[ILUG] Re: ILUG Digest, Vol 23, Issue 80
Lutz Poetschulat
lutz.poetschulat at web.de
Thu Nov 25 08:40:00 GMT 2004
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irli> Today's Topics:
irli> 1. Re: A hardware modem, a hardware modem, my kingdom for a
irli> hardware modem. (Proinnsias Breathnach)
irli> 2. Re: please unsibscribe (Chris Higgins)
irli> 3. Re: please unsibscribe (Rick Moen)
irli> 4. Re: please unsibscribe (Chris Higgins)
irli> 5. Re: please unsibscribe (Kieran.Tully AT acm.org)
irli> 6. Re: please unsibscribe (Rick Moen)
irli> 7. Re: A hardware modem, a hardware modem, my kingdom for a
irli> hardware modem. (Philip Creevy)
irli> 8. Re: A hardware modem, a hardware modem, my kingdom for a
irli> hardware modem. (ompaul)
irli> 9. Motions and AGMs Re: [ILUG] please unsibscribe (ompaul)
irli> 10. Re: Motions and AGMs Re: [ILUG] please unsibscribe (Frank Murphy)
irli> 11. Re: Motions and AGMs Re: [ILUG] please unsibscribe (Liam Bedford)
irli> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
irli> Message: 1
irli> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:41:11 +0000
irli> From: Proinnsias Breathnach <proinnsias at linux.ie>
irli> Subject: Re: [ILUG] A hardware modem, a hardware modem, my kingdom for
irli> a hardware modem.
irli> To: John Gay <johngay at eircom.net>
irli> Cc: ilug at linux.ie
irli> Message-ID: <20041124214111.GJ32536 at butler.project-bob.home>
irli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
irli> On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 07:28:48PM +0000, John Gay wrote:
>> But seriously, I'm installing Linux onto a PC for a friend who's tired of
>> getting all the latest virii that Windows breeds.
>>
irli> <snip>
>> My other option is to beg, borrow or 'liberate' a REAL hardware modem from
>> some kind soul here to avoid such hassle. Maplins only carries the Intel
>> ones, which I can't get to work, and I'm not willing to pay over 50 for an
>> external serial modem. This would be the prefered option, since I know that
>> 'proper' hardware modems just work.
>>
>> Thanks for lending me your eyes and any feedback, or modem ofers greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
irli> You could always try our friends in Fairview - www.marx-computers.com
irli> who carry a number of internal and external hardware modems:
irli> Connexant/Rockwell 56k (soft HCF) is €15 (but you don't want that)
irli> (for what it's worth the 2.4 kernels work at full speed with the
irli> 'old' linuxant free[beer] drivers. It's the 2.6 drivers are crippled)
irli> Intel/Ambient hardware modem €25 (PCI) it says linux is supported :)
irli> There's also a USB modem for €35, a PCMCIA one for €45 or an external
irli> serial modem for €40
irli> All prices are inc-vat, and they will happily ship the stuff to you for
irli> a reasonably small sum.
irli> Proinnsias
irli> (No connection bar being a happy customer !)
irli> ------------------------------
irli> Message: 2
irli> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:53:56 +0000
irli> From: Chris Higgins <chris.higgins at darach.ie>
irli> Subject: Re: [ILUG] please unsibscribe
irli> To: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
irli> Cc: ilug at linux.ie
irli> Message-ID: <20041124215356.4803e3db.chris.higgins at darach.ie>
irli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
irli> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:49:03 -0800
irli> Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
>> Quoting Lutz Poetschulat (dl9cu at linkfailure.de):
>>
>> > hi,
>> >
>> > is it possible to unsubscribe from this list ?
>>
>> No, people who lack sufficient clue to send administrative queries to
>> the LISTADMIN, rather than to the entire list membership, are doomed
>> to receive ILUG mail until the end of time.
irli> Well according to Bloomberg
irli> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aUX7SJyRmFU8&refer=us
irli> Intel is providing a Linux development kit to
irli> Asian/Pacific computer manufacturers
irli> who are rolling out Linux desktops
irli> " Intel is providing customers with software drivers,
irli> documentation and resources to ``more easily design, build
irli> and sell Intel-based desktops with the Linux operating
irli> system,'' the Santa Clara, California-based company
irli> said in a statement."
irli> Yes - that was "desktops" with linux...
irli> also - according to Slashdot
irli> "The latest offerings in the Pentium 4 family now support
irli> AMD's x86-64 architecture, even though Intel is not willing to
irli> admit it very openly, by using cryptic names like EM64T and (gasp) IA-32e. "
irli> Strange times indeed.
irli> So - "the end of time" may well be a lot closer than we
irli> thought before - seemingly sales of de-icing equipment[0] in
irli> hell are skyrocketing.
irli> [0] http://www.vnunet.com/news/1140128
irli> Yup... getting very cold down there...
>>
>> --
>> Irish Linux Users' Group
>> http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug/
>>
irli> --
irli> Chris Higgins
irli> Darach Technology Ltd tel: +353-1-6204370
irli> email: chris.higgins at darach.ie fax: +353-1-6204371
irli> http://www.darach.ie
irli> ------------------------------
irli> Message: 3
irli> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:21:29 -0800
irli> From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
irli> Subject: Re: [ILUG] please unsibscribe
irli> To: ilug at linux.ie
irli> Message-ID: <20041124222129.GQ11078 at linuxmafia.com>
irli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
irli> Quoting Chris Higgins (chris.higgins at darach.ie):
>> Strange times indeed.
>>
>> So - "the end of time" may well be a lot closer than we thought
>> before - seemingly sales of de-icing equipment[0] in
>> hell are skyrocketing.
irli> JPEG! JPEG!
irli> Oh, wait:
irli> http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/pictures/it-finally-happened.jpeg
irli> ------------------------------
irli> Message: 4
irli> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:54:09 +0000
irli> From: Chris Higgins <chris.higgins at darach.ie>
irli> Subject: Re: [ILUG] please unsibscribe
irli> To: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
irli> Cc: ilug at linux.ie
irli> Message-ID: <20041124225409.4d2bda57.chris.higgins at darach.ie>
irli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
irli> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 14:21:29 -0800
irli> Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
>> Quoting Chris Higgins (chris.higgins at darach.ie):
>>
>> > Strange times indeed.
>> >
>> > So - "the end of time" may well be a lot closer than we thought
>> > before - seemingly sales of de-icing equipment[0] in hell are
>> > skyrocketing.
>>
>> JPEG! JPEG!
>>
>> Oh, wait:
>> http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/pictures/it-finally-happened.jpeg
irli> No ... sorry Rick - that is hell freezing under.
irli> Try : http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/499.jpg
irli> --
irli> Chris
irli> ------------------------------
irli> Message: 5
irli> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:55:29 +0000
irli> From: "Kieran.Tully AT acm.org" <kieran.tully at gmail.com>
irli> Subject: Re: [ILUG] please unsibscribe
irli> To: ompaul <ompaul at eircom.net>, ