ran netscape twice I only had on copy running... Dave. On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Martin Donlon wrote: > Wouldn't it be lovely if you know longer had to worry whether another > netscape window was open when you clicked on your little netscape Icon? > Nothing gets on my nerves more than seeing that little warning window pop > up so I wrote this: > > > #! /bin/sh > if ps x | grep -v "$0" | grep netscape | grep -v grep > /dev/null > then > netscape -noraise -remote 'openBrowser()' > else > netscape > fi > <------> > > Problem is when you close the original window all the others close too. > ANyone got a better solution? > > > Long live the confused, > Akawaka. > -- > Bother! said Pooh, as he deported Buchanan to Northern Ireland. > > > -- ------------ David Airlie, David.Airlie@ul.ie,airlied@skynet -------- Telecommunications Research Centre, ECE Dept, University of Limerick \ http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied -- Telecommunications Researcher \ --- TEL: +353-61-202695 ----------------------------------------------- From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Fri Feb 4 11:27:41 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] multiple pop addresses ...help! In-Reply-To: <389ab3ab.187.0@mail.dnet.co.uk>; from virus@dna.ie on Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 11:10:35AM +0000 References: <389ab3ab.187.0@mail.dnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20000204112635.H1258@online.ie> On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 11:10:35AM +0000, Virus mentioned: > i was wondering if there was a program for linux that was similar to eudopa > 4 pro for windows. > i.e. to have a copule of different pop address , with diff usernames and server > and the ability to switch > between then . also filtering itno folders would be nice. > am i asking too much. Not at all. Checkout "fetchmail", and it's "fetchmail-conf" script, that can set it up. It will download mail locally. You should then look into procmail for filtering into folders. You can then use any mail user agent (I suggest Mutt) to read your local mail. > i also have a few other probs. when i do a ./configure ,at the very end it says > something like failed to install prog to kde , check if qt was compiled using > the same complier your using now. Need more than that to help you. Try get the whole message. > also has anyone have a quick faq to getting wine running. It's called the "Wine-Howto". Check off www.winehq.com. Kate From lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie Fri Feb 4 11:32:07 2000 From: lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie (Lars Hecking) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SCSI woes In-Reply-To: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81B9@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net>; from Paul.Jakma@compaq.com on Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 11:17:07AM -0000 References: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E81B9@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> Message-ID: <20000204113206.B10953@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Jakma, Paul writes: [snip details] Great explanation, thanks to all who replied! From lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie Fri Feb 4 11:32:49 2000 From: lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie (Lars Hecking) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Sendmail Problems In-Reply-To: ; from dburke@compsoc.com on Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 11:20:28AM +0000 References: <20000204110657.I10613@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Message-ID: <20000204113245.C10953@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Dave Burke writes: > On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Lars Hecking allegedly said: > > > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > > 550 ... Can't create output > > > > Permissions and ownership of his spool file? > > No they were fine. Turns out he copied another users .procmailrc file > changed all the recipies but forgot to chage the USER variable at the top > of it and procmail didn't have write access to the other users > mailbox......etc. etc. Why would they need USER at all? procmail supplies LOGNAME. From JSmyth at Saleslan.com Fri Feb 4 11:42:58 2000 From: JSmyth at Saleslan.com (Jeremy Smyth) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Procmail and notification Message-ID: <3F90AAEA98ACD21186B30060084822590BD355@SLWEB> Is there any way I can get asmail to notify me when I get new mail into one of my OTHER folders? Here's what I've done... .procmailrc finds all mails with "[ILUG]" in the subject, routes them to $HOME/mail/ILUG. This works. My $HOME/.asmailrc file had the default mail folder (/var/spool/mail/jer IIRC), didn't do it. Also pointed it to $HOME/mail/ILUG. No dice. asmail seems to only pick up messages in the newmail folder. Thanks, /jer From brian.galbraith at bigfoot.com Fri Feb 4 12:18:34 2000 From: brian.galbraith at bigfoot.com (brian.galbraith@bigfoot.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] multiple pop addresses ...help! In-Reply-To: <389ab3ab.187.0@mail.dnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20000204121829.161067B069@satsuma.mail.easynet.net> On 4 Feb 00, at 11:10, Virus wrote: > hi all, > > i was wondering if there was a program for linux that was similar to eudopa > 4 pro for windows. i.e. to have a copule of different pop address , with > diff usernames and server and the ability to switch between then . also > filtering itno folders would be nice. am i asking too much. > > im running rh6.1 Used to use Eudora myself.... I find XFmail to be quite good. Latest version is 1.4.4, and that is as high as it will go. It is currently being ported to GTK+ and will be known as Archimedes. You can look at XFmail on http://xfmail.slappy.org Regards Brian Brian Galbraith PGP/GnuPG encrypted mail preferred From brian.galbraith at bigfoot.com Fri Feb 4 12:19:00 2000 From: brian.galbraith at bigfoot.com (brian.galbraith@bigfoot.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! In-Reply-To: <389AB716.AD6E8F40@ait.ie> Message-ID: <20000204121830.68FB77B4C4@satsuma.mail.easynet.net> On 4 Feb 00, at 11:25, Cormac McClean wrote: > What about Corel's Word Perfect for Linux? I gather that they are > porting the full office suite to Linux (depending, I suppose, on > the success of Corel Linux...). > > I agree, Star Office is very resource hungry... > > Cormac. > > -- Certainly is....but M$ Office is a standard, and Staroffice deals with Office Documents very nicely. I can work at home with Star Office and mail documents to the Office with no problems. Star Office is also free, and I can't see Corel "giving" away their Office Suite. Having said that.....I will be happy to be pleasently surprised! Regards Brian Brian Galbraith PGP/GnuPG encrypted mail preferred From fvacuum at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 12:36:13 2000 From: fvacuum at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Ronny=20Bangsund?=) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Another journalling filesystem Message-ID: <20000204123609.24539.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> This seems to be a new trend these days... Here's IBM's version - as used in $HIGH_END_SYSTEM: http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From nearyd at khumbu.eeng.dcu.ie Fri Feb 4 12:50:41 2000 From: nearyd at khumbu.eeng.dcu.ie (David Neary) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] mkfs.ext2 problem... In-Reply-To: <3899F312.BBA5AEDE@iag.net> Message-ID: Hi, AFAIK (and I'm (always) open to correction), the extended partition doesn't have to be the fourth. Basically there's space at the end of the first sector for four partitions in the partition table, and as long as you have one (bootable) primary partition, you're grand. In fact, IIRC, RedHat's partitioning tool only creates one primary partition, and sets everything else up as an extended partition (so /dev/hda2 is extended, /dev/hda5 (first non-primary partition) is ext2 or whatever, and so on. The extended partitions work a little like a linked list. The main partition table tells the 'puter where to find the first extended partition, and then in that "extended partition table" there's info on the size of the partition, and where to find the next extended partition, etc. At least, this is how I believe it works. If it didn't then I would have had to have one of hdc5-8 as an extended partition to add hdc9. In any case, I dson't think that would have a major effect on me being unable to set up an ext2 partition in /dev/hdc2. But it's interesting, all the same :) Thanks for the reply, Dave Neary. On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Jeff Rose wrote: > I guess I am getting real rusty on this! I was curious why you didn't > have /dev/hdc4 as EXTENDED, and /dev/hdc3 a normal ext2 (83) partition? > I thought the 4th-level was the EXTENDED marker: > > ... as I notice you did with /dev/hdc5-8, hdc8 is a a '4th' (not > EXTENDED as hdc3). > > Ready to learn again, > > Jeff > -- > ( >- Jeff Rose - everyone's Linux User Group (eLUG) -< ) > /~\ http://www.elug.org mailto:jrose@elug.org /~\ > | \) *** Freelance Linux/IT Writer *** (/ | > |_|_ eFAX: +1.630.604.4130 _|_| > From albertw at netsoc.ucd.ie Fri Feb 4 13:08:01 2000 From: albertw at netsoc.ucd.ie (Albert White (Sysadmin)) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] xv [was Job Offer] In-Reply-To: ; from niall@mailtest.inpho.ie on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 11:20:35PM +0000 References: <21F0AC750696D311B8F000600856E8670196C6@hopkins.dublin.wbtsystems.com> Message-ID: <20000204130759.A23007@orca.ucd.ie> On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 11:20:35PM +0000, Niall wrote: > The software may be modified for your own purposes, but modified versions > may not be distributed without prior consent of the author. So this licence takes away youre 'right to fork'....kinda like the SCSL. But thats ok cause its xv and not say...Solaris. just a thought, Al -- Albert White Head Sysadmin, UCD Internet society - www.netsoc.ucd.ie From John_Gay at eur.3com.com Fri Feb 4 13:17:52 2000 From: John_Gay at eur.3com.com (John Gay) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Partitions. Thanks! it worked a treat. Message-ID: <8025687B.004A5961.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Thanks for the detailed info on using tar. It certainly made me feel better knowing what was going on. I just created /opt, and pointed fstab to an empty partition. Then I used your command to move /var. Being paranoid, I just had a browse through /mnt when I was done and checked to see what was moved. It was all there. Then I used the same technique to copy /usr. This currently resides on a 2G partition, an is 1.8G already! I used your command again, and. . . waited. Then I went down stairs to get a smoke. Had another look, and finished my smoke. Then I went and made a cup of tea. Enjoyed the tea, and was just about to go make another one, when it finally finished! I updated fstab, and re-booted, and . . . Everything worked perfectly! I love when a plan comes together. I've now got /usr, /var and /opt on separate partitions. /home, / and my swap space are still on their original partitions. and I've got a free 2G partition where /usr used to live. My next step is to re-arrange my first hard drive. I can use the same trick to back-up /home to a sub-directory of /var for the moment. I am just concerned about / and swap. Is swap initialised in single-user mode? Even if it is, I should be able to just un-initialise it, right? The most worrying point is messing with /. I do have two 800M partitions set aside for CD images, so I should be able to copy / to there, and then burn it to CD. But how do I copy / without including /home, /var, /usr and /opt? I just want an exact copy of the partition. is there a command I can use to copy a partition directly, rather than having to work with the entire file system? That way I could just say copy /dev/hda2 and be done with it. I think I'll also copy my kernel to floppy, and change the floppy to boot from CD for the time being. What was the command for changing the root device? Thanks again for all your help and understanding. Little by little, this UNIX stuff is sinking in. I am hoping to get some training courses in UNIX soon, then I can start helping others and stop bothering everyone on this list. Cheers, John Gay From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Fri Feb 4 13:22:34 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Partitions. Thanks! it worked a treat. References: <8025687B.004A5961.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Message-ID: <389AD295.38B3288@arbgroup.com> > My next step is to re-arrange my first hard drive. I can use the same trick to > back-up /home to a sub-directory of /var for the moment. I am just concerned > about / and swap. swapon /dev/hda3 (or whatever is relevant) swapoff /dev/hda3 Runtime, of course ;-) So, just switch it off, move it, and switch it back on again. > Is swap initialised in single-user mode? Even if it is, I should be able to just > un-initialise it, right? The most worrying point is messing with /. I do have > two 800M partitions set aside for CD images, so I should be able to copy / to > there, and then burn it to CD. But how do I copy / without including /home, > /var, /usr and /opt? I just want an exact copy of the partition. is there a > command I can use to copy a partition directly, rather than having to work with > the entire file system? That way I could just say copy /dev/hda2 and be done > with it. I think I'll also copy my kernel to floppy, and change the floppy to > boot from CD for the time being. What was the command for changing the root > device? > > Thanks again for all your help and understanding. Little by little, this UNIX > stuff is sinking in. I am hoping to get some training courses in UNIX soon, then > I can start helping others and stop bothering everyone on this list. No, then you can lurk on the listy and let others bother you ;-) Vin From ags at tinet.ie Fri Feb 4 13:26:19 2000 From: ags at tinet.ie (Alan Sobey) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! References: <20000203191531.19464.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000203211851.A5887@socc.ie> <20000204091847.A1207@online.ie> Message-ID: <00bc01bf6f13$9c0f3f90$0203a8c0@awlid.lan> > It could be pointed out that StarOffice now offers thin-client products. > "StarOffice in a webpage" type stuff. If a PC was able to run a browser, > and some Java, it could do this. I presume it's StarPortal you're referring to. I don't think it's available yet. If anyone has info to the contrary, please post. Alan. From colm at tuatha.org Fri Feb 4 14:16:22 2000 From: colm at tuatha.org (Colm Buckley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SCSI woes In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:43:33 GMT Message-ID: <200002041416.OAA02364@dagda.tuatha.org> > On a similar note, what is the difference between Ultra Wide > and Ultra 2 Wide? And what is LVD? > All I know is that wide equates to 68-pin connetors ... All these SCSI questions, and more, are answered very well at the Ars echnica "Paedia" site - the SCSI section is at: http://arstechnica.com/paedia/s/scsi.html Hope this helps, Colm -- Colm Buckley B.A. B.F. # colm@tuatha.org # +353 87 2469146 http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ # whois cb3765 I believe in the Certainty of Chance. From fuking_machine at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 15:02:33 2000 From: fuking_machine at yahoo.com (Eugenio Acs) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] [ILUG] Message-ID: <20000204150155.20732.qmail@web3506.mail.yahoo.com> mill's altar of sacrifice "Competition is a by-product of productive work, not its goal. A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others." - Ayn Rand, The Moratorium on Brain "You and me baby Todos somos iguales! @By NorK_NyTrO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Fri Feb 4 15:20:42 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! In-Reply-To: <8025687B.002FAC57.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, John Gay wrote: > the schools can pass it up. I recently saw an ad in the Buy-N-Sell for 21 486 > computers for £4,500! This would provide a complete classroom of X-Terminals > that could be networked to one P III running the software. Except that 486s make cruddy X-terminals - they just don't have the bitblt-ing balls for the job, and they're unlikely to have high end graphics card to make up for it. > As Linux's memory management would only open one instance of the package > and share it between the terminals The only thing that's shared is the code - each instance of the process of course requires its own data, which can be pretty large for a big app. > the performance of 21 terminals off of one PC would not be severe. Unless they all tried to run Star Office, or the Gimp, or Netscape, or . . I don't want to sound like a wet blanket, but I'd hate people to rush in bull-headed and make fools of themselves. Old boxes make fine print servers / internet gateways, and even file servers if you're not too pushed about performance, but they won't cut the mustard when people are comparing them to their 300 MHz home PC running Windoze, even counting the price. Regards, Niall O Broin From david_hamilton3 at hp.com Fri Feb 4 15:21:01 2000 From: david_hamilton3 at hp.com (david_hamilton3@hp.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Fibre channel Message-ID: Anyone know if Linux supports external Fibre Channel Disk? ___________________________________________________________________________ __ David Hamilton Hewlett-Packard Consulting Technical Consultant From padraigf at compapp.dcu.ie Fri Feb 4 15:23:22 2000 From: padraigf at compapp.dcu.ie (Padraig Finnerty) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: Procmail and notification In-Reply-To: <3F90AAEA98ACD21186B30060084822590BD355@SLWEB>; from Jeremy Smyth on Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 11:39:22AM -0000 References: <3F90AAEA98ACD21186B30060084822590BD355@SLWEB> Message-ID: <20000204152354.A26204@lucid.compapp.dcu.ie> On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 11:39:22AM -0000 Jeremy Smyth wrote: > Is there any way I can get asmail to notify me when I get new mail into one > of my OTHER folders? > I have a script which sends the Subject and From fields from every mail to /dev/console, it's run for every mail I receive. You can usually tell what list it's from, as ILUG mails have an [ILUG] in the subject line etc. I call the script from the .forward file, my .forward looks like this: % cat ~/.forward "|IFS=' '&&exec /usr/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #padraig" "|/home/padraig/bin/vbiff" % The first line is a call to procmail, the second sends the e-mail through my vbiff script, which basically greps out the From and Subject fields and sends them to /dev/console. It looks like this: % cat ~/bin/vbiff #! /bin/sh echo new mail received at `date` > /dev/console formail -z -XFrom: -XSubject: > /dev/console % Then you can see it by running an xconsole, which looks like this: http://www.csn.ul.ie/~padraig/vbiff.png Padraig From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Fri Feb 4 15:27:06 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] xv [was Job Offer] In-Reply-To: <20000204130759.A23007@orca.ucd.ie> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Albert White (Sysadmin) wrote: > > The software may be modified for your own purposes, but modified versions > > may not be distributed without prior consent of the author. > > So this licence takes away youre 'right to fork'....kinda like the SCSL. > But thats ok cause its xv and not say...Solaris. > > just a thought, Nobody mentioned OK or not OK - xv's been around for a long time and it does what it does, and use it or not as you like. And just like everything else, you either live with the license terms or you don't. Regards, Niall O Broin From tdoris at compapp.dcu.ie Fri Feb 4 15:39:26 2000 From: tdoris at compapp.dcu.ie (Tom Doris) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! References: Message-ID: <389AF2DA.3F90EDBD@compapp.dcu.ie> > Except that 486s make cruddy X-terminals - they just don't have the > bitblt-ing balls for the job, and they're unlikely to have high end > graphics card to make up for it. > > > As Linux's memory management would only open one instance of the package > > and share it between the terminals > > The only thing that's shared is the code - each instance of the process of > course requires its own data, which can be pretty large for a big app. > > > the performance of 21 terminals off of one PC would not be severe. > > Unless they all tried to run Star Office, or the Gimp, or Netscape, or . . > > I don't want to sound like a wet blanket, but I'd hate people to rush in > bull-headed and make fools of themselves. Old boxes make fine print > servers / internet gateways, and even file servers if you're not too > pushed about performance, but they won't cut the mustard when people are > comparing them to their 300 MHz home PC running Windoze, even counting the > price. What's really missing is any kind of well-formed IT curriculum for Irish schools. Even with regard to 3rd level, the government to date has been pretty clueless with regard to formulating policies - generally they attempt to make encouraging sounds but avoid any effort to provide direction. If we had a solid curriculum then we could decide what the hardware and software requirements would be. If the Dept. of Education decides that they want to provide school leavers with basic "IT skills" they would probably focus on MS/Win products, however for Math/Science courseware the Linux alternative would be a viable one providing that software tailored specifically for the Irish Leaving Cert was available. A brief look at the Dept. of Education site http://www.irlgov.ie/educ/ gives a lot of info on their IT for schools policy e.g.: " 1.1 Ireland lags significantly behind its European partners in the integration of information and communication technologies (ICTs) into first and second-level education. The need to integrate technology into teaching and learning right across the curriculum is a major national challenge that must be met in the interests of Ireland's future economic well being. In the Action Programme for the New Millennium the Government commits itself to address this and achieve computer literacy throughout the school system. This document, which is based on the work of an expert Steering Group, sets out a comprehensive and innovative programme for realising this objective." Personally I think Linux can definitely benefit schools who currently are in a state of perpetual replacement of h/w and s/w, mainly funded by private contributions. Involvement on the part of the Dept. of Education wrt Linux in schools would probably help a lot. Anyone in with the Minister? :-) Tom -- Tom Doris Dublin City University Dept. Computer Applications http://www.compapp.dcu.ie/~tdoris From John_White at dell.com Fri Feb 4 15:43:52 2000 From: John_White at dell.com (John_White@dell.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Hot docking with linux . . . . Message-ID: <0DA45002C12BD2119CF80060084CC5A001F3DA8E@limxmmf104.mfg.ie.dell.com> Just a thought here, is there an easy way of trapping the signal in the kernel that triggers when a notebook is hot docked / undocked. I have noticed that linux at least responds and displays some text on the console (forget what it is) when you hot dock it (at least on a Dell Cpi) it shouldn't be too difficult to trap this and have it execute a script based on what state it is going to. (and then have that script launch / shutdown eth0, kill X & restart a new server etc.) Has anyone done this already ? Is it handled in a more controlled way already ? Does linux detect a dock on all docking stations ? Just thoughts . . . . if anyone knows answers, you might post and let me know . . . . . It would be an interesting thing to work on . . . . How do other unixen treat hot docking ? (I know at least sun produce(d) notebooks with solaris on them From patjryan at yahoo.com Fri Feb 4 15:53:04 2000 From: patjryan at yahoo.com (P.J. Ryan) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Resetting a Multiport In-Reply-To: <200002041218.MAA03769@lugh.tuatha.org> Message-ID: Is there a quick way of resetting a serial user or the whole serial multport board when their terminal gets scrambled. P.J. Ryan From subb3 at attglobal.net Fri Feb 4 16:10:24 2000 From: subb3 at attglobal.net (Subba Rao) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] fetchmail limit/warning flags Message-ID: <20000204110958.A27198@attglobal.net> I am using fetchmail as root, to collect the mail for all users on my system. The cronjob entry is as follows: fetchmail -a -K -s -l 50000 -w 1800 -t 90 The limit and warning flags, do not notify the root or the individual users of an oversized mail still sitting on the ISP's POP server. Is anyone else experiencing this problem with fetchmail? Subba Rao subb3@attglobal.net http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <= http://www.smcinnovations.com From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Fri Feb 4 16:32:39 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Fibre channel In-Reply-To: ; from david_hamilton3@hp.com on Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 03:20:27PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20000204163130.E991@online.ie> On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 03:20:27PM +0000, david_hamilton3@hp.com mentioned: > Anyone know if Linux supports external Fibre Channel Disk? To be honest, if you are building a big server like that, you are better off organising a support contract with Linuxcare/RedHat, and asking them. I really doubt many ILUG heads would be happy to recommend how to setup a 1TB database off fibrechannel... Kate From dave.wilson at heanet.ie Fri Feb 4 16:38:13 2000 From: dave.wilson at heanet.ie (Dave Wilson) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] xv [was Job Offer] In-Reply-To: ; from niall@mailtest.inpho.ie on Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 03:20:47PM +0000 References: <20000204130759.A23007@orca.ucd.ie> Message-ID: <20000204163811.R11269@urda.heanet.ie> > Nobody mentioned OK or not OK - xv's been around for a long time and it > does what it does, and use it or not as you like. And just like everything > else, you either live with the license terms or you don't. Am I right in saying that, recently, Red Hat have chosen not to? I see my mutt on RH6.0 kicks off Electric Eyes... Dave -- dave.wilson@heanet.ie --------------------------------------- +353-1-662-3412 It is one thing to pray; it is another to pray to entities who might not only be listening, but who will search you out on the road and beat you across the head with sticks if you say something that offends them. -- Neil Gaiman ------------------ For crypto key send a blank message to davew+pgp@heanet.ie From thomas.bridge at via-net-works.ie Fri Feb 4 18:26:35 2000 From: thomas.bridge at via-net-works.ie (Thomas Bridge) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: europe v. US in crypto ( Re: [ILUG] dvd/cca and free software ...) References: <15AD5D7936F8D21198240000F831776E3E8186@dboexc1.dbo.cpqcorp.net> <20000201120945.A5778@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <389B16C2.171C5670@via-net-works.ie> Colin Whittaker wrote: > So how many widely used algorithms dont have published source. > Makes the rules a bit pointless, doesn't it. It's a government. What does having a point got to do with it? T. -- Thomas Bridge 26 Upper Fitzwilliam St., Senior Hostmaster/Sysadmin, Dublin 2, VIA NET.WORKS Ireland. Ph: +353 1 6763600 thomas.bridge@via-net-works.ie Fax: +353 1 6627674 From Peter.Heslin at ucd.ie Fri Feb 4 18:36:36 2000 From: Peter.Heslin at ucd.ie (Peter Heslin) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Internet Setup Script In-Reply-To: <389A1728.C3DE8B8B@excentric.com>; from Ross Lynch on Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 12:02:48AM +0000 References: <389A1728.C3DE8B8B@excentric.com> Message-ID: <20000204184232.A8720@fas.harvard.edu> On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 12:02:48AM +0000, Ross Lynch wrote: > Hey, > > Well, I've made some modifications to the script (ie. got it working) > and translated it to PERL too. It works fine now, and new ISP's are easy > to add. Can I make a few suggestions about this code without sounding like an ungrateful ass? I can tell you from personal experience that it is a nightmare to support a Perl script that does not check the success of /all/ system calls. If Perl cannot open the file you want, it will run merrily on without so much as a whisper, only to fail at a later stage when you rely upon the existance of the filehandle you think you got earlier. People will e-mail you with reports of your script throwing an exception miles away from and seemingly unrelated to the actual problem, which becomes a nightmare to figure out. So do it like this: open (RESOLV, ">>/etc/resolv.conf") or die "Couldn't open resolv.conf: $!"; Also, what is going to happen to the length of this file if this script is run again and again? You might want to check for the preexistance of the lines you are going to append. A more general issue is that you might always want to catch all if ... elsif blocks with a final else. Otherwise a user that enters `?' instead of `y' or `n' may get bizzare results, which will be reported back to you in cryptic ways. You could make it even easier to add new ISP's if you were to abstract all of the ISP-specific data out of the code, and put it in a __DATA__ block at the end, but that may be more work than you want to do on this quickie. How about checking for the existance of /dev/modem before prompting for a serial port? You might look at the way wvdial handles this issue, which is very cool. Thanks for this; I still have not managed to get Surf No Limits working properly for me, so I am in no position to comment on the technical stuff. 8^) I am off now to see if I have caller-id disabled! (or should I have it enabled? Oh well ...) Peter From delphi91 at hotmail.com Fri Feb 4 19:25:34 2000 From: delphi91 at hotmail.com (Michael Treacy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <20000204192501.25198.qmail@hotmail.com> >What's really missing is any kind of well-formed IT curriculum for Irish >schools. Here in Limerick, a number of schools are involved in a "pilot" program involving a computer science curriculum for Leaving Cert. It was started 20 years ago in conjunction with a local school and what was then N.I.H.E., Limerick (U.L.) At a recent meeting to discusss the course, where it was at and where it should go, an interesting point was made. There were two people at the meeting, the Chief Inspector in the Dept. of Ed and also a guy who works for the NCCA (who design curricula). Now the NCCA have been working on a computer science curriculum for a while and I believe will be making some recommendations to the Minister of Ed. But after this guy had his say, the Chief Inspector then commented that while he didn't think that the NCCA were wasting their time, it was very unlikely that the Dept would accept the new course. His reason? Well, it seems that there are already 32 different subjects on the Leaving Cert and very little room for anymore! The irony of this of course is the big I.T.2000 program that the Dept of Ed introduced a couple of years ago. Every school got a free computer, an ISDN line (or a phone line if they didn't already have an phone line for net access) and Eircom donated something like an hours free web access per day for two years. What they neglected to mention was that while the web access was free, the line rental wasn't! So, in theory, while you may not have been able to make use of the web access, you were still paying line rental of around £30 per month! There already is a computer science curriculum in place - it is an option for the Leaving cert Maths course. I don't know how many schools attempt it, but since my school is involved in tecahing this pilot course from U.L., we register our students as having done the Maths option. I don't know the exact contents of this course, but when I last looked at it, we seemed to be covering 99.9% of it in the other course. My argument is that once you know the basics of word processing, etc, it doesn't make a blind bit of difference what the package is! It can be MS Word, StarOffice, CVorel Wordperfect, Applixware, KOffice, TeX, whatever... So, why shouldn't we go down the Linux road. Actually, if I was to install a "suite", what would people recommend? I use StarOffice myself, but it is a hungry beasty. Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From allsop at csn.ul.ie Fri Feb 4 19:37:12 2000 From: allsop at csn.ul.ie (allsop) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Threads, fork etc Message-ID: Hello all I'm working on developing a network server program at the moment, and I'd like to make it as stable and reliable as problem. So far, I've been messing around with threads, forks etc. Basically what I want to do is span a new thread to handle each new client connection. I'm using threads to handle this part. The problem is that I further want each thread to execute another seperate program, which the spawned thread can then control using signals or some other IPC. So far I'm planning on doing this using a fork from within the thread. The problem is that I'm a bit fuzzy on the overheads etc associated with threads, forks etc. So basically, what are the problems with architecture outlined above, and is there a better way of doing it? Thanks all Patrick From nhynes at bigfoot.com Fri Feb 4 20:20:18 2000 From: nhynes at bigfoot.com (nhynes@bigfoot.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Turtle Beach In-Reply-To: <008b01bf6e71$fb261500$568391c2@nx0wc> Message-ID: > I have a turtle beach Montego A3D PCI Sound card that I would like to get > working under linux. I tried the two turtle beach drivers that came with red > hat V6.0 and the sound blaster pro ones, with no success. This card was > shipped with a fair number of Dell computers so I imagine someone else must > have come across this problem. Any solutions or ideas? > Liam > > I had one working on a Dell Optiplex with Redhat 6.0. Got the driver from www.opensound.com osslinux392o-glibc-20x_tar.gz Hope this helps. Noel From John_Gay at eur.3com.com Fri Feb 4 20:54:30 2000 From: John_Gay at eur.3com.com (John Gay) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <8025687B.0074221F.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> John: Has St Ollie's got Learning Logic, or some other classroom-learning oriented software? I know about the different office, network and programming type stuff. I am interested in School specific type apps. It is difficult to convince a school to change from MS office to Linux office when there is little obvious benefit. But if we could show them stuff like Learning Logic, specific school oriented stuff, it would give us a much better argument. We also can't forget apps to make the teachers lives easier. If someone with teaching experience could help lay-out specific apps for teachers: things for tracking grades, performance, what-ever else it is teachers do, this could also be implemented into a school-based system. Head-Masters are not likely to be impressed with, 'I can give your students Web and E-Mail access.' But they would be very impressed with, 'This will teach your students to read, write, algebra AND give your teachers powerful tools for tracking student performance!' These are the areas we should concentrate on developing and pushing for our schools. These are the type of app's that the people with the money want to see in the schools. And if they can have them without having to spend loads for the OS and latest hardware as well, they will certainly listen, Cheers, John Gay From jbolger at socc.ie Fri Feb 4 22:01:48 2000 From: jbolger at socc.ie (John Bolger) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! In-Reply-To: <8025687B.0074221F.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com>; from John_Gay@eur.3com.com on Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 08:51:07PM +0000 References: <8025687B.0074221F.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> Message-ID: <20000204215832.A12312@socc.ie> On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 08:51:07PM +0000, John Gay wrote: > > > John: > > Has St Ollie's got Learning Logic, or some other classroom-learning > oriented software? I know about the different office, network and programming > type stuff. I am interested in School specific type apps. It is difficult to > convince a school to change from MS office to Linux office when there is little > obvious benefit. But if we could show them stuff like Learning Logic, specific > school oriented stuff, it would give us a much better argument. WE do not yet have it installed, but I will be taking a look at it over the next few days. At present we are only using Linux on the server - we still havent gone as far as using it on the desktop. We are looking into it though. > > We also can't forget apps to make the teachers lives easier. If someone with > teaching experience could help lay-out specific apps for teachers: things for > tracking grades, performance, what-ever else it is teachers do, this could also > be implemented into a school-based system. Head-Masters are not likely to be > impressed with, 'I can give your students Web and E-Mail access.' But they would > be very impressed with, 'This will teach your students to read, write, algebra > AND give your teachers powerful tools for tracking student performance!' I just succedded in moving the data for Facility CMIS (the student records system in use in most of Ireland) from the MS Access MSD files to a Postgresql database, using the ODBC driver. The facility program is used by almost everyone and does most of the admin work for many schools. This means the data for students is on the Linux box, and can be accessed by perl/python scripts, php, C and any other programming language, and is a first step to a linux based solution - the data is now accessable. IT should be difficult to write some tools to allow tracking of performance. > > These are the areas we should concentrate on developing and pushing for our > schools. These are the type of app's that the people with the money want to see > in the schools. And if they can have them without having to spend loads for the > OS and latest hardware as well, they will certainly listen, As the curriculium for other courses is available it should also be possible to make information about them available for free. There is a lot of info out ther, but unfortunately its not in the one place. If it could be put in the one place and given a standard format it could be delivered though any web browser. THis would essientially be a replacement to text books and would be a big project. However it would be very useful for disadvantaged areas where some people cant afford textbooks. > > Cheers, > > John Gay > > From John_Gay at eur.3com.com Sat Feb 5 08:11:28 2000 From: John_Gay at eur.3com.com (John Gay) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <8025687C.002E4583.00@notesmta.eur.3com.com> John Bolger wrote> I just succeeded in moving the data for Facility CMIS (the student records system in use in most of Ireland) from the MS Access MSD files to a Postgresql database, using the ODBC driver. The facility program is used by almost everyone and does most of the admin work for many schools. This means the data for students is on the Linux box, and can be accessed by perl/python scripts, php, C and any other programming language, and is a first step to a linux based solution - the data is now accessable. IT should be difficult to write some tools to allow tracking of performance.< This is a good starting point. If we could get some people to work on a Linux based app to work with this, it would make a good argument to the Headmaster to use Linux instead of M$. This could be packaged with Learning Logic as a possible school based system. I have also seen a package for Gaelic for sale at Eason's. I imagine that most of the data might be easily readable, and with a little work, a Linux app could be made to use the same data files, similar to the way lxdoom can use doom.wad files on Linux. I'm sure there are other programmes for other subjects that could be converted in a similar way. If we could develop and demonstrate a complete, Linux-based system, and include the argument of using cheaper, second-hard hardware, We could move Linux into the secondary school system in the same way that UNIX took over the Universities through the 70's and 80's. I would love to organise this project. Others who want to help can contact me directly via E-Mail. I'm new to Linux, but with a little help, I'm sure we could get this project rolling. Let me know who is interested by private E-Mail. Cheers, John Gay From kevin at suberic.net Sat Feb 5 12:59:20 2000 From: kevin at suberic.net (kevin lyda) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] xv [was Job Offer] References: <21F0AC750696D311B8F000600856E8670196C6@hopkins.dublin.wbtsystems.com> <20000204130759.A23007@orca.ucd.ie> Message-ID: <389C1A3A.4C0CFFEC@suberic.net> "Albert White (Sysadmin)" wrote: > So this licence takes away youre 'right to fork'....kinda like the SCSL. > But thats ok cause its xv and not say...Solaris. ok with who? redhat for instance had one of their developers write a replacement for xv and then quit distributing it. i was a big sun fan. sunos was my introduction to unix, and i think they've done a lot for the unix community, but lately i think they have their heads rammed firmly up their rears. the scsl is like going to a black-tie party naked except for a tiny black bow-tie. one week they carry redhat for sparc, the next they're never going to have a linux plan. they release solaris and java with the scsl, and then release nfs with a looser license. ibm - *IBM* fer cryin out loud - has a consistent linux policy. they seem to balance their interests with the communities interest very well. these are people who would go to usenix in ties. some friend's went to usenix in 1992 and the sun people were cool, while the ibm folks had great beer, stiff as boards, and generally "didn't get it." now it seems like times have changed. a lot of linux distributions will be carrying a jvm soon, and it will be supplied by ibm, not sun. i really hope sun gets a clue. it seems like they've gotten so tied up with battling microsoft that they've entered some constant war like state. kevin -- kevin@suberic.net Nutrition Facts fork()'ed on 37058400 Puns: 100% RDA (% good puns: 0) From kenn at linux.ie Sat Feb 5 13:03:05 2000 From: kenn at linux.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Netscape In-Reply-To: <389A891F.28B82815@oc2.com>; from John Allen on Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 08:09:03AM +0000 References: <20000204000145.A2453@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> <389A891F.28B82815@oc2.com> Message-ID: <20000205130230.A12157@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 08:09:03AM +0000, John Allen wrote: > Kenn Humborg wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 09:23:13PM +0000, Martin Donlon wrote: > > > Problem is when you close the original window all the others close too. > > > ANyone got a better solution? > > > > That's a bug in Netscape (or some library it uses). Try firing up netscape > > normally, browse around using 'right-click->Open In New Window' and then > > close a window. Most of the time this crashes Netscape on me. It used > > not do it. It started when I upgraded to 4.5 or something, so I downgraded > > to the 4.07 I was running and the problem didn't go away. It really pisses > > me off, because I'm a 'bunch-of-windows' type of browser user. > > > > Well I do this all the time with 4.7, and although it crashes ocassionally > (once or twice a day), its generally OK. Thanks for the data point. I reckon it's some funny interaction between RH5.2/glibc2.0/netscape. I'm planning a fresh install of RH6.1 soon. Hopefully that will clear it up. If not, it will have glibc2.1 so I can play with Mozilla instead. Later, Kenn From kevin at suberic.net Sat Feb 5 13:09:20 2000 From: kevin at suberic.net (kevin lyda) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Holgers Palm Software Message-ID: <389C1D02.39650898@suberic.net> i find this a bit more useful http://www.klawitter.de/palm/index.html From jm at jmason.org Sat Feb 5 16:52:49 2000 From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Threads, fork etc In-Reply-To: Message from allsop of "Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:39:08 GMT." Message-ID: <200002051653.QAA18256@callisto.netnoteinc.com> allsop said: > I'm working on developing a network server program at the moment, and I'd > like to make it as stable and reliable as problem. So far, I've been > messing around with threads, forks etc. Basically what I want to do is > span a new thread to handle each new client connection. I'm using threads > to handle this part. The problem is that I further want each thread to > execute another seperate program, which the spawned thread can then > control using signals or some other IPC. So far I'm planning on doing this > using a fork from within the thread. The problem is that I'm a bit fuzzy > on the overheads etc associated with threads, forks etc. So basically, > what are the problems with architecture outlined above, and is there a > better way of doing it? Do it UNIX-wise -- use fork(), and fork a process to handle each request if possible. Threads are a big reliability sacrifice, for obvious reasons -- if you coredump in one thread, the whole comes down around your ears -- coredump in a process, and only that proc will die. Forking is slower than threads -- but threadsafe development itself incurs a performance penalty, as locks are required around shared (or possibly-shared) data structures. But to answer the q you actually asked ;) -- you shouldn't have any problem forking processes from within a subthread AFAIK. --j. From delphi91 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 5 20:14:59 2000 From: delphi91 at hotmail.com (Michael Treacy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <20000205201422.83741.qmail@hotmail.com> >John Bolger wrote> >I just succeeded in moving the data for Facility CMIS (the student records >system in use in most of Ireland) from the MS Access MSD files to a >Postgresql database, using the ODBC driver. The facility program is used >by almost everyone and does most of the admin work for many schools. > >This means the data for students is on the Linux box, and can be accessed >by perl/python scripts, php, C and any other programming language, and >is a first step to a linux based solution - the data is now accessable. > >IT should be difficult to write some tools to allow tracking of >performance.< > Actually, this is a VERY good starting point. I got the job recently of getting computerised reporting up and running in our school using Facility. As a result of this, I spent many hours pouring over Facility and it's quirks and foibles. While it is an excellent resource, it is NOT that user friendly, and despite being essentially a database, it doesn't seem to allow the type of querying that a normal database should allow. So, here's a suggestion for a program which would be a BIG hit with the Headmasters/Principals - a User-friendly Linux front end to the databse. I don't want to knock CCM (who manufacture Facility) - they are entitled to make a profit as much as the next man, but Facility is VERY expensive, especially when you have a networked version of it. We recently upgraded from 5 users to 10 and it was as expensive as buying a single copy of a well known software giants Office Professional Suite. So, if a front end was "free", that would be a big selling point. In fact, even if it wasn't free, it's a suggestion for a commercial product. The program is used to send information/statistics back to the Dept. of Ed twice a year and they don't specifically look for a Facility version. I believe that there are other programs around which are also used, but Facility is the most common. So, why not start at the top with the people who hold the purse strings? Win them over and you have another group of advocates who wield a lot of power and control in the decision-making process. I would be glad to get involved in any way that I can in this also. I use the package and have come across many limitations. I'm not a C/C++ programmer, but any help I can give, I will. Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Sun Feb 6 01:33:54 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] I've lost my modem ! Message-ID: I've just installed SuSE 6.3 on a ox which works OK, including using kppp to SurfNoLimits. However, I want to use my own kernel rather than SuSE's default modular one. I'm not exactly a kernel newbie, but this one has me stumped. Having built the kernel, all is good except the modem. Kppp claims it's busy, and minicom gets no response from it - it's as if it wasn't there. The modem's at 0x3E8, IRQ 4 and I've nothing attached to the serial port at 3F8 so the IRQ shouldn't be a problem - in fact it's definitely not as the same box running Mandrake 5.3 with kernel 2.2.10 or SuSE 6.3 with the default kernel or Windoze quite happily uses the modem. So, what can I have buggered up in the kernel config. to have zapped my modem ? Kindest regards, Niall O Broin From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Sun Feb 6 01:40:08 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] QUAKE III Message-ID: I'm sure I saw this mentioned here recently, but I can't find it in the archives. Where can I get a copy of Linux Quake III ? I've looked in the shops but have only seen 'doze versions. Apart from "because you should" is there anyreason to prefer one version over the other ? I'll be running it on an AMD K6-III 450 with a Mystique G-400 (and a Voodoo 3 as soon as I can nick it back from the children). Regards, Niall O Broin From grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie Sun Feb 6 01:42:26 2000 From: grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie (Colin Whittaker) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: I've lost my modem ! In-Reply-To: ; from niall@mailtest.inpho.ie on Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 01:27:33AM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20000206014150.A84177@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Niall stated the following on Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 01:27:33AM +0000 : > I've just installed SuSE 6.3 on a ox which works OK, including using kppp > to SurfNoLimits. However, I want to use my own kernel rather than SuSE's > default modular one. I'm not exactly a kernel newbie, but this one has me > stumped. Having built the kernel, all is good except the modem. Kppp > claims it's busy, and minicom gets no response from it - it's as if it > wasn't there. The modem's at 0x3E8, IRQ 4 and I've nothing attached to the > serial port at 3F8 so the IRQ shouldn't be a problem - in fact it's > definitely not as the same box running Mandrake 5.3 with kernel 2.2.10 or > SuSE 6.3 with the default kernel or Windoze quite happily uses the modem. > So, what can I have buggered up in the kernel config. to have zapped my > modem ? what ouput does the kernel produce on startup, dmesg should be able to output the last batch of boot messages. Did you forget to build in serial support into the kernel? -- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | "Crystalline perfection is brittle" | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Sun Feb 6 12:29:14 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! In-Reply-To: <20000204192501.25198.qmail@hotmail.com>; from delphi91@hotmail.com on Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 07:25:01PM +0000 References: <20000204192501.25198.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20000206122808.A1585@online.ie> On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 07:25:01PM +0000, Michael Treacy mentioned: > There already is a computer science curriculum in place - it is an option > for the Leaving cert Maths course. I don't know how many schools attempt it, > but since my school is involved in tecahing this pilot course from U.L., we > register our students as having done the Maths option. I don't know the > exact contents of this course, but when I last looked at it, we seemed to be > covering 99.9% of it in the other course. In the school we did it in, it was pretty poor. Granted that that was about lumme...1992 or so, but we covered: COMAL (COBOL/BASIC hybrid - absolutely useless) Text based spreadsheet (close to useless) Art Packages (I can't say how close to useless this was) Thankfully, another teacher who did have a bit of a clue got us into C, and after a few weeks, we were showing him some cool graphics stuff we were doing at home (on Amigas - back then, 16 year olds didn't have PCs). The level of computing taught in schools then was disturbingly pathetic. My little sister (about 16) is very very bright - sorta Lisa Simpson like. However, she, and the rest of her 1200+ school don't get more than ten minutes a week at a computer. I'd say the primary reason is that teachers don't have the time or the training to show them how they work, and how to use them. I love teaching, but I'm not very good at it, and would love more practise at it (one of the reasons I agreed to take on the running/ organising of the monthly Dublin Meetings. And there are many ILUG members that would love a chance to teach what they know to complete newbies. Could you recommend a way that ILUG people could actually get into teaching in schools, in their spare time ? It would be excellent if there was someone like the "teacher with a clue" in every school - it was an hour or two a week, after school, learning cool stuff like pointers in C and how hard drives worked. It's not something for everyone, but once you get an idea of what you can do with computers at a young age...and I'm sure there has to be one teacher in every school in the country that would like an ILUG member to call out for an hour or three a week teaching them stuff too. Kate From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Sun Feb 6 12:37:49 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Holgers Palm Software In-Reply-To: <389C1D02.39650898@suberic.net>; from kevin@suberic.net on Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 12:52:18PM +0000 References: <389C1D02.39650898@suberic.net> Message-ID: <20000206123644.C1585@online.ie> On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 12:52:18PM +0000, kevin lyda mentioned: > i find this a bit more useful > http://www.klawitter.de/palm/index.html I was looking at that, and GnuKeyRing. When I saw GNU Keyring I thought "Cool. Something to store GPG keys". And it doesn't. It's for passwords. Urk. Don't suppose any Palm programmers could write a little thing for storing GPG keys, and some capacity to beam them to other people ? I'd love to be able to export all my keys from my Linux box to my Pilot.. Kate From eman at eircom.net Sun Feb 6 14:43:50 2000 From: eman at eircom.net (Emmanuel Stone) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] screenshifting Message-ID: <389D89D6.AF800236@eircom.net> Tis a minor problem, but X and windows seem to be displaying the picture on different parts of the monitor. As a result of which i have to move my hand towards the monitor and move a dial very slightly, every time i swap os. Can anybody give me any help on this? -eman From eman at eircom.net Sun Feb 6 14:49:10 2000 From: eman at eircom.net (Emmanuel Stone) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] [SOT] mindstorms - machine learning Message-ID: <389D8B1A.CD4F8B32@eircom.net> I have been knocking around the idea of a robotic learning project. A few questions: Is linux suited to this sort of project, can it be speeded up slimmed down for this sort of number crunching? Is there are existing programs dealing with machine learning, classifier systems etc written for linux. How difficult is it to use NQC a. on linux b. at all for this sort of project. Is it possible to control Mindstorms without using the language supplied (i think it's NQC but i'm getting a bit paranoid) a. under linux b. at all And finally would anybody like to give me a. lots of money for some mindstorms b. lots of mindstorms. Hope someone can be of help, -eman p.s. sorry about a. the only slight linux relevance and b. all the a.b. shite(it's addictive) From bro1 at operamail.com Sun Feb 6 14:53:05 2000 From: bro1 at operamail.com (Linas Jakucionis) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] screenshifting In-Reply-To: <389D89D6.AF800236@eircom.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Emmanuel Stone wrote: > Tis a minor problem, but X and windows seem to be displaying the picture > on different parts of the monitor. As a result of which i have to move > my hand towards the monitor and move a dial very slightly, every time i > swap os. You should run xvidtune - it allows you to adjust display settings. But it does not save those settings, you should manually edit /etc/X11/XF86Config according the setting you find out with xvidtune regards Linas Jakucionis From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Sun Feb 6 14:54:54 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] screenshifting In-Reply-To: <389D89D6.AF800236@eircom.net>; from eman@eircom.net on Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 02:48:54PM +0000 References: <389D89D6.AF800236@eircom.net> Message-ID: <20000206145352.B24311@online.ie> On Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 02:48:54PM +0000, Emmanuel Stone mentioned: > Tis a minor problem, but X and windows seem to be displaying the picture > on different parts of the monitor. As a result of which i have to move > my hand towards the monitor and move a dial very slightly, every time i > swap os. > Can anybody give me any help on this? Checkout xvidtune. Setup the monitor until you are happy, in windows. Then, boot into X, play around with the screen (using it, not the dials) and it'll eventually give you a "modeline". You can then use this modeline in your /etc/X11/XF86Config to give you a mode the exact same as in Windows. However, it's fairly complex to do...and becareful with xvidtune - you can overclock your monitor & blow it, if you aren't careful. From delphi91 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 6 15:12:25 2000 From: delphi91 at hotmail.com (Michael Treacy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <20000206151147.44713.qmail@hotmail.com> > Could you recommend a way that ILUG people could actually get into >teaching in schools, in their spare time ? It would be excellent if there >was someone like the "teacher with a clue" in every school - it was an >hour or two a week, after school, learning cool stuff like pointers in C >and how hard drives worked. Well, in our school, every student in Senior cycle (5th year and 6th year) MUST do computers in some shape or form. If they are not taking the course I mentioned in a previous mail, then they have to take I.T., which at least familiarises them with the basics of WP, SS and DB using M$ packages. As for getting ILUG members to act as "consultants/teachers", etc, well, it might be an idea to get computer clubs going in schools who were willing to provide the access to computers outside school time. Maybe in the evenings after school or on a Sat. morning for an hour or two maybe? There's also no reason why ILUG members couldn't approach schools who provide night classes and offer to run one in Linux. OK, it may not have the mass market appeal that say "Introduction to Computers" would have to the computer-illiterate out there, but you never know! Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From delphi91 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 6 15:12:41 2000 From: delphi91 at hotmail.com (Michael Treacy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! Message-ID: <20000206151157.31530.qmail@hotmail.com> > Could you recommend a way that ILUG people could actually get into >teaching in schools, in their spare time ? It would be excellent if there >was someone like the "teacher with a clue" in every school - it was an >hour or two a week, after school, learning cool stuff like pointers in C >and how hard drives worked. Well, in our school, every student in Senior cycle (5th year and 6th year) MUST do computers in some shape or form. If they are not taking the course I mentioned in a previous mail, then they have to take I.T., which at least familiarises them with the basics of WP, SS and DB using M$ packages. As for getting ILUG members to act as "consultants/teachers", etc, well, it might be an idea to get computer clubs going in schools who were willing to provide the access to computers outside school time. Maybe in the evenings after school or on a Sat. morning for an hour or two maybe? There's also no reason why ILUG members couldn't approach schools who provide night classes and offer to run one in Linux. OK, it may not have the mass market appeal that say "Introduction to Computers" would have to the computer-illiterate out there, but you never know! Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From pmcauley at iol.ie Sun Feb 6 16:50:48 2000 From: pmcauley at iol.ie (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: Holgers Palm Software In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 06 Feb 2000 12:36:44 GMT." <20000206123644.C1585@online.ie> Message-ID: <200002061650.QAA08524.pmcauley@iol.ie> On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:36:44 +0000 "John P. Looney" wrote: | Don't suppose any Palm programmers could write a little thing for storing | GPG keys, and some capacity to beam them to other people ? I'd love to be | able to export all my keys from my Linux box to my Pilot.. You mean like Memopad? :) Paul From phil_trickett at bigfoot.com Sun Feb 6 19:53:57 2000 From: phil_trickett at bigfoot.com (Philip Trickett) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets Message-ID: Just thought I would post some interesting Linux PDA's: http://www.sem.samsung.co.kr/eng/product/digital/pda/index.htm http://www.gmate.co.kr/ Phil Trickett From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Sun Feb 6 23:26:46 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Philip Trickett wrote: > Just thought I would post some interesting Linux PDA's: > > http://www.sem.samsung.co.kr/eng/product/digital/pda/index.htm > Looks as cute as all got up. Don't buy the Rio yet. However, I wonder when it will actually exist, what it will cost, battery life ? ? ? I still want one ! Regards, Niall O Broin From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Sun Feb 6 23:39:30 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: I've lost my modem ! In-Reply-To: <20000206014150.A84177@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Colin Whittaker wrote: > Niall stated the following on Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 01:27:33AM +0000 : > > I've just installed SuSE 6.3 on a ox which works OK, including using kppp > > to SurfNoLimits. However, I want to use my own kernel rather than SuSE's > > default modular one. I'm not exactly a kernel newbie, but this one has me > > stumped. Having built the kernel, all is good except the modem. Kppp > > claims it's busy, and minicom gets no response from it - it's as if it > > wasn't there. The modem's at 0x3E8, IRQ 4 and I've nothing attached to the > > serial port at 3F8 so the IRQ shouldn't be a problem - in fact it's > > definitely not as the same box running Mandrake 5.3 with kernel 2.2.10 or > > SuSE 6.3 with the default kernel or Windoze quite happily uses the modem. > > So, what can I have buggered up in the kernel config. to have zapped my > > modem ? > > what ouput does the kernel produce on startup, dmesg should be > able to output the last batch of boot messages. > > Did you forget to build in serial support into the kernel? Nothing that simple, unfortunately, but I did solve it. With the monolithic kernel, kerneld was starting at boot up, with horrible messages about how I shouldn't run this with kernels > 2.2.0 so I had a look at the start script and decided that I'd stop the error message by building kernel support for modules into my mono. kernel, but with everything I wanted compiled in. With this kernel, for some bizarre reason, the serial module got loaded even though serial support is compiled in. I copped this by seeing the line Serial driver version 4.27 . . . twice in the dmesg output, and also because the output of setserial showed UART: unknown instead of UART: 16550A for all three ports in this bizarre state. So, I built anew, removing module support. I then modified the kerneld start script but that didn't stop it getting loaded so I removed the kerneld binary. I now get some message about memstat when on startup but I'm ignoring it (when the serial module was being loaded, the only other module loaded was memstat, whatever it is :-) ) From kenn at linux.ie Mon Feb 7 00:37:27 2000 From: kenn at linux.