hi, For all the mail admins out there check out http://mail.cablenet.ie:3000/ And i thought that having private address space exposed to the internet was bad. as in: traceroute to dagda.tuatha.org (193.1.31.98), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.63.1.1 (10.63.1.1) 5.293 ms 6.000 ms 5.728 ms 2 10.60.1.61 (10.60.1.61) 351.508 ms 461.369 ms 388.478 ms this is just funny. nils