Sadly Im running Mandrake so apt-get is not a runner! Ive seen reports that there is a bug in Firefox that wont allow the acorbat plug in to work! in terms of the Java plug in it suggests using JRE 1.4.2_04 RPM but I dont seem to be able to find it rpmfind gives 1.3.1 Anyone any idea where 1.4.2 lurks? D