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SCSI woes In-Reply-To: <20000201235759.A584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie>; from Kenn Humborg on Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 11:57:59PM +0000 References: <20000201235759.A584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> Message-ID: <20000207003654.C1431@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> On Tue, Feb 01, 2000 at 11:57:59PM +0000, Kenn Humborg wrote: > The host adapter is an Adaptec ADP1505, the driver is > the aha152x. I see that the driver hasn't been updated > since 1996. The disks are RZ55s. OK. We're all sorted now. The problem was that driver for the AVA1505 doesn't support synchronous transfers. This disk doesn't want to talk asynchronously until you've done a synch/asynch negotiation, which this driver doesn't do. A little patch from a guy in the States and we are go. Next little question... If I have two disks and one tape all on the SCSI bus, all powered up, everything works fine. However, if the disks are not powered, nothing works and the driver spews out error messages. Is it normal that an unpowered device screws up bus operation? I was under the impression that an unpowered device would be pretty much invisible on the bus. Or is this because these are SCSI-1 disks from the early days of SCSI when the standard hadn't quite settled? Or is the AVA-1505 a complete pile of crap? (even though I got it for free :-) Later, Kenn PS. Vincent Cunniffe offered to try out these disks on his machine. Thanks for the offer, but these are _heavy_ disks. I won't be bringing them up from Galway in a hurry! From nearyd at khumbu.eeng.dcu.ie Mon Feb 7 09:02:21 2000 From: nearyd at khumbu.eeng.dcu.ie (David Neary) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] screenshifting In-Reply-To: <20000206145352.B24311@online.ie> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, John P. Looney wrote: > Checkout xvidtune. Setup the monitor until you are happy, in windows. > Then, boot into X, play around with the screen (using it, not the dials) > and it'll eventually give you a "modeline". You can then use this modeline > in your /etc/X11/XF86Config to give you a mode the exact same as in > Windows. > > However, it's fairly complex to do...and becareful with xvidtune - you > can overclock your monitor & blow it, if you aren't careful. You could have a look at the Video-Timings-HOWTO (comes in the HOWTOs on most distributions) about how this works, and why your screen's being displayed a little off. xvidtune (IIRC) is one of the tools which is reccommended for use in that, with a huge warning. Anyway, at least it'll give you some advice as to where (any why) you could go wrong. There really shouldn't be any problem using xvidtune, though, if my limited experience is anything to go by. Cheers, Dave Neary. From nearyd at khumbu.eeng.dcu.ie Mon Feb 7 09:13:21 2000 From: nearyd at khumbu.eeng.dcu.ie (David Neary) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! In-Reply-To: <20000206122808.A1585@online.ie> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, John P. Looney wrote: > In the school we did it in, it was pretty poor. Granted that that was > about lumme...1992 or so, but we covered: > > COMAL (COBOL/BASIC hybrid - absolutely useless) > Text based spreadsheet (close to useless) > Art Packages (I can't say how close to useless this was) At least it was better than BASIC on 8-year-old Apple IIe's :) > Could you recommend a way that ILUG people could actually get into > teaching in schools, in their spare time ? It would be excellent if there > was someone like the "teacher with a clue" in every school - it was an > hour or two a week, after school, learning cool stuff like pointers in C > and how hard drives worked. It's not something for everyone, but once you > get an idea of what you can do with computers at a young age...and I'm > sure there has to be one teacher in every school in the country that would > like an ILUG member to call out for an hour or three a week teaching them > stuff too. The DITs are always looking for part-time staff (4-8 hours a week, about IR25.00 per hour). Kevin St. was particularly good (they have a computers degree and a 3 yr cert). Their course is fairly basic for the first couple of years, PASCAL in 1st year, C in second year, hard C and Java in 3rd year, network programming in Java/C in 4th year. Someone with a solid CA background would probably get to supervise a few projects, which is where the really interesting stuff happens. Aside from that, you could write away to schools offering your services (you'd actually be a substitute teacher in name, since most of us wouldn't have H.Dip.Eds under our belt, but it'd be VEC rates). Other than that, the only way into something like that is through an acquaintance, I think... BTW, when's teh next meeting? I missed the last one, and in fact I've been too shy to come to any of the ILUG events yet (I had planned to go to the last meeting, but something came up), and these seem like a good in. Is it next Saturday? What are the topics? > Kate Cheers, Dave Neary. From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Mon Feb 7 09:18:42 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] QUAKE III References: Message-ID: <389E8CF1.68B669E9@tradesignals.com> You can order it directly from Loki at http://www.lokigames.com I ordered mine before Christmas and I got my CD, but I'm still waiting for the box to come :| Donncha. Niall wrote: > > I'm sure I saw this mentioned here recently, but I can't find it in the > archives. Where can I get a copy of Linux Quake III ? I've looked in the > shops but have only seen 'doze versions. Apart from "because you should" > is there anyreason to prefer one version over the other ? I'll be running > it on an AMD K6-III 450 with a Mystique G-400 (and a Voodoo 3 as soon as > I can nick it back from the children). > > From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 09:27:12 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets In-Reply-To: ; from phil_trickett@bigfoot.com on Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 07:47:51PM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20000207092610.C21335@online.ie> On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 07:47:51PM -0000, Philip Trickett mentioned: > Just thought I would post some interesting Linux PDA's: > > http://www.sem.samsung.co.kr/eng/product/digital/pda/index.htm > > http://www.gmate.co.kr/ For those too lazy to check it out, it's a Linux based ARM-equipped PDA that'll be out in March 2000. I'm a bit skeptical but: Key Features Internet & E-mail Access with Mobile Phone or Wireless Modem MP3 player, Voice recording, MPEG Moving Picture, Radio broadcasts receiver, Graphic game Strong CPU of High Performance PIMS, Dictionary, Calculator, Word pad, World time, Alarm, etc. Color TFT LCD Display Handwriting Recognition S/W Technical Specifications 3D Sound Stereo Audio CODEC MP3 Player, Voice Recording, Radio broadcasts, Alarm 3.9 inches True color TFT LCD(65,536 color) Back light 1400mA Rechargeable Li-lon Battery Size(H x W x D): 128.8 x 83.5 x 19.9mm RS232C & USB Serial port CompactFlashTM Slot IrDA Standard included Audio In/Out Jack Front-view Speaker Basic Accessories Cradle for Recharge & Sync. to PC Serial(RS232C & USB) Cable Stereo Remote Earphone Installation CD User's Guide Wow. Kate From ojc at dataway.com Mon Feb 7 09:31:08 2000 From: ojc at dataway.com (Owen J Connolly) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Linus loses the rag over DVD's!! Message-ID: <389E902C.ED098B91@dataway.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/000202-000021.html -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Owen J Connolly Ph: +353-1-6760307 http://www.dataway.com Fax: +353-1-6760309 Networking Security Consultancy Mobile: +353-86-8516664 "If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error." - John Kenneth Galbraith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 09:33:27 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! In-Reply-To: ; from nearyd@khumbu.eeng.dcu.ie on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 09:13:19AM +0000 References: <20000206122808.A1585@online.ie> Message-ID: <20000207093224.D21335@online.ie> On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 09:13:19AM +0000, David Neary mentioned: > > COMAL (COBOL/BASIC hybrid - absolutely useless) > > Text based spreadsheet (close to useless) > > Art Packages (I can't say how close to useless this was) > At least it was better than BASIC on 8-year-old Apple IIe's :) Perhaps I should have pointed out that these were on half-meg 8088 machines. When I wrote my first fractal generator, it took an hour to fill a 4 colour 640x480 (or whatever CGA was) screen! > The DITs are always looking for part-time staff (4-8 hours a week, about > IR25.00 per hour). Kevin St. was particularly good (they have a computers > degree and a 3 yr cert). Their course is fairly basic for the first couple > of years, PASCAL in 1st year, C in second year, hard C and Java in 3rd > year, network programming in Java/C in 4th year. Someone with a solid CA > background would probably get to supervise a few projects, which is where > the really interesting stuff happens. Yeah, but I work. Hard & late - I can't do weekdays. > Aside from that, you could write away to schools offering your services > (you'd actually be a substitute teacher in name, since most of us wouldn't > have H.Dip.Eds under our belt, but it'd be VEC rates). Other than that, > the only way into something like that is through an acquaintance, I > think... Something worth thinking about. Do VEC's do teacher training to the general public, I wonder ? > BTW, when's teh next meeting? I missed the last one, and in fact I've been > too shy to come to any of the ILUG events yet (I had planned to go to the > last meeting, but something came up), and these seem like a good in. Is it > next Saturday? What are the topics? Would it be too much for you to check out the webpage ? More speakers always welcome BTW. OT, to quote NTK: "Life imitates Onion": http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/01/31/spider.surgery.ap Kate From diamondj at indigo.ie Mon Feb 7 09:45:56 2000 From: diamondj at indigo.ie (John Diamond) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! References: <20000206122808.A1585@online.ie> <20000207093224.D21335@online.ie> Message-ID: <001101bf714f$dbe70a10$9d937dc2@indigo.ie> > On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 09:13:19AM +0000, David Neary mentioned: > > > COMAL (COBOL/BASIC hybrid - absolutely useless) actually it was/is a basic/Pascal hybrid jd From brendan at zen.org Mon Feb 7 09:50:46 2000 From: brendan at zen.org (Brendan Kehoe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] people getting rid of computers? Message-ID: <200002070958.JAA00706@mailhost.zen.org> My wife is going to be teaching a computer beginner's class. For one early part of it, she'd like to be able to open up a system and show everyone the guts. Part of the emphasis will be on how it's not a mystic beast with a powerful beating heart (my embellishment, not hers) but instead just a few interlocked pieces, and what each of the rumored pieces actually looks like. To do this, she'd prefer to use a system that's dead or retired, in place of a new one that would have the potential for being broken. E.g., enthusiastic student A presses finger B to SIMM board C. Somewhere as a source in or around Dublin would be fine. Or even hints on folks you think might be trashing a computer (lighter is better of course), trying to sell one for scrap parts, or whatever, any such info is great! You can reply to me or to her (elana@zen.org). Thanks a lot, Brendan -- Brendan Kehoe Web page: http://www.zen.org/~brendan/ From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 10:04:54 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] scary stuff Message-ID: <20000207100352.I21335@online.ie> Anyone know what this means: Feb 6 15:36:05 xena kernel: APIC error interrupt on CPU#0, should never happen. Feb 6 15:36:05 xena kernel: ... APIC ESR0: 00000000 Feb 6 15:36:05 xena kernel: ... APIC ESR1: 00000002 Feb 6 15:36:05 xena kernel: ... bit 1: APIC Receive CS Error (hw problem). How bad is it ? Some messages on Linux kernel seem to indicate it's a nasty hardware problem that's being logged, that indicates your BP6 isn't 100% reliable. Great. Now I have proof that it's not Linux or the video card or the nVidia GLX driver's that are crashing my machine. Sigh. Does seem that 800Mhz of CPUs & a board to stick them in, for ?200 was too good to be true. Kate From everling at emhain.wit.ie Mon Feb 7 10:21:22 2000 From: everling at emhain.wit.ie (Eoin ) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] yppasswd error ... Message-ID: When I run, "yppasswd", to change my user password on a NIS controlled network, running Solaris (I know this is a Linux list, but also the best place for answers!), I get the following error -- $ yppasswd yppasswd: Changing password for joe_soap Enter login(NIS) password: New password: Re-enter new password: Create clnt failure: RPC: Program not registered Permission denied $ -- ... which is annoying. Anyone seen this before? cheers E --- Eoin Verling everling@comnitel.com From con.hennessy at airtel-atn.com Mon Feb 7 10:32:16 2000 From: con.hennessy at airtel-atn.com (Con Hennessy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] people getting rid of computers? References: <200002070958.JAA00706@mailhost.zen.org> Message-ID: <389E9FBC.738AB4B4@airtel-atn.com> [Not exactly what you are looking for but it may help anyway.] There is a shop which sells second-hand computers from about 20/30 quid. I do not remember the exact address but it is near the entrance to Kilmainam on the South Circular Road ( that's in Dublin :-) If this is interesting for you (or anyone else) I'll try to find the proper address ( and maybe even the name :-). Con From kenn at bluetree.ie Mon Feb 7 10:34:32 2000 From: kenn at bluetree.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! In-Reply-To: <20000207093224.D21335@online.ie> Message-ID: > > BTW, when's teh next meeting? I missed the last one, and in [...snip...] > Would it be too much for you to check out the webpage ? More speakers > always welcome BTW. Well, I don't know about you, but the 'Social' section of the main page at www.linux.ie is broken for me at the moment. Later, Kenn From tdoris at compapp.dcu.ie Mon Feb 7 10:44:56 2000 From: tdoris at compapp.dcu.ie (Tom Doris) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] people getting rid of computers? Message-ID: <389EA251.6012DDD1@compapp.dcu.ie> I have an old 486 33 motherboard. No HD, monitor, video card, box etc. Willing to trade for the December issue of Playboy though. -- Tom Doris Dublin City University Dept. Computer Applications http://www.compapp.dcu.ie/~tdoris From mike.knell at cs.tcd.ie Mon Feb 7 10:50:20 2000 From: mike.knell at cs.tcd.ie (Mike Knell) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] yppasswd error ... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:21:12 GMT." Message-ID: <200002071050.KAA21196@little.cs.tcd.ie> > When I run, "yppasswd", to change my user password on a NIS controlled > network, running Solaris (I know this is a Linux list, but also the best > place for answers!), I get the following error Is the machine you're trying to change the password on running Solaris too? You may be trying to be too clever - just try "passwd". RTFM for gruesome details of how it updates multiple repositories. m. -- Computer Science System Administrator, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland mike.knell@cs.tcd.ie -=- http://www.cs.tcd.ie/Mike.Knell/ From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Mon Feb 7 10:52:09 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SCSI woes References: <20000201235759.A584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> <20000207003654.C1431@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> Message-ID: <389EA3D2.2E8B59EA@arbgroup.com> > Or is the AVA-1505 a complete pile of crap? (even though I > got it for free :-) Alan Cox was ranting about it possibly being the nastiest piece of hardware he'd ever seen ;-) > PS. Vincent Cunniffe offered to try out these disks on his > machine. Thanks for the offer, but these are _heavy_ > disks. I won't be bringing them up from Galway in > a hurry! Yeah, I was wondering where you were based ;-) Vin From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 11:05:24 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] More Linux in the classroom! In-Reply-To: ; from kenn@bluetree.ie on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 10:34:13AM -0000 References: <20000207093224.D21335@online.ie> Message-ID: <20000207110422.C2015@online.ie> On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 10:34:13AM -0000, Kenn Humborg mentioned: > > > BTW, when's teh next meeting? I missed the last one, and in > [...snip...] > > Would it be too much for you to check out the webpage ? More speakers > > always welcome BTW. > > Well, I don't know about you, but the 'Social' section of > the main page at www.linux.ie is broken for me at the moment. Ah right then ted. Well, checkout: http://www.linux.ie/DublinMeetings.html From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 11:14:02 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] SCSI woes In-Reply-To: <389EA3D2.2E8B59EA@arbgroup.com>; from vcunniff@arbgroup.com on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 10:52:02AM +0000 References: <20000201235759.A584@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> <20000207003654.C1431@avalon.no46.wombat.ie> <389EA3D2.2E8B59EA@arbgroup.com> Message-ID: <20000207111300.D2015@online.ie> On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 10:52:02AM +0000, Vincent Cunniffe mentioned: > > Or is the AVA-1505 a complete pile of crap? (even though I > > got it for free :-) > Alan Cox was ranting about it possibly being the nastiest piece > of hardware he'd ever seen ;-) I've seen worse. Tony Bolger got a hold of an ancient NCR scsi card that was detected on boot, but didn't allow him to mount any of his MO disks, when he plugged in his Magneto-optical player to it. He played around with it for a while, and then called me over to look at the output of "dd bytes=512 if=/dev/sda" It took me about twenty seconds to start giggling. 128 bytes into the output was the string: 0.5 SODMS Yeah, it was reading the first 128bytes backwards, and the second 128 bytes forwards, ad infinitum. Turns out that their offical spec says "Read from the 128byte memory buffer, and set a flag saying "I'm ready for more, and wait for an interrupt". So, most OSes will just memcpy() the buffer on the card to an internal buffer. But Linux doesn't. It uses memmove(), in case the memory addresses overlap (check the man page if you don't know the difference). This card was so cheap and nasty, that the 128 byte buffer was a "virtual buffer". What it did was that when you read byte 0 from the card, it gave you said byte, and incremented the counter. When you read byte 1, it incremented the counter. Because it was just an I/O port, instead of a memory buffer, even if you read bytes 1, 15, 29, and 304, then 2, it would give you 0,1,2,3,4 - in that order. So, when memmove() was copying backwards..... Now that's a crappy SCSI card. When Tony sent in the four-line "This card is too thick for memmove(), he challenged Alan to come up with a crapper SCSI card. Alan thought about it, and said he'd not heard of one. Kate From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 11:14:41 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] yppasswd error ... In-Reply-To: ; from everling@emhain.wit.ie on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 10:21:12AM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20000207111340.E2015@online.ie> On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 10:21:12AM +0000, Eoin mentioned: > When I run, "yppasswd", to change my user password on a NIS controlled > network, running Solaris (I know this is a Linux list, but also the best > place for answers!), I get the following error > -- > $ yppasswd > yppasswd: Changing password for joe_soap > Enter login(NIS) password: > New password: > Re-enter new password: > Create clnt failure: RPC: Program not registered > Permission denied Server may not be running yppasswdd. Kate From drjolt+ilug at redbrick.dcu.ie Mon Feb 7 11:18:55 2000 From: drjolt+ilug at redbrick.dcu.ie (David Murphy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets In-Reply-To: <20000207092610.C21335@online.ie>; from jplooney-ilug@online.ie on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 09:26:10AM +0000 References: <20000207092610.C21335@online.ie> Message-ID: <20000207111853.A67222@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Quoting <20000207092610.C21335@online.ie> by "John P. Looney" : > On Sat, Feb 05, 2000 at 07:47:51PM -0000, Philip Trickett mentioned: > > Just thought I would post some interesting Linux PDA's: > > > > http://www.sem.samsung.co.kr/eng/product/digital/pda/index.htm > > > > http://www.gmate.co.kr/ > > For those too lazy to check it out, it's a Linux based ARM-equipped PDA > that'll be out in March 2000. I'm a bit skeptical but: I personally reckon you'd be mad to spend your own money on a portable device before seeing how Transmeta's CPUs work out. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key From philipt at informatic.ie Mon Feb 7 11:25:29 2000 From: philipt at informatic.ie (Philip Trickett) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets Message-ID: You aren't going to be able to run a Crusoe off a couple of AA batteries for a while ;) Phil -----Original Message----- From: David Murphy [mailto:drjolt+ilug@redbrick.dcu.ie] Sent: 07 February 2000 11:19 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] Gadgets I personally reckon you'd be mad to spend your own money on a portable device before seeing how Transmeta's CPUs work out. -- From philipt at informatic.ie Mon Feb 7 11:30:11 2000 From: philipt at informatic.ie (Philip Trickett) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] scary stuff Message-ID: Don't fret yet, the linux-bp6 mailing list (if I can remember where to subscribe, I'll tell you), has alot of posts on this topic, and so far they haven't had a solution pop up, but they reckon it may be a small quirk of the board. just to make you feel better though, linux tells you about the problems, NT will just have them and pretend they don't exist. Phil -----Original Message----- From: John P. Looney [mailto:jplooney-ilug@online.ie] Sent: 07 February 2000 10:04 To: Irish LUG list Subject: [ILUG] scary stuff Anyone know what this means: Feb 6 15:36:05 xena kernel: APIC error interrupt on CPU#0, should never happen. Feb 6 15:36:05 xena kernel: ... APIC ESR0: 00000000 Feb 6 15:36:05 xena kernel: ... APIC ESR1: 00000002 Feb 6 15:36:05 xena kernel: ... bit 1: APIC Receive CS Error (hw problem). How bad is it ? Some messages on Linux kernel seem to indicate it's a nasty hardware problem that's being logged, that indicates your BP6 isn't 100% reliable. Great. Now I have proof that it's not Linux or the video card or the nVidia GLX driver's that are crashing my machine. Sigh. Does seem that 800Mhz of CPUs & a board to stick them in, for ?200 was too good to be true. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 11:33:18 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets In-Reply-To: ; from philipt@informatic.ie on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:25:44AM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20000207113216.F2015@online.ie> On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:25:44AM -0000, Philip Trickett mentioned: > You aren't going to be able to run a Crusoe off a couple of AA batteries for > a while ;) I thought that was part of the point - under a watt, for normal usage ? Kate From drjolt+ilug at redbrick.dcu.ie Mon Feb 7 11:36:53 2000 From: drjolt+ilug at redbrick.dcu.ie (David Murphy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] scary stuff In-Reply-To: ; from philipt@informatic.ie on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:30:34AM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20000207113651.B67222@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Quoting by Philip Trickett : > just to make you feel better though, linux tells you about the > problems, NT will just have them and pretend they don't exist. I haven't hard of people having problems under NT though - that said, so far, the only stressful thing I've done with my BP6 is SMP Quake III under NT. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 11:39:48 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:00 2009 Subject: [ILUG] handy little shell function Message-ID: <20000207113846.G2015@online.ie> I'd to tear through a library & all my code that used the library and replace a load of function names that wouldn't clash with another library. Here's a handy shell function to do a search & replace on all the files you send it: function frep () { if [ $# -lt 2 ] ; then echo "Usage: $0 oldpattern/newpattern [files]" else old=`echo $1 | cut -d / -f 1` new=`echo $1 | cut -d / -f 2` shift 1 echo Replacing $old with $new in $* for f in $* do ed - $f << ENDED g/$old/s//$new/g w q ENDED done fi } Kate From philipt at informatic.ie Mon Feb 7 11:40:08 2000 From: philipt at informatic.ie (Philip Trickett) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets Message-ID: May be under a watt, but when you add the LCD, memory, etc. it starts to eat power. Plus the power consumption of a Strongarm @ 206Mhz eats < 400mW. OK, maybe a couple of AA's was optimistic, more like 4 ;) With the Crusoe,which will take <1W by itself, plus extra power for memory and LCD, (if you want to add a hard disk, you can forget long battery times), a rechargeable Li-Ion would be the best way, but the best battery life you would be seeing would be in the realms of the Colour WinCE machines. Phil -----Original Message----- From: John P. Looney [mailto:jplooney-ilug@online.ie] Sent: 07 February 2000 11:32 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] Gadgets On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:25:44AM -0000, Philip Trickett mentioned: > You aren't going to be able to run a Crusoe off a couple of AA batteries for > a while ;) I thought that was part of the point - under a watt, for normal usage ? Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From philipt at informatic.ie Mon Feb 7 11:41:07 2000 From: philipt at informatic.ie (Philip Trickett) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] scary stuff Message-ID: Although, NT doesn't really seem to 'push' the hardware as much does it? Phil -----Original Message----- From: David Murphy [mailto:drjolt+ilug@redbrick.dcu.ie] Sent: 07 February 2000 11:37 To: 'ilug@linux.ie' Subject: Re: [ILUG] scary stuff Quoting by Philip Trickett : > just to make you feel better though, linux tells you about the > problems, NT will just have them and pretend they don't exist. I haven't hard of people having problems under NT though - that said, so far, the only stressful thing I've done with my BP6 is SMP Quake III under NT. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 11:41:47 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] scary stuff In-Reply-To: <20000207113651.B67222@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>; from drjolt+ilug@redbrick.dcu.ie on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:36:51AM +0000 References: <20000207113651.B67222@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <20000207114045.H2015@online.ie> On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:36:51AM +0000, David Murphy mentioned: > Quoting > by Philip Trickett : > > > just to make you feel better though, linux tells you about the > > problems, NT will just have them and pretend they don't exist. > I haven't hard of people having problems under NT though - that said, > so far, the only stressful thing I've done with my BP6 is SMP Quake > III under NT. Well, that problem isn't OS-specific. Turns out that it's a checksum thing. Effectively, the APIC is getting messed up data from the chipset, and it'll keep retrying. Kate From philipt at informatic.ie Mon Feb 7 11:50:01 2000 From: philipt at informatic.ie (Philip Trickett) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets - more [OTish] Message-ID: OK, while I am on the subject of Gadgets, have a look at the new VaioC1XS being released in the states, and there is a similar model specced for europe: http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/products/pc/notebook/pcgc1xs.html Sorry for leading this off-topic, (but this looks like it _NEEDS_ a Crusoe!) Phil From kenn at bluetree.ie Mon Feb 7 11:50:50 2000 From: kenn at bluetree.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets In-Reply-To: <20000207113216.F2015@online.ie> Message-ID: > On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:25:44AM -0000, Philip Trickett mentioned: > > You aren't going to be able to run a Crusoe off a couple of AA > batteries for > > a while ;) > > I thought that was part of the point - under a watt, for normal usage ? One watt is still fairly substantial. Take, for example, two AA Duracells, capacity 2700mAh. To provide 1 watt at 3 volts requires 333mA. So that gives you about 8 hours battery life, running the CPU alone. Next consider the other bits and bobs, such as the screen. And most rechargable technologies don't have as good an energy density as alkalines. Later, Kenn From everling at emhain.wit.ie Mon Feb 7 11:51:45 2000 From: everling at emhain.wit.ie (Eoin ) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] x mail client hang Message-ID: It's all questions really ... This is a strange one. All of a sudden (the way all problems start!), my email clients hang when you click 'new message'. That is, on Solaris, NIS, netscape mail client, xfmail client and oexpress client all hang ... but text mail (pine, mail) work fine. anyone seen this? cheers E --- Eoin Verling everling@comnitel.com From grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie Mon Feb 7 11:53:27 2000 From: grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie (Colin Whittaker) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets In-Reply-To: ; from kenn@bluetree.ie on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:50:10AM -0000 References: <20000207113216.F2015@online.ie> Message-ID: <20000207115325.A13333@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Kenn Humborg stated the following on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:50:10AM -0000 : > > On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:25:44AM -0000, Philip Trickett mentioned: > > > You aren't going to be able to run a Crusoe off a couple of AA > > batteries for > > > a while ;) > > > > I thought that was part of the point - under a watt, for normal usage ? > > One watt is still fairly substantial. Take, for example, > two AA Duracells, capacity 2700mAh. > > To provide 1 watt at 3 volts requires 333mA. So that gives > you about 8 hours battery life, running the CPU alone. > Next consider the other bits and bobs, such as the screen. Well its only a watt running flat out, it idles down to < 20mW -- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ | "Crystalline perfection is brittle" | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 11:57:27 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] x mail client hang In-Reply-To: ; from everling@emhain.wit.ie on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:51:35AM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20000207115625.K2015@online.ie> On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:51:35AM +0000, Eoin mentioned: > All of a sudden (the way all problems start!), my email clients hang when > you click 'new message'. That is, on Solaris, NIS, netscape mail client, > xfmail client and oexpress client all hang ... but text mail (pine, mail) > work fine. Run "truss -p pid" on the mail client, and see what it's doing. Kate From drjolt+ilug at redbrick.dcu.ie Mon Feb 7 12:02:04 2000 From: drjolt+ilug at redbrick.dcu.ie (David Murphy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] scary stuff In-Reply-To: ; from philipt@informatic.ie on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 11:41:27AM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20000207120203.C67222@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie> Quoting by Philip Trickett : > Although, NT doesn't really seem to 'push' the hardware as much does it? Pushing hardware is all very well until you're pushing it past its breaking point. -- When asked if it is true that he uses his wheelchair as a weapon he will reply: "That's a malicious rumour. I'll run over anyone who repeats it." Stephen Hawking - [http://www.smh.com.au/news/0001/07/features/features1.html] David Murphy - For PGP public key, send mail with Subject: send-pgp-key From everling at emhain.wit.ie Mon Feb 7 12:15:45 2000 From: everling at emhain.wit.ie (Eoin ) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] x mail client hang In-Reply-To: <20000207115625.K2015@online.ie> Message-ID: > Run "truss -p pid" on the mail client, and see what it's doing. > I run xfmail client .. $ truss -p fcntl(5, F_SETLK, 0xFFBEEAE4) (sleeping...) .. and no more output. E --- Eoin Verling everling@comnitel.com From jm at jmason.org Mon Feb 7 12:18:50 2000 From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets In-Reply-To: Message from "John P. Looney" of "Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:26:10 GMT." <20000207092610.C21335@online.ie> Message-ID: <200002071219.MAA31426@callisto.netnoteinc.com> "John P. Looney" said: > http://www.sem.samsung.co.kr/eng/product/digital/pda/index.htm - MPEG > Moving Picture, Radio broadcasts receiver 1400mA Rechargeable Li-lon > Battery Color TFT LCD Display [etc.] Vapour-tastic!! If they do put it together with these features I reckon it'll cost > $700. Especially, TFT screens cost $$$ (although they get exponentially pricier by inch so a 3.9" one might be almost reasonable). BTW I'd recommend checking out the top-right "screenshot" (strange how the aspect ratio isn't even the same!) -- "ARMLinux OS development". Eh?? Do we get to rewrite the OS if we buy one? ;) --j. From jm at jmason.org Mon Feb 7 12:23:20 2000 From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] handy little shell function In-Reply-To: Message from "John P. Looney" of "Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:38:46 GMT." <20000207113846.G2015@online.ie> Message-ID: <200002071223.MAA31436@callisto.netnoteinc.com> "John P. Looney" said: > I'd to tear through a library & all my code that used the library and > replace a load of function names that wouldn't clash with another library. > > Here's a handy shell function to do a search & replace on all the files > you send it: This is similar: perl -pi.bak -e 's/oldpattern/newpattern/g' *.c *.h It also makes backups as "filename.bak". --j. From John_White at dell.com Mon Feb 7 13:05:52 2000 From: John_White at dell.com (John_White@dell.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] scary stuff Message-ID: <0DA45002C12BD2119CF80060084CC5A001F3DAA2@limxmmf104.mfg.ie.dell.com> > > Although, NT doesn't really seem to 'push' the hardware as much does it? > > Pushing hardware is all very well until you're pushing it past its > breaking point. It all depends on what you mean by 'push', surely if OS-1 can do the same as OS-2 without 'stressing the hardware' as much, OS-1 is preferrable ? From sdempsey at tssg.wit.ie Mon Feb 7 14:50:33 2000 From: sdempsey at tssg.wit.ie (Shane Dempsey) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets References: <200002071219.MAA31426@callisto.netnoteinc.com> Message-ID: <01f401bf717a$027034c0$cfbf01c1@wit.ie> It's a bit like the Casiopaiea ( that'll be 600 quid sir ) but linux based. This is the kind of device I really don't need but I'm going to have to be physically restrained from buying. Kind've reminds me of that Dilbert sketch where the buy in marketing tells him that the new product should "have a 15" screen and fit in your pocket". It's does have that penguins-in-the-mist vapour like quality to it at the moment but I've seen the new samsung mobile phones and they're pretty amazing so who knows ? The ability to do kernel development at at time and in any place is another real bonus of course... ...shane ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Mason To: Sent: 07 February 2000 17:18 Subject: Re: [ILUG] Gadgets > "John P. Looney" said: > > > http://www.sem.samsung.co.kr/eng/product/digital/pda/index.htm - MPEG > > Moving Picture, Radio broadcasts receiver 1400mA Rechargeable Li-lon > > Battery Color TFT LCD Display [etc.] > > Vapour-tastic!! If they do put it together with these features I reckon > it'll cost > $700. Especially, TFT screens cost $$$ (although they get > exponentially pricier by inch so a 3.9" one might be almost reasonable). > > BTW I'd recommend checking out the top-right "screenshot" (strange how the > aspect ratio isn't even the same!) -- "ARMLinux OS development". Eh?? Do > we get to rewrite the OS if we buy one? ;) > > --j. From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Mon Feb 7 15:33:40 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Gadgets In-Reply-To: <01f401bf717a$027034c0$cfbf01c1@wit.ie> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Shane Dempsey wrote: > The ability to do kernel development at at time and in any place is another > real bonus of course... Hmm . . I can already do that with my Palm Pilot. Of course, I'm restricted to editing files, but I'd say my Pilot has as much chance of ever running gcc as that Samsung device - but I still want one :-) Regards, Niall O Broin From amk at broadcom.ie Mon Feb 7 15:37:20 2000 From: amk at broadcom.ie (Anton Mc Kee) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000207154109.0091db30@mail.broadcom.ie> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Just a quicky. I am trying to install RED HAT 6 onto a laptop with a removable floppy/cdrom drivre. I can get it to boot with the floppy installed but it then hangs and says " BOOT FAILED" I think it may be because it cannot find the cdrom drive (I can't have the two on the laptop at the same time) Does anyone have any ideas. I could use dos and copy the cd to the hard drive but the hard drive is v. small. Thanks AJ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOJ7nlaLZ0WY03a8vEQI8/wCfVGJon5V28yMbW8oACQVXDG1709gAoOrn zbbMGuZVAiV3+V+02HW8556N =ksve -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- *********************************************************** AJ Mc Kee "We all go down now and again" http://dezel.dhs.org PGPKey is at http://www.broadcom.ie/websidestory/contact.phtml *********************************************************** From lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie Mon Feb 7 16:02:56 2000 From: lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie (Lars Hecking) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000207154109.0091db30@mail.broadcom.ie>; from amk@broadcom.ie on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 03:41:09PM +0000 References: <3.0.6.32.20000207154109.0091db30@mail.broadcom.ie> Message-ID: <20000207160258.C28307@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Anton Mc Kee writes: > Hi all, > > Just a quicky. I am trying to install RED HAT 6 onto a laptop with a > removable floppy/cdrom drivre. I can get it to boot with the floppy > installed but it then hangs and says " BOOT FAILED" I think it may be > because it cannot find the cdrom drive (I can't have the two on the > laptop at the same time) Does anyone have any ideas. > > I could use dos and copy the cd to the hard drive but the hard drive > is v. small. Can't you boot off the cd directly? The AST laptop I installed RH6.1 onto last week is just the same (removable floppy and cdrom), and it booted off the cd fine. That was a cd I burned from the d/l'd .iso image. From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 16:15:31 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] apache modules Message-ID: <20000207161428.I28723@online.ie> I've beeing having horrible troubles with Apache & PHP3 & Oracle. For some reason, if php was build as a dynamic library, it was causing Apache to give sig 11s. Finally got it built statically, and it worked. However, I also have a mod_auth_oracle module, that seems to prefer to be built in dynamically. Anyone know a quick "this is how you force it to go in statically" type hint ? Kate From amk at broadcom.ie Mon Feb 7 16:19:40 2000 From: amk at broadcom.ie (Anton Mc Kee) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] INSTALL PROBS In-Reply-To: <20000207160258.C28307@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> References: <3.0.6.32.20000207154109.0091db30@mail.broadcom.ie> <3.0.6.32.20000207154109.0091db30@mail.broadcom.ie> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000207161853.00920ae0@mail.broadcom.ie> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No the bios does not allow booting from the cdrom, and when I load the cd drives in dos the autoboot option fails on the cd rom. It's really annoying me. Thanks AJ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOJ7wbKLZ0WY03a8vEQK+ZwCg92HpeUoMb0mhbuUMl81SRE/vpy4An3cX y4O4dqS5UhSKOL3lzQvmgJPH =Ye3w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- *********************************************************** AJ Mc Kee "We all go down now and again" http://dezel.dhs.org PGPKey is at http://www.broadcom.ie/websidestory/contact.phtml *********************************************************** From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Mon Feb 7 16:23:52 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] apache modules References: <20000207161428.I28723@online.ie> Message-ID: <389EF070.AAD185AD@tradesignals.com> I presume you had php compiled with Oracle support? Did you try --with-oracle= ? I had the same problem with MySQL until I specified where MySQL lived. I haven't used Oracle so this is the most obvious thing I can think of. Donncha. "John P. Looney" wrote: > > I've beeing having horrible troubles with Apache & PHP3 & Oracle. > > For some reason, if php was build as a dynamic library, it was causing > Apache to give sig 11s. Finally got it built statically, and it worked. > > However, I also have a mod_auth_oracle module, that seems to prefer to be > built in dynamically. Anyone know a quick "this is how you force it to go > in statically" type hint ? > From rdunph01 at email.mot.com Mon Feb 7 16:24:22 2000 From: rdunph01 at email.mot.com (Dunphy Richard-rdunph01) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] INSTALL PROBS Message-ID: Maybe you could use LOADLIN to boot the CD drive. I remember using this on my fathers laptop sometime ago with slackware. > -----Original Message----- > From: Anton Mc Kee [mailto:amk@broadcom.ie] > Sent: 07 February 2000 16:19 > To: Lars Hecking > Cc: ilug@linux.ie > Subject: Re: [ILUG] INSTALL PROBS > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > No the bios does not allow booting from the cdrom, > and when I load the cd drives in dos the autoboot option fails on > the cd rom. > It's really annoying me. > > Thanks > AJ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBOJ7wbKLZ0WY03a8vEQK+ZwCg92HpeUoMb0mhbuUMl81SRE/vpy4An3cX > y4O4dqS5UhSKOL3lzQvmgJPH > =Ye3w > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > *********************************************************** > AJ Mc Kee > "We all go down now and again" > http://dezel.dhs.org > PGPKey is at > http://www.broadcom.ie/websidestory/contact.phtml > *********************************************************** > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for > (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > From breatpro at MLE.CO.UK Mon Feb 7 16:24:38 2000 From: breatpro at MLE.CO.UK (Breathnach, Proinnsias(Dublin)) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Laptop, Swapable Floppy & CD Message-ID: <200002071624.AA03735@LONSF24318.MLE.CO.UK> Best bet ... make a DOS bot disk with CD drivers Boot to the a:\> prompt, run the d:\dosutils\autoboot.bat from the CD that *should* do the trick. (actually booting to DOS with CD drivers of any type would work (config.sys menu / clean boot ??)) The other option is to try and boot from the CD, but that's not always possible Proinnsias > -----Original Message----- > Hi all, > > Just a quicky. I am trying to install RED HAT 6 onto a laptop with a > removable floppy/cdrom drivre. I can get it to boot with the floppy > installed but it then hangs and says " BOOT FAILED" I think it may be > because it cannot find the cdrom drive (I can't have the two on the > laptop at the same time) Does anyone have any ideas. > > I could use dos and copy the cd to the hard drive but the hard drive > is v. small. > > Thanks > AJ > From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 16:29:37 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] apache modules In-Reply-To: <389EF070.AAD185AD@tradesignals.com>; from donncha.ocaoimh@tradesignals.com on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 04:18:56PM +0000 References: <20000207161428.I28723@online.ie> <389EF070.AAD185AD@tradesignals.com> Message-ID: <20000207162835.C28903@online.ie> On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 04:18:56PM +0000, Donncha O Caoimh mentioned: > I presume you had php compiled with Oracle support? Did you try > --with-oracle= ? I had the same problem with MySQL until I > specified where MySQL lived. > I haven't used Oracle so this is the most obvious thing I can think of. That's not a problem. It looks for $ORACLE_HOME. There was no problem with building it with Oracle & PHP support. It was that nasty crashing, burning smell that came afterwards. Kate From amk at broadcom.ie Mon Feb 7 17:19:05 2000 From: amk at broadcom.ie (Anton Mc Kee) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] INSTALL PROBS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000207172254.00920420@mail.broadcom.ie> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi guys, It seems as if there was a problem woth the autoboot on the copy of RH6.0 I have. (HAs quality control ever been an issue with RH I wonder aloud) so I have used 5.1 ;-( But it should do for a while as all i need on it is apache and php and a few other things. Can I start an upgrade from linux using the command line/ Anyhow Thanks v. much AJ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOJ7/bqLZ0WY03a8vEQIpSACgyvA4IfSkS8b6y6S5I5ttTeQn+7MAn0LI ip62DQCSpNyj4AjEZCsI/TjM =nMJQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- *********************************************************** AJ Mc Kee "We all go down now and again" http://dezel.dhs.org PGPKey is at http://www.broadcom.ie/websidestory/contact.phtml *********************************************************** From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Mon Feb 7 17:49:22 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Masquerading with SuSE 6.3 Message-ID: Have any of you done this ? I've installed the relevant RPM and made the appropriate entries in rc.config and edited the rc.firewall to what seemed reasonable, but not joy. It connected via ISDN like a dream (the main reason I used SuSE on this box) but the lack of masquerading on an Internet gateway is a problem :-) Mind you the firewall is really secure - as soon as I start the firewall script, the box itself can't even get out of the site, never mind the other clients. A working rc.firewall would be much appreciated. Regards, Niall O Broin From ags at tinet.ie Mon Feb 7 18:21:02 2000 From: ags at tinet.ie (Alan Sobey) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Masquerading with SuSE 6.3 Message-ID: <004101bf7198$4d7341b0$0203a8c0@awlid.lan> I have this in /sbin/init.d/boot.local on SuSE6.3 - works fine. I make no claims as to the security of it all though :) Afair, there's nothing masq-specific in the rc.config (apart from interface configuration settings). ##### # Setup up IP_Masqing # /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_ftp /sbin/ipchains -M -S 7200 10 160 /sbin/ipchains -P forward DENY /sbin/ipchains -A forward -s 192.168.3.0/255.255.255.0 -j MASQ /sbin/ipchains -I output 1 -i ppp0 -d 255.255.255.255 -j REJECT /sbin/ipchains -A input -i ppp0 /sbin/ipchains -A output -i ppp0 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niall" To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 5:43 PM Subject: [ILUG] Masquerading with SuSE 6.3 > Have any of you done this ? I've installed the relevant RPM and made the > appropriate entries in rc.config and edited the rc.firewall to what seemed > reasonable, but not joy. It connected via ISDN like a dream (the main > reason I used SuSE on this box) but the lack of masquerading on an > Internet gateway is a problem :-) Mind you the firewall is really secure - > as soon as I start the firewall script, the box itself can't even get out > of the site, never mind the other clients. A working rc.firewall would be > much appreciated. From paul__delaney at hotmail.com Mon Feb 7 20:25:58 2000 From: paul__delaney at hotmail.com (Paul Delaney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000207202519.30499.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello there, I am seeking information with regard to Linux courses, after reading www.linux.ie I now realise how ignorant I am on Linux. Is there some sort of courses in the Dublin area on Linux for Dummy's? Thanks, Paul. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Mon Feb 7 21:03:44 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20000207202519.30499.qmail@hotmail.com>; from paul__delaney@hotmail.com on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 12:25:18PM -0800 References: <20000207202519.30499.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20000207210242.D1657@online.ie> On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 12:25:18PM -0800, Paul Delaney mentioned: > Hello there, > > I am seeking information with regard to Linux courses, after reading > www.linux.ie I now realise how ignorant I am on Linux. > Is there some sort of courses in the Dublin area on Linux for Dummy's? Not quite. But we do have regular monthly meetings, with some talks of interest to new Linux users - and afterwards there are always people around to answer any questions that you have. It's our hope that eventually we will have organised courses for the general public, but that's a distance away yet. Kate From virus at dna.ie Mon Feb 7 22:02:48 2000 From: virus at dna.ie (virus) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] multiple pop addresses ...help! References: <20000204121829.161067B069@satsuma.mail.easynet.net> Message-ID: <389F4095.57EBBE63@dna.ie> thanks to both of you , i tried xfmail but it kept saying it couldnt find the forms for it . when i downed them they wouldnt install properly . the error i was having with the ./configure prob with ksendmail was checking for kde libraries installed... configure: error: your system fails at linking a small kde appication! check, if your compiler is installed correctly and if you have used the same compiler to compile qt and kdelibs as you did use now. think its using gcc or cc brian.galbraith@bigfoot.com wrote: > > On 4 Feb 00, at 11:10, Virus wrote: > > > hi all, > > > > i was wondering if there was a program for linux that was similar to eudopa > > 4 pro for windows. i.e. to have a copule of different pop address , with > > diff usernames and server and the ability to switch between then . also > > filtering itno folders would be nice. am i asking too much. > > > > im running rh6.1 > > Used to use Eudora myself.... I find XFmail to be quite good. Latest > version is 1.4.4, and that is as high as it will go. It is currently being > ported to GTK+ and will be known as Archimedes. > > You can look at XFmail on http://xfmail.slappy.org > > Regards > Brian > > Brian Galbraith > PGP/GnuPG encrypted mail preferred > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From vasundhara_ks at hotmail.com Tue Feb 8 03:34:39 2000 From: vasundhara_ks at hotmail.com (K S Vasundhara) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] please help Message-ID: <20000208033403.61399.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi Could you please hack the password for vasundhara@ficon-tech.com Vasundhara is the user name. Please send the password to vasundhara_ks@hotmail.com I need this info urgently. Please. I will be grateful as hell! Thank you ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From amk at broadcom.ie Tue Feb 8 08:52:31 2000 From: amk at broadcom.ie (Anton Mc Kee) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] please help In-Reply-To: <20000208033403.61399.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000208085626.00928100@mail.broadcom.ie> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sure and while I'm at it I may as well transfer a couple gran into your bank account. Come reallly did you expect this to be done? What is your reason? Can you prove you are the admin? get a life or else use the net! AJ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOJ/aOKLZ0WY03a8vEQL48wCfR9ZIG3xVY+srN9BUzv3LWUUBZeIAoJfz 74vMrf3PyWAGQVBEfzWd8oqE =Wc/f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- *********************************************************** AJ Mc Kee "We all go down now and again" http://dezel.dhs.org PGPKey is at http://www.broadcom.ie/websidestory/contact.phtml *********************************************************** From asa at gofree.indigo.ie Tue Feb 8 09:24:08 2000 From: asa at gofree.indigo.ie (ra) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Mail Server - newbie Message-ID: <001f01bf7216$56262290$bddc7ac0@quay.ie> Hi all, I have a bit of a delema, I had a box installed with Mandrake Helios 6.1 installed. I had setup a mail server on the box to recieve mail from our mail gateway and distribute it out to the various user accounts via imap. Everything was fine, then I got a copy of Mandrake Air 7.0 and decided to upgrade (without backing up!!!). To cut a long story short, it trashed my partitions and I lost everything (Lesson learnt re Backup). I cleared the HDD's and reinstalled V7.0 fresh. Now I can't remember how I setup the mail server. On the imap end, its installed, its enabled in the inetd.conf but it seams not to be running?? Can someone point me in the right direction to get this running again. Thanks Ronnie Ayres From dave at esat.net Tue Feb 8 09:35:04 2000 From: dave at esat.net (Dave Rynne) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] RHL 6.2beta... Message-ID: now up on ftp.esat.net if anyone's interested. Only the i386 tree for now as disk space is a bit on the low side. Dave From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Tue Feb 8 09:51:59 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Mail Server - newbie References: <001f01bf7216$56262290$bddc7ac0@quay.ie> Message-ID: <389FE610.8FDDF995@tradesignals.com> hehe.. look at my install-sendmail script at http://members.xoom.com/xeer/ or do a search on freshmeat.net for it if xoom is down. That'll get you going. (probably) Donncha. ra wrote: > > Hi all, [snip] > I cleared the HDD's and reinstalled V7.0 fresh. Now I can't remember how I > setup the mail server. On the imap end, its installed, its enabled in the > inetd.conf but it seams not to be running?? > > Can someone point me in the right direction to get this running again. From nick_elliott at ie.ibm.com Tue Feb 8 10:02:24 2000 From: nick_elliott at ie.ibm.com (nick_elliott@ie.ibm.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Couple of Questions Message-ID: <8025687F.003717A1.00@d06mta09.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com> Guys, I have a couple of questions: Firstly, I am getting a number of kernel token ring errors on my machines which are running RH5.1. They are of the form "tr0: New Ring Status 20". However, the number at the end of the message changes. Does anybody know where I can find a list of these error codes so that I can determine the cause of the problem. Secondly, when a PC is running at runlevel 3, is there any way that the screen can be locked so that people cannot come up and start typing away - they must type in a password to free up the keyboard. Mise Le Meas/Kind Regards/Mit Freundlichen Gruessen Nick Elliott, Disk Test Engineering, Storage systems Division, IBM International Holdings E-mail: Nick_Elliott@ie.ibm.com Tel: +353-1-8153031 From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Tue Feb 8 10:04:52 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] please help References: <20000208033403.61399.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <389FEA3B.66709457@arbgroup.com> ilug-admin@linux.ie wrote: > > Hi > Could you please hack the password for vasundhara@ficon-tech.com > Vasundhara is the user name. Please send the password to > vasundhara_ks@hotmail.com > I need this info urgently. Please. I will be grateful as hell! > Thank you When you fake an email from someone's account, please try and remember that the email contains a list of headers... in this case indicating that this email was posted by someone using a Hotmail server. To the owner of the 'vasundhara@ficon_tech.com' account : someone is trying to obtain your password... I suggest changing it to something pretty obscure if you haven't already. Regards, Vin From David.Airlie at ul.ie Tue Feb 8 10:37:18 2000 From: David.Airlie at ul.ie (Dave Airlie) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Couple of Questions In-Reply-To: <8025687F.003717A1.00@d06mta09.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com> Message-ID: > > Firstly, I am getting a number of kernel token ring errors on my > machines which are running RH5.1. They are of the form "tr0: New Ring > Status 20". However, the number at the end of the message changes. > Does anybody know where I can find a list of these error codes so that > I can determine the cause of the problem. > sounds like Token Ring .. and you do work in IBM :-), source code for token ring stuff in kernel is probably only place with info, or search on deja or altavista.. > Secondly, when a PC is running at runlevel 3, is there any way that the screen > can be locked so that people cannot come up and start typing away - they must > type in a password to free up the keyboard. > get vlock, and do vlock -a or logout all the terminals so they need an a/c ? Dave. > Mise Le Meas/Kind Regards/Mit Freundlichen Gruessen > > Nick Elliott, > Disk Test Engineering, > Storage systems Division, > IBM International Holdings > E-mail: Nick_Elliott@ie.ibm.com > Tel: +353-1-8153031 > > > > -- ------------ David Airlie, David.Airlie@ul.ie,airlied@skynet -------- Telecommunications Research Centre, ECE Dept, University of Limerick \ http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied -- Telecommunications Researcher \ --- TEL: +353-61-202695 ----------------------------------------------- From david.airlie at drua.ie Tue Feb 8 10:51:35 2000 From: david.airlie at drua.ie (Dave Airlie) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] cool think from l-k Message-ID: finger @finger.kernel.org [zeus.kernel.org] The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.2.14 The latest beta version of the Linux kernel is: 2.3.42 The latest prepatch (alpha) version *appears* to be: 2.3.43-2 cool eh? Dave. -- David Airlie, Software Engineer Drua Technologies Ltd, Innovation Centre, National Tech Park, Limerick. t: +353-61-503075 / f: +353-61-338065 / David.Airlie@drua.ie From gormo at itc.nuigalway.ie Tue Feb 8 10:55:49 2000 From: gormo at itc.nuigalway.ie (Gerard Gorman) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] XFS --- again! Message-ID: <389FF632.B6AD7716@itc.nuigalway.ie> XFS related problems have cropped up over the last few months but I have not been able to find what I was looking for in the archives so sorry if anyone is getting bored with the subject. The story is I had rh6.0 installed on a machine -- working grand except for the very odd x crash which happened every few weeks which I just blamed on the old version of enlightenment I was running-- Last week I upgraded it to 6.1. This too worked grand for a few days. It was only yesterday that I noticed X had died. On a complete restart of x I get: . . failed to set font path 'unix/:1' fatal server error could not open default font 'fixed' . . hmmm......xfs seems to be unok. When I removed the lock file (/var/lock/subsys/xfs) and restarted xfs by hand :> /etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs start :> /etc/rc.d/init.d/xfs status xfs dead but subsys locked Any suggestions please? I didn't change anything kernel or module wise. Thanks. BTW. Some of you might remember that I had problems with a 2.0.38 kernel which used to reboot the machine every time when it reached the PCI Bios. Thanks to those who offered suggestions. After a week we finally found that half the problem was a PCI transputer we had on the board had died horribly! Everything working sweetly now again with a new board. From lbedford at wbtsystems.com Tue Feb 8 10:56:07 2000 From: lbedford at wbtsystems.com (Liam Bedford) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] interesting snippet from emu10k1 devel list Message-ID: <21F0AC750696D311B8F000600856E86701972C@hopkins.dublin.wbtsystems.com> To quote Jon Taylor (Creative driver dude): "This should be of interest to this list moreso than the tools list. To reiterate, we were demoing Quake3 on a Voodoo3 card with the latest open source voodoo drivers the first day of the LinuxWorld show, and the low framerates and nasty sound echoing were in full effect. When we switched the next day to a GeForce card with the pre-beta GLX drivers, _ALL_ the problems with both sound and graphic went away completely! The situation appears to be that some video hardware can be real bus hogs (not very "good citizens" |->), and they do not properly check to see if the video card is allowed to take over the bus and burst data. They just go ahead and do it whenever they want to |-<. And this affects AGP as well |-<." (I have the rest of the mail, and it's archived on opensource.creative.com) Regards L. --- Liam Bedford 01-4170153 System Administrator WBT Systems, Block 2, Harcourt Ctr., Harcourt St., Dublin 2 From amk at broadcom.ie Tue Feb 8 11:10:12 2000 From: amk at broadcom.ie (Anton Mc Kee) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Sedmail Cf question Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000208111409.0093ecc0@mail.broadcom.ie> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I was wondeing if it is possible (And I presume it is) to modify sendmail so that every mail sent from a domain has one of those annoying messages at the bottom. Could someone possible point me in the right direction to find instructions on how to do this (please not the bat book or the man's as they are almost as ban to read as the cf) Thanks Very much, AJ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOJ/6f6LZ0WY03a8vEQJTtwCgq5Cfqb5TKaBRE+MFQGFlH+OO5ngAoKZg +htNZQT2uIi3FQRpB+RXjkO6 =dGSR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- *********************************************************** AJ Mc Kee "We all go down now and again" http://dezel.dhs.org PGPKey is at http://www.broadcom.ie/websidestory/contact.phtml *********************************************************** From lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie Tue Feb 8 11:40:26 2000 From: lhecking at nmrc.ucc.ie (Lars Hecking) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Sedmail Cf question In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000208111409.0093ecc0@mail.broadcom.ie>; from amk@broadcom.ie on Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 11:14:09AM +0000 References: <3.0.6.32.20000208111409.0093ecc0@mail.broadcom.ie> Message-ID: <20000208114013.B655@tehran.nmrc.ucc.ie> Anton Mc Kee writes: > Hi all, > > I was wondeing if it is possible (And I presume it is) to modify > sendmail so that every mail sent from a domain has one of those > annoying messages at the bottom. Could someone possible point me in You don't. Unless all you really want is breaking multipart-MIME and PGP/MIME emails. Use a custom header instead. > the right direction to find instructions on how to do this (please > not the bat book or the man's as they are almost as ban to read as > the cf) But the bat book is the ultimate reference. From dave.wilson at heanet.ie Tue Feb 8 11:54:53 2000 From: dave.wilson at heanet.ie (Dave Wilson) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Sedmail Cf question In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000208111409.0093ecc0@mail.broadcom.ie>; from amk@broadcom.ie on Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 11:14:09AM +0000 References: <3.0.6.32.20000208111409.0093ecc0@mail.broadcom.ie> Message-ID: <20000208115452.C7743@urda.heanet.ie> > not the bat book or the man's as they are almost as ban to read as Personal bias here: get the Bat book, make damn sure it's the second edition, and read through the start of it, slowly. This includes the bit where it says "unpack the source, and read all the docs that came with it" - if you follow through the updated "how to install sendmail" that comes with the tar.gz, you'll find it quite illuminating. Parts I and II of the Bat Book are very easy going and an excellent tutorial. Before you know it, you're knee-deep in Sendmail and swimming. What's more, the first two parts are probably all you'll ever need, unless you plan to do some proper .cf tweaking - which is something no standard mail administrator should want or need to do. 1st Ed is out of date and shouldn't be touched. Dave -- dave.wilson@heanet.ie --------------------------------------- +353-1-662-3412 It is one thing to pray; it is another to pray to entities who might not only be listening, but who will search you out on the road and beat you across the head with sticks if you say something that offends them. -- Neil Gaiman ------------------ For crypto key send a blank message to davew+pgp@heanet.ie From turiel at RedBrick.DCU.IE Tue Feb 8 11:56:23 2000 From: turiel at RedBrick.DCU.IE (Raf) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Samba password sync Message-ID: Is anyone using the unix password sync option in Samba? I seem to be having some problem configuring it. I have debug log level 100 on, and as far as I can see, samba isnt going anywhere near /usr/bin/passwd. Here's my entry in smb.conf: unix password sync = true passwd chat debug = yes log level = 100 passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u passwd chat = *New*password* %n\n *Re-enter*new*password* %n\n *changed*\n And some possibly relevant log entries: doing parameter passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u doing parameter passwd chat = *New*password* %n\n *Re-enter*new*password* %n\n *changed*\n startsmbfilepwent: opening file /usr/local/samba/private/smbpasswd getsmbfilepwent: skipping comment or blank line getsmbfilepwent: returning passwd entry for user admin, uid 101 found by name: admin endsmbfilepwent: closed password file. From lbedford at wbtsystems.com Tue Feb 8 12:02:24 2000 From: lbedford at wbtsystems.com (Liam Bedford) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Samba password sync Message-ID: <21F0AC750696D311B8F000600856E867019732@hopkins.dublin.wbtsystems.com> > From: Raf [mailto:turiel@RedBrick.DCU.IE] > > > Is anyone using the unix password sync option in Samba? I seem to be > having some problem configuring it. I have debug log level > 100 on, and as > far as I can see, samba isnt going anywhere near /usr/bin/passwd. > Unless I'm mistaken, you seem to be trying to use it to read the password file for logons. The password sync option is so that when you change your SMB Password (smbpasswd), it changes your UNIX password as well. I don't think there's any way (currently), of getting it to read /etc/passwd for logons (unless you can pamify it). Regards L. --- Liam Bedford 01-4170153 System Administrator WBT Systems, Block 2, Harcourt Ctr., Harcourt St., Dublin 2 From turiel at RedBrick.DCU.IE Tue Feb 8 12:06:06 2000 From: turiel at RedBrick.DCU.IE (Raf) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Samba password sync In-Reply-To: <21F0AC750696D311B8F000600856E867019732@hopkins.dublin.wbtsystems.com> Message-ID: > > Unless I'm mistaken, you seem to be trying to use it to read the password > file for logons. The password sync option is so that when you change your > SMB Password (smbpasswd), it changes your UNIX password as well. > > I don't think there's any way (currently), of getting it to read /etc/passwd > for logons (unless you can pamify it). > No, what im trying to do is to sync the unix password with the smb password when the smb password is changed via the smbpasswd program. I realise you cant authenticate logins using /etc/passwd with encrypted passwords. From akawaka at csn.ul.ie Tue Feb 8 12:12:39 2000 From: akawaka at csn.ul.ie (Martin Donlon) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] cool think from l-k In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kewl, can make the mirror scripts a bit more intelligent:) Long live the confused, Akawaka. -- Bother, said Pooh as the condom came away in his hand. On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Dave Airlie wrote: > > finger @finger.kernel.org > [zeus.kernel.org] > > The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.2.14 > The latest beta version of the Linux kernel is: 2.3.42 > The latest prepatch (alpha) version *appears* to be: 2.3.43-2 > > cool eh? > > Dave. > > -- > David Airlie, Software Engineer > Drua Technologies Ltd, Innovation Centre, National Tech Park, Limerick. > t: +353-61-503075 / f: +353-61-338065 / David.Airlie@drua.ie > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > From diamond at csn.ul.ie Tue Feb 8 12:47:31 2000 From: diamond at csn.ul.ie (Stephen Shirley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] XFS --- again! In-Reply-To: <389FF632.B6AD7716@itc.nuigalway.ie> Message-ID: Yup - I've been having the exact same problem with Mandrake 6.1 - now idea wtf is up. Xfs is not giving any errors - it just dies and locks the subsys (whatever that means). Anyone? Steve From diamond at csn.ul.ie Tue Feb 8 12:48:44 2000 From: diamond at csn.ul.ie (Stephen Shirley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] interesting snippet from emu10k1 devel list In-Reply-To: <21F0AC750696D311B8F000600856E86701972C@hopkins.dublin.wbtsystems.com> Message-ID: Well i have a Voodoo 3 3000 and a Sound Blaster Live Value card - and the q3demo for linux runs perfectly. Maybe the mb was faulty or someat. Steve From diamond at csn.ul.ie Tue Feb 8 12:53:53 2000 From: diamond at csn.ul.ie (Stephen Shirley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Kernel module writing... Message-ID: Hi, I'm trying to write a kernel module for my final year project. The kernel module needs to communicate with a user space program. The link needs to be two way. How do I go about this? I know you can use pipes, fifos, ipc, semaphores and shared memory between user processes, but are any of those available to the kernel? Thanks, Steve From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Tue Feb 8 12:58:45 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Display messages on the main page. Message-ID: <38A011D2.2EECEC2@tradesignals.com> Have a look over at http://www.phpbuilder.com where they list the newest threads from their support forum. Wouldn't something like this for *.linux.ie be great considering the amount of traffic on the lists here, (well, ILUG mainly!). I might have a look at it sometime soon, but if anyone has any ideas on the best approach to code this please don't keep it to yourself. Donncha. From kenn at bluetree.ie Tue Feb 8 13:00:12 2000 From: kenn at bluetree.ie (Kenn Humborg) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Kernel module writing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Hi, > I'm trying to write a kernel module for > my final year project. The kernel module needs > to communicate with a user space program. The > link needs to be two way. How do I go about this? > I know you can use pipes, fifos, ipc, semaphores > and shared memory between user processes, > but are any of those available to the kernel? Take a look at userfs: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~mccormack/userfs.html http://www.goop.org/~jeremy/userfs/ They needed to do something similar. Later, Kenn From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Tue Feb 8 13:00:31 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Kernel module writing... In-Reply-To: ; from diamond@csn.ul.ie on Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 12:55:48PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20000208125915.I6042@online.ie> On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 12:55:48PM +0000, Stephen Shirley mentioned: > Hi, > I'm trying to write a kernel module for > my final year project. The kernel module needs > to communicate with a user space program. The > link needs to be two way. How do I go about this? > I know you can use pipes, fifos, ipc, semaphores > and shared memory between user processes, > but are any of those available to the kernel? Have a look at the source for PerlFS - it's a kernel module that talks to a userspace perl program, which implements a filesystem. Should have everything you need to know in it. If you aren't passing that much stuff back and forwards, a device file is often an easy way to go. Kate From lbedford at wbtsystems.com Tue Feb 8 13:00:56 2000 From: lbedford at wbtsystems.com (Liam Bedford) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] interesting snippet from emu10k1 devel list Message-ID: <21F0AC750696D311B8F000600856E86701973A@hopkins.dublin.wbtsystems.com> Various people on the list have said that as well... but the SBLive drivers seem to have pointed out a number of deficiencies, either in linux's gaming oriented drivers, or in hardware (the bp6 is starting to be a major problem with people complaining that they can't get it working reliably with a Live all the time!) L. --- Liam Bedford 01-4170153 System Administrator WBT Systems, Block 2, Harcourt Ctr., Harcourt St., Dublin 2 > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Shirley [mailto:diamond@csn.ul.ie] > Sent: 08 February 2000 12:51 > To: ilug@linux.ie > Subject: Re: [ILUG] interesting snippet from emu10k1 devel list > > > Well i have a Voodoo 3 3000 and a Sound Blaster Live Value > card - and the q3demo for linux runs perfectly. Maybe > the mb was faulty or someat. > > Steve > > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for > (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > From ciaran.bradley at marine.ie Tue Feb 8 13:09:04 2000 From: ciaran.bradley at marine.ie (Ciaran Bradley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Oracle WebDB anyone Message-ID: <07D7681326EDD211883700A0C9AA270C244E6D@gpo.marine.ie> Hi, I've just managed to get Oracle8 up and running after several attempts (in spite of the awful Oracle documentation) and now I want to get Oracle WebDB working with it. Has anyone on the list had any luck installing version 2.0 (or higher)? Or does anybody know of any howtos, hints, tips etc for WebDb? Thanks, Ciaran Ciaran Bradley, Project Officer, Irish Marine Data Centre, Marine Science Technology & Innovation Services Marine Institute 80 Harcourt Street Dublin 2 Ireland. > http://www.marine.ie/datacentre/ > email : ciaran.bradley@marine.ie Tel: + 353 1 4757 100 Fax: + 353 1 478 4988 From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Tue Feb 8 13:11:10 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] tape drive Message-ID: <38A015E8.F6CAD57F@arbgroup.com> Hi, I just acquired an AIWA TD-20001 internal SCSI tape drive, which I'm planning on running in my Linux server. However, first I need to find tapes for it, and then I need to get some reliable and useful software to drive it. Any recommendations on cheap places to get tapes for this (it takes NS20 and pretty much everything on down, I believe) and also what software to run? Regards, Vin From john.allen at oc2.com Tue Feb 8 13:18:23 2000 From: john.allen at oc2.com (John Allen) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] XFS --- again! References: Message-ID: <38A01842.358F86B3@oc2.com> Stephen Shirley wrote: > Yup - I've been having the exact same problem with > Mandrake 6.1 - now idea wtf is up. Xfs is not > giving any errors - it just dies and locks the > subsys (whatever that means). > > Anyone? > You have a bad fonts.dir somewhere (ie. a font file with a space in the name) > > Steve > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- =============================================================================== John Allen, Email: john.allen@orbiscard.com Orbis Payment Technology Ltd, Phone: +353-1-2945111 3 Sandyford Park, Mobile: +353-86-2315986 Sandyford Industrial Estate, Fax: +353-1-2945119 Dublin 18. =============================================================================== From rdunph01 at email.mot.com Tue Feb 8 13:20:47 2000 From: rdunph01 at email.mot.com (Dunphy Richard-rdunph01) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] interesting snippet from emu10k1 devel list Message-ID: I have a Voodoo 3000 AGP with SBLive 1024 working perfectly. I also subscribe to the emu10k1 mailing list. It looked to me that the original poster was trying to bad mouth Voodoo cards while singing praises of the GeForce card. What was your point in posting the snippet? Are you trying to point out deficiencies in the SB Live driver? If so what do you expect. It's still only in developer stage! When they finally release the drivers and these kind of things happen then I will worry, until then if I want proper drivers I'll use OSS or something. As for the BP6. There are a number of problems with it, not just with the live card. See the kernel mailing list where they suspect a BIOS bug. RikD > -----Original Message----- > From: Liam Bedford [mailto:lbedford@wbtsystems.com] > Sent: 08 February 2000 12:58 > To: ilug@linux.ie > Subject: RE: [ILUG] interesting snippet from emu10k1 devel list > > > Various people on the list have said that as well... but the > SBLive drivers seem to have pointed out a number of deficiencies, > either in linux's gaming oriented drivers, or in hardware > (the bp6 is starting to be a major problem with people complaining > that they can't get it working reliably with a Live all the time!) > > L. > --- > Liam Bedford 01-4170153 > System Administrator WBT Systems, Block 2, > Harcourt Ctr., > Harcourt St., Dublin 2 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Shirley [mailto:diamond@csn.ul.ie] > > Sent: 08 February 2000 12:51 > > To: ilug@linux.ie > > Subject: Re: [ILUG] interesting snippet from emu10k1 devel list > > > > > > Well i have a Voodoo 3 3000 and a Sound Blaster Live Value > > card - and the q3demo for linux runs perfectly. Maybe > > the mb was faulty or someat. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > -- > > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for > > (un)subscription information. > > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for > (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > From con.hennessy at airtel-atn.com Tue Feb 8 13:24:24 2000 From: con.hennessy at airtel-atn.com (Con Hennessy) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Kernel module writing... References: Message-ID: <38A019B4.D923FC74@airtel-atn.com> Another concept to think about is the use of Streams. Checkout LiS at http://www.gcom.com/LiS. Con From gormo at itc.nuigalway.ie Tue Feb 8 13:59:12 2000 From: gormo at itc.nuigalway.ie (Gerard Gorman) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] XFS --- again! References: <38A01842.358F86B3@oc2.com> Message-ID: <38A0212E.1951ABF@itc.nuigalway.ie> Hmm.. I just got it working again but it's ticking me off how I did it. I removed the sticky bit from /tmp permissions and suddenly everything worked fine!!!!! Could someone verify this plez? cheers, g From colm at tuatha.org Tue Feb 8 14:05:46 2000 From: colm at tuatha.org (Colm Buckley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] XFS --- again! In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:59:10 GMT Message-ID: <200002081405.OAA02849@dagda.tuatha.org> > Hmm... I just got it working again but it's ticking me off how I did > it. I removed the sticky bit from /tmp permissions and suddenly > everything worked fine!!!!! Very odd. /tmp should be 01777 (ugo=rwx,+t), *never* anything different. Removing the sticky bit would imply that any user can delete and rename *all* files in /tmp, not just their own - this isn't desireable. It might be that xfs (note : not XFS; that'a a filesystem) was trying to use files which had previously been created by/as a different user. I suggest: stop xfs poke around in /tmp, remove anything which looks like it might be xfs-related. chmod 01777 /tmp start xfs ... Colm -- Colm Buckley B.A. B.F. # colm@tuatha.org # +353 87 2469146 http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ # whois cb3765 If you can't convince them, confuse them. From David.Airlie at ul.ie Tue Feb 8 14:11:36 2000 From: David.Airlie at ul.ie (Dave Airlie) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Kernel module writing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: kernel/user netlink is another method, I think it juses a dev file to read/write from .. Dave. On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Stephen Shirley wrote: > Hi, > I'm trying to write a kernel module for > my final year project. The kernel module needs > to communicate with a user space program. The > link needs to be two way. How do I go about this? > I know you can use pipes, fifos, ipc, semaphores > and shared memory between user processes, > but are any of those available to the kernel? > > Thanks, > Steve > > > -- ------------ David Airlie, David.Airlie@ul.ie,airlied@skynet -------- Telecommunications Research Centre, ECE Dept, University of Limerick \ http://www.csn.ul.ie/~airlied -- Telecommunications Researcher \ --- TEL: +353-61-202695 ----------------------------------------------- From eleanor.duff at aes.ie Tue Feb 8 15:44:00 2000 From: eleanor.duff at aes.ie (Eleanor Duff) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Access Forbidden Message-ID: Hi All, This is a bit complicated to explain but.... I am running a Windows2000 DNS server, and an Apache 1.3.x web server on a RED HAT 6 Linux. I have no problem connecting to the right place (IP and such) but I keep getting a page saying that Access to the Index.html Page is forbidden. The Setup is as follows - The owner and group of the site and all the pages within it are root The Default Web Site has the User & Group set to Nobody (this is ok, cause its only local stuff we are testing) and always has been. Can anyone help me? Regards, Ellie From 962264N at knotes.kodak.com Tue Feb 8 16:03:36 2000 From: 962264N at knotes.kodak.com (962264N@knotes.kodak.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] OT? IP Routing Message-ID: <8525687F.005697E9.00@knotes.kodak.com> From: Fergal Moran Hi all, I don't know if this is off or on topic but here goes. I have a box which runs NT4 WKS and RH6.1 with the IP address 192.168.0.2. This is connected via a crossover cable to a NT4 Server to a NIC with the IP 192.168.0.1. Another NIC on the NT Server box with the IP 192.168.1.1 is connected to a box running RH6 with the IP 192.168.1.2. The 0.1 NIC on the NT server is set to use the 1.1 NIC as default gateway and vice versa. IP forwarding is set up on both. 192.168.0.2 is set to use 192.168.0.1 as its gateway and 192.168.1.2 is set to use 192.168.1.1. Here's the problem. from 192.168.0.2 I can ping 192.168.0.1 from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.0.2 from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.1.1 from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.1.2 but from 192.168.0.2 I cannot ping 192.168.1.2 or vice versa running either RH or NT Wks Any help please. Regards, Fergal From albertw at netsoc.ucd.ie Tue Feb 8 16:05:53 2000 From: albertw at netsoc.ucd.ie (Albert White (Sysadmin)) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Access Forbidden In-Reply-To: ; from eleanor.duff@aes.ie on Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 03:47:31PM -0000 References: Message-ID: <20000208160543.B20693@karma.netsoc.ucd.ie> Hi, On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 03:47:31PM -0000, Eleanor Duff wrote: > I keep getting a page saying that Access to the Index.html Page is forbidden. ok so you are sure that you can connect to the webserver. in apaches config files the DocumentRoot is specified: httpd.conf:DocumentRoot "/usr/local/apache/htdocs" in this directory you chould have an index.html file, this should be world readble, 'Forbidden' errors are usually a permissions problem. Failing that have a look in the servers error logs for problems. hth Al -- Albert White Head Sysadmin, UCD Internet society - www.netsoc.ucd.ie From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Tue Feb 8 16:10:59 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] OT? IP Routing In-Reply-To: <8525687F.005697E9.00@knotes.kodak.com>; from 962264N@knotes.kodak.com on Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 04:05:53PM +0000 References: <8525687F.005697E9.00@knotes.kodak.com> Message-ID: <20000208160956.B7047@online.ie> On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 04:05:53PM +0000, 962264N@knotes.kodak.com mentioned: > from 192.168.0.2 I can ping 192.168.0.1 > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.0.2 > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.1.1 > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.1.2 First off, get rid of zeros. Rename that network to 192.168.2 or something. Then, make sure, if you are all on the same physical network that your netmask is set to 255.255.0.0 "0" in networking terms often means the same as 255 - in other words broadcast. Kate From 962264N at knotes.kodak.com Tue Feb 8 16:14:16 2000 From: 962264N at knotes.kodak.com (962264N@knotes.kodak.com) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] OT? IP Routing Message-ID: <8525687F.00579183.00@knotes.kodak.com> From: Fergal Moran Okilly dokilly. Let you know tomorrow how I get on! "John P. Looney" on 08/02/2000 16:09:56 Please respond to ilug@linux.ie To: ilug@linux.ie cc: (bcc: Fergal Moran/962264/Ireland/Europe/EKC) Subject: Re: [ILUG] OT? IP Routing On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 04:05:53PM +0000, 962264N@knotes.kodak.com mentioned: > from 192.168.0.2 I can ping 192.168.0.1 > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.0.2 > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.1.1 > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.1.2 First off, get rid of zeros. Rename that network to 192.168.2 or something. Then, make sure, if you are all on the same physical network that your netmask is set to 255.255.0.0 "0" in networking terms often means the same as 255 - in other words broadcast. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From vcunniff at arbgroup.com Tue Feb 8 16:15:05 2000 From: vcunniff at arbgroup.com (Vincent Cunniffe) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Access Forbidden References: Message-ID: <38A04103.49D219E9@arbgroup.com> Eleanor Duff wrote: > > Hi All, > > This is a bit complicated to explain but.... > > I am running a Windows2000 DNS server, and an Apache 1.3.x web server on > a RED HAT 6 Linux. I have no problem connecting to the right place (IP > and such) but I keep getting a page saying that Access to the Index.html > Page is forbidden. > > The Setup is as follows - > The owner and group of the site and all the pages within it are root > > The Default Web Site has the User & Group set to Nobody (this is ok, > cause its only local stuff we are testing) and always has been. > > Can anyone help me? Is this a new problem or has it always been like this? One possible problem is that your Apache server is probably running as 'nobody', trying to read files which are owned by root and which do not allow read access by anyone else. Check the ownership flags on the files : if they're -rwx------ root root then you have a problem, because no-one except root can access them at all, and Apache should never be run as root. Regards, Vin From ronan at mediasat.ie Tue Feb 8 16:46:55 2000 From: ronan at mediasat.ie (Ronan Kirby) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Apache dead on linux.ie? Message-ID: <38A03CAD.2734397B@mediasat.ie> I don't seem to be able to connect to port 80 on it :o( From rwhite at informationmosaic.com Tue Feb 8 16:47:33 2000 From: rwhite at informationmosaic.com (Roy White) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] OT? IP Routing Message-ID: <41F0A35904B5D111AA0D00805FCBCBD71E5B37@INF_MOS1> I think when you have more than one NIC in an ntserver machine you should only assign one of them with a gateway.... otherwise it gets confused :-) -Royster > -----Original Message----- > From: 962264N@knotes.kodak.com [SMTP:962264N@knotes.kodak.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 4:06 PM > To: ilug@linux.ie > Subject: [ILUG] OT? IP Routing > > > > From: Fergal Moran > > Hi all, > > I don't know if this is off or on topic but here goes. I have a box which > runs NT4 WKS and RH6.1 with the IP address 192.168.0.2. This is connected > via a crossover cable to a NT4 Server to a NIC with the IP 192.168.0.1. > Another NIC on the NT Server box with the IP 192.168.1.1 is connected to a > box running RH6 with the IP 192.168.1.2. The 0.1 NIC on the NT server is > set to use the 1.1 NIC as default gateway and vice versa. IP forwarding is > set up on both. 192.168.0.2 is set to use 192.168.0.1 as its gateway and > 192.168.1.2 is set to use 192.168.1.1. > > Here's the problem. > > from 192.168.0.2 I can ping 192.168.0.1 > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.0.2 > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.1.1 > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.1.2 > > but > from 192.168.0.2 I cannot ping 192.168.1.2 or vice versa running either RH > or NT Wks > > Any help please. > > Regards, > > Fergal > > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription > information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From ronan at mediasat.ie Tue Feb 8 16:53:25 2000 From: ronan at mediasat.ie (Ronan Kirby) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: Re: [ILUG] Apache dead on linux.ie? References: <38A03CAD.2734397B@mediasat.ie> Message-ID: <38A04ADD.618C575C@mediasat.ie> Ronan Kirby wrote: > > I don't seem to be able to connect to port 80 on it :o( > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie From colm at tuatha.org Tue Feb 8 17:14:22 2000 From: colm at tuatha.org (Colm Buckley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Apache dead on linux.ie? In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 08 Feb 2000 15:56:29 GMT Message-ID: <200002081714.RAA04663@dagda.tuatha.org> > I don't seem to be able to connect to port 80 on it :o( Right, I have to speak up here. For heaven's sake, what's the point of mailing the ILUG list to complain that the server which hosts that very list is down? A *little* common-sense is called for here. If anyone notices a problem with the server, mail me directly, *not* this list or any other list. Colm (furrfu!) -- Colm Buckley B.A. B.F. # colm@tuatha.org # +353 87 2469146 http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ # whois cb3765 I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. From ronan at mediasat.ie Tue Feb 8 17:44:39 2000 From: ronan at mediasat.ie (Ronan Kirby) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Apache dead on linux.ie? References: <200002081714.RAA04663@dagda.tuatha.org> Message-ID: <38A056E2.F36F60F9@mediasat.ie> Colm Buckley wrote: > > > I don't seem to be able to connect to port 80 on it :o( > > Right, I have to speak up here. > > For heaven's sake, what's the point of mailing the ILUG list to complain > that the server which hosts that very list is down? A *little* > common-sense is called for here. Well Colm, if I had said that the server was down, then you would have a point. But I said is "is apache dead", not is the server dead. A *little* more attention when reading mails is called for here. - R From colm at tuatha.org Tue Feb 8 18:00:50 2000 From: colm at tuatha.org (Colm Buckley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Apache dead on linux.ie? In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:48:18 GMT Message-ID: <200002081800.SAA05001@dagda.tuatha.org> > Well Colm, if I had said that the server was down, then you would have a > point. But I said is "is apache dead", not is the server dead. A > *little* more attention when reading mails is called for here. And what could the list do about it which I couldn't do about it? There are more than four hundred subscribers to the ilug list, and I'm one of them. However, I'm the only one who can do anything about apache on lugh being down. Mail *me* if you think it's down, not four hundred random people. (It wasn't, by the way. Indigo did lose connectivity for a few minutes earlier this afternoon, but the services on lugh remained alive.) Colm -- Colm Buckley B.A. B.F. # colm@tuatha.org # +353 87 2469146 http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ # whois cb3765 If I wanted to hear the patter of tiny feet, I'd put clogs on my cat. From rkirby at mediasat.ie Tue Feb 8 18:09:32 2000 From: rkirby at mediasat.ie (Ronan Kirby) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Apache dead on linux.ie? In-Reply-To: <200002081800.SAA05001@dagda.tuatha.org> Message-ID: > And what could the list do about it which I couldn't do about it? There > are more than four hundred subscribers to the ilug list, and I'm one of > them. However, I'm the only one who can do anything about apache on > lugh being down. Mail *me* if you think it's down, not four hundred > random people. I was of the understanding that you were not the only person with root on the box. So incase on person is away, another can fix - hense mailing it to the list. But if your the only person with root on it, then fair enough. > (It wasn't, by the way. Indigo did lose connectivity for a few minutes > earlier this afternoon, but the services on lugh remained alive.) Weird, as I could connect to port 25 on it, and ping etc. Just couldn't connect to 80. Oh well, its working now, so who cares. > > Colm - R From colm at tuatha.org Tue Feb 8 18:14:13 2000 From: colm at tuatha.org (Colm Buckley) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Apache dead on linux.ie? In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 08 Feb 2000 18:08:55 GMT Message-ID: <200002081814.SAA05115@dagda.tuatha.org> FWIW, it's *possible* that apache was down for a short time - I install security patches and updates etc. on a daily basis; obviously this requires short periods of downtime, but not usually more than a few seconds. I don't *think* there was any apache upgrade today, but you may have been unlucky. > I was of the understanding that you were not the only person with root on > the box. So incase on person is away, another can fix - hense mailing it > to the list. But if your the only person with root on it, then fair > enough. I'm the only person with root on it. In any case, there's another list (admin@linux.ie) which you can mail which goes to a core group of people who maintain the website; if I'm not available, they might be able to help. Just so's you know. Colm -- Colm Buckley B.A. B.F. # colm@tuatha.org # +353 87 2469146 http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ # whois cb3765 Berserk: okay in a fight but not so good when you're taking tea. From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Tue Feb 8 20:26:08 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Nasty oracle problem Message-ID: <20000208202505.B27675@online.ie> I'm having horrid Oracle problems. It keeps crashing PHP, and I think this could be the cause: gcc -DLINUX=2 -I/var/tmp/unarc/php-4.0b3 -I/var/tmp/unarc/php-4.0b3/libzend -I/var/tmp/unarc/php-4.0b3/libzend -I/var/tmp/unarc/php-4.0b3 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I./lib/expat-lite -s -O2 `./apaci` -rdynamic \ -o httpd buildmark.o modules.o modules/example/libexample.a modules/php4/libphp4.a modules/experimental/libexperimental.a modules/standard/libstandard.a modules/proxy/libproxy.a main/libmain.a ./os/unix/libos.a ap/libap.a regex/libregex.a lib/expat-lite/libexpat.a -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/packages/mysql-3.22.23b-pc-linux-gnu-i686//lib -Lmodules/php4 -L../modules/php4 -L../../modules/php4 -lmodphp4 -ldl -lgd -lm -lresolv -lnsl -lcrypt -lgdbm -lttf -lc-client -lldap -llber -L/usr/local/packages/mysql-3.22.23b-pc-linux-gnu-i686//lib -lmysqlclient -L/dump/oracle/lib -Wl,-rpath,/dump/oracle/lib -lclntsh -lm -lpam -lm -lcrypt -lndbm -ldb -ldl /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `ofetch' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `orol' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `oerhms' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `oclose' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `oexfet' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `olog' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `ocom' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `obndra' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `ocof' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `ologof' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `oopen' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `odefin' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `oflng' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `ocon' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `oexec' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `oparse' are not defined /usr/bin/ld: warning: type and size of dynamic symbol `odescr' are not defined Now, all the requisite oracle headers are #included - so why should that pop up ? Anyone that solves my Oracle problems gets a free pint the next ILUG meeting. Kate From gmc at indigo.ie Tue Feb 8 20:31:06 2000 From: gmc at indigo.ie (Gary Mc Closkey) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] tape drive References: <38A015E8.F6CAD57F@arbgroup.com> Message-ID: <001301bf7273$de0f1880$8faa02d4@default> Sorry - can't help on the hardware side, but as for software, /dev/st0, mt and tar are your friends. Taking them in order: * /dev/st0 is the default scsi tape unit. It also exists as /dev/nst0 . The difference? st0 rewinds at the end of an operation, nst0 doesn't. * mt is a tool for looking at the state of the tape unit (on-line, in-use, etc.), moving the tape in the cartridge around - rewinding, fastforwarding, etc. It's also used when you have multiple archives on a single tape and you want to skip forward or back N archives. See the man pages for more. * tar - what can I say? Except if you aren't used to tape devices you'll find it strange that archives on the tapes don't have file names. I.e. you have an archive of files, the files have file names, but the archive has no name itself. You can however assign a label to the archive. Again, see man for more. Oh yeah - make sure you're using GNU tar - it avoids the leading slash problem for restoring ... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Cunniffe > Hi, > > I just acquired an AIWA TD-20001 internal SCSI tape drive, which I'm > planning on running in my Linux server. > > However, first I need to find tapes for it, and then I need to get > some reliable and useful software to drive it. From jplooney-ilug at online.ie Tue Feb 8 20:36:01 2000 From: jplooney-ilug at online.ie (John P. Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Re: Nasty oracle problem In-Reply-To: <20000208202505.B27675@online.ie>; from jplooney-ilug@online.ie on Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 08:25:06PM +0000 References: <20000208202505.B27675@online.ie> Message-ID: <20000208203457.C27675@online.ie> On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 08:25:06PM +0000, John P. Looney mentioned: > I'm having horrid Oracle problems. It keeps crashing PHP, and I think > this could be the cause: Turns out it's likely to be bug in /usr/bin/ld; http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/1999-07/threads.html#00736 Kate, annoyed From hellbunnie at irelands-web.ie Tue Feb 8 20:36:53 2000 From: hellbunnie at irelands-web.ie (Kathryn Cassidy (User Account)) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] OT? IP Routing In-Reply-To: <41F0A35904B5D111AA0D00805FCBCBD71E5B37@INF_MOS1> References: <41F0A35904B5D111AA0D00805FCBCBD71E5B37@INF_MOS1> Message-ID: <200002082043.UAA29374@leviathan.irelands-web.ie> I had a similar setup(ish) and found I was getting warnings when I had two networks using 192.168.1.x IPs on one and 192.168.2.x on the other. This happened even with the subnet mask for each as 255.255.255.0. It shouldn't make the slightest bit of difference, but you might want to change one of the networks to the 172.16.x.x (or the other private address range) range of IPs and see if it makes any difference. Also, I wouldn't set up a default route on the NT server at all. Instead I'd just set the default route of each client machine to be the relevant nic on the server. That should be sufficient info for the two networks to talk to eachother, I think... At least that's the way I've got mine set up and it seems happy enough. Kathryn. > > From: Fergal Moran > > runs NT4 WKS and RH6.1 with the IP address 192.168.0.2. This is > connected > > via a crossover cable to a NT4 Server to a NIC with the IP 192.168.0.1. > > Another NIC on the NT Server box with the IP 192.168.1.1 is connected to > a > > box running RH6 with the IP 192.168.1.2. The 0.1 NIC on the NT server is > > set to use the 1.1 NIC as default gateway and vice versa. IP forwarding > is > > set up on both. 192.168.0.2 is set to use 192.168.0.1 as its gateway and > > 192.168.1.2 is set to use 192.168.1.1. > > > > Here's the problem. > > > > from 192.168.0.2 I can ping 192.168.0.1 > > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.0.2 > > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.1.1 > > from 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.1.2 > > > > but > > from 192.168.0.2 I cannot ping 192.168.1.2 or vice versa running either > RH > > or NT Wks From bro1 at operamail.com Tue Feb 8 22:09:36 2000 From: bro1 at operamail.com (Linas Jakucionis) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Access Forbidden In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had similar problem a week ago... Directory in which index.html is placed should have executable permisions... Linas Jakucionis On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Eleanor Duff wrote: > Hi All, > > This is a bit complicated to explain but.... > > I am running a Windows2000 DNS server, and an Apache 1.3.x web server on > a RED HAT 6 Linux. I have no problem connecting to the right place (IP > and such) but I keep getting a page saying that Access to the Index.html > Page is forbidden. > > The Setup is as follows - > The owner and group of the site and all the pages within it are root > > The Default Web Site has the User & Group set to Nobody (this is ok, > cause its only local stuff we are testing) and always has been. > > Can anyone help me? > > Regards, > Ellie > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > From tjohnston at oceanfree.net Tue Feb 8 22:51:42 2000 From: tjohnston at oceanfree.net (Trevor Johnston) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Sysadmin Needed for Linux Classroom In-Reply-To: <20000204091847.A1207@online.ie> Message-ID: While this subject is still going strong, I'd like to point out that Saint Oliver's Community College in Drogheda is on the lookout for a fulltime systems administrator for the next school year. I'm a sixth year student there and thought someone on the list might well be interested in this... If you've been following this thread you'll know that Saint Oliver's has the best computer system of any second-level school in the country; a Linux mail, file and web server at the head of about sixty Windows machines dotted all across the school building. The 1200 students (third largest in Ireland) have their own email addresses, 10Mb of storage and their own web space. Anyway, the NCTE has given a grant to the school for a full-time sys-admin next year; it's a pilot project and we're the only school in Ireland to be given one so far. You'll have to know all about Linux networking, Samba and Windows and be patient with the students (who aren't really that bad at all). You can read all about it at: http://www.socc.ie Trevor Johnston From mel at csn.ul.ie Tue Feb 8 23:47:14 2000 From: mel at csn.ul.ie (Mel) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Threads, fork etc In-Reply-To: <200002051653.QAA18256@callisto.netnoteinc.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Justin Mason wrote: > allsop said: > > > I'm working on developing a network server program at the moment, and I'd > > better way of doing it? > > Do it UNIX-wise -- use fork(), and fork a process to handle each request > if possible. Threads are a big reliability sacrifice, for obvious > reasons -- if you coredump in one thread, the whole comes > down around your ears -- coredump in a process, and only that proc will > die. > Depends on the size of the process. Fork is "heavier" than threading. I don't think you should expect your processes to be coredumping either. Threads have a speed advantage to fork depending on the thread implementation. Also bear in mind, that he might want the processes to share information > Forking is slower than threads -- but threadsafe development itself > incurs a performance penalty, as locks are required around shared (or > possibly-shared) data structures. > yeah, but with locking in the right place, it's negliable. You can use thread unique data to avoid collisions. With fork, you have to use shared memory and semaphores which is even bigger > But to answer the q you actually asked ;) -- you shouldn't have any > problem forking processes from within a subthread AFAIK. > oohhhhh. very messy. under POSIX, the new process only has one thread. If there is mutex's involved, it's very easy to deadlock and you have a right problem on your hand. You have to declare fork handlers before ou can fork safely and thats bothersome. back to the problem, if the sub processes need to share data, then thread - it's the way of the future. If the subprocesses are big, thread. In fact, it's only if each process is small, truely self contained and so on, is fork a better idea. Mel From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Tue Feb 8 23:48:08 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Nasty oracle problem In-Reply-To: <20000208202505.B27675@online.ie> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, John P. Looney wrote: > Now, all the requisite oracle headers are #included - so why should that > pop up ? Anyone that solves my Oracle problems gets a free pint the next > ILUG meeting. Looking at my calendar, I'd say that anyone who solves your Oracle problems deserves more than a pint :-) Good luck ! Regards, Niall From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Tue Feb 8 23:51:49 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Sysadmin Needed for Linux Classroom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Trevor Johnston wrote: > given one so far. You'll have to know all about Linux networking, Samba > and Windows and be patient with the students (who aren't really that bad > at all). Hmm . . you should know that being patient with users is cause for dismissal from the System Administrators' Guild :-) Regards, Niall O Broin BOFH and proud of it ! From sean at binky.net Wed Feb 9 00:51:01 2000 From: sean at binky.net (Sean) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Apache dead on linux.ie? In-Reply-To: <200002081814.SAA05115@dagda.tuatha.org>; from colm@tuatha.org on Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 06:14:12PM +0000 References: <200002081814.SAA05115@dagda.tuatha.org> Message-ID: <20000209005101.A18745@indigo.ie> Colm Buckley wrote something: { FWIW, it's *possible* that apache was down for a short time - I install { security patches and updates etc. on a daily basis; obviously this { requires short periods of downtime, but not usually more than a few { seconds. 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Looney) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Sysadmin Needed for Linux Classroom In-Reply-To: ; from tjohnston@oceanfree.net on Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 10:52:03PM +0000 References: <20000204091847.A1207@online.ie> Message-ID: <20000209101752.G27808@online.ie> On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 10:52:03PM +0000, Trevor Johnston mentioned: > You can read all about it at: > http://www.socc.ie And, you can hear all about it at the next ILUG Dublin Meeting. Kate From donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com Wed Feb 9 11:12:24 2000 From: donncha.ocaoimh at tradesignals.com (Donncha O Caoimh) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Perl OO and formats Message-ID: <38A14A6E.618AC77@tradesignals.com> Just got my head around Perl OO yesterday (after a lengthy time away from trying to figure it out, those O'Reilly books are great!) and I'm trying to print to a FORMAT from a derived function. I tried the obvious, $self->{CUSTOMER_REPORT} = CUSTOMER_REPORT; in the base constructor which didn't work (didn't think it would though.) but I'd like to know if anyone knows a better way of using formats other than including the file in each function, or making them global variables. (Is that possible with formats even?) Donncha. From niall at mailtest.inpho.ie Wed Feb 9 11:46:41 2000 From: niall at mailtest.inpho.ie (Niall) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] rsh/ssh network disconnections Message-ID: I'm having a strange problem which I hope someone can finger. I've just upgraded a box used as an ISDN gateway to SuSE 6.3 and rsh / ssh connections from it to internal / external boxes break down with a message rlogin: read: Connection reset by peer. The ssh breakdowns have the same message, minus the rlogin. It seems that they happen at the same time as rsh breakdowns. However, that has only happened twice and each time I flipped from the VC with the dead ssh to that with the rsh, the rsh was dead also. I suspect that the same thing causes both errors, but what the **** is it ? Ideas gladly welcomed. Regards, Niall O Broin From david at baker.ie Wed Feb 9 11:48:57 2000 From: david at baker.ie (David Ryan) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] How to find out what has changed on a volume ? Message-ID: <38A1543F.5B6A4A6E@baker.ie> Is it possible to run a command in Linux which will show me files which have been modified or created in the last X days ? I use this feature regularly in a competing commercial OS since it allows me to see what has happened on a machine when I have set up a new application, or when something is misbehaving. Normally it just turns up log files and stuff, but at least I can see what has been written to the disk without having to try to work out where it should be . . . Not sure if that is clear, but basically what I am looking for is a feature which will go through a whole disk and dump out a list of files with modified or created dates within a certain range. I'm sure it must be out there somewhere. I could share it out using Samba and then run the checks from NT, but it would be nice to do it natively. Thanks, David From aidan at sslinc.com Wed Feb 9 11:52:53 2000 From: aidan at sslinc.com (Aidan Keady) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] How to find out what has changed on a volume ? Message-ID: <200002091152.LAA06524@dublin109.ssldesign.com> > Is it possible to run a command in Linux which will show me files which > have been modified or created in the last X days ? find . -name "*" -mtime -20 > Logfile will put the names of anything modified in the last 20 days into Logfile, at least in Solaris. I guess find works the same in Linux. ATB, Aidan. From ray at offler.phbrink.ie Wed Feb 9 11:56:35 2000 From: ray at offler.phbrink.ie (ray@offler.phbrink.ie) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] How to find out what has changed on a volume ? In-Reply-To: <38A1543F.5B6A4A6E@baker.ie> References: <38A1543F.5B6A4A6E@baker.ie> Message-ID: <20000209115631.A13395@offler.phbrink.ie> On Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 11:49:19AM +0000, David Ryan wrote: > Is it possible to run a command in Linux which will show me files which > have been modified or created in the last X days ? find will do this for you, the manpages should hold all the keys, If you're looking for slightly more than that or you're wanting to watch certain files, tripwire is not a bad bet, also if using redhat or someother rpm based distro vou can use rpm to verify what files are originals, again manpages and/or command --help are the key to figuring out how it's done Ray ... Raymond Kelly: ray@phbrink.ie : Systems Administrator: PH Brink International, Ballybrit Business Park, Galway, Ireland: TEL: +353 91 771181: Mobile: +353 87 2886761 (Caller ID only): From jm at jmason.org Wed Feb 9 12:00:15 2000 From: jm at jmason.org (Justin Mason) Date: Wed Oct 28 22:39:01 2009 Subject: [ILUG] Threads, fork etc In-Reply-To: Message from Mel of "Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:49:05 GMT." Message-ID: <200002091200.MAA00945@callisto.netnoteinc.com> Mel said: > Depends on the size of the process. Fork is "heavier" than threading. I > don't think you should expect your processes to be coredumping > either. Threads have a speed advantage to fork depending on the thread > implementation. Also bear in mind, that he might want the processes to > share information No, you're right, a process coredumping is *not* good. My POV on this though is that software is never perfect, and occasionally you will accidentally leave in bugs in a production version, that cause coredumps/assertion failures/fatal errors... it'd be better not to bring the lot crashing down at that point. > > But to answer the q you actually asked ;) -- you shouldn't have any > > problem forking processes from within a subthread AFAIK. > oohhhhh. very messy. under POSIX, the new process only has one thread. If > there is mutex's involved, it's very easy to deadlock and you have a right > problem on your hand. You have to declare fork handlers before ou can fork > safely and thats bothersome. IIRC the original question was regarding whether it was OK to fork-and-exec from within a thread to run a command -- I think *this* is OK. As you point out, forking a multi-threaded process, and then expecting to be able to use existing mutexes etc., is dangerous (and I'd say unportable too!) but I think fork&exec is OK. > back to the problem, if the sub processes need to share data, then thread > - it's the way of the future. If the subprocesses are big, thread. In > fact, it's only if each process is small, truely self contained and so on, > is fork a better idea. Another advantage of threading BTW is that it's portable to Win32 -- whereas fork isn't. Fork loses on that point! I'm pretty down on threading, but it can definitely be useful -- especially if you need to communicate between the subprocesses/threads. My personal preference is to design with fork() in mind; it can be possible to "design out" some requirements for inter-thread/inter-process communication. I think both a fork-based / threads-based model should be catered for at the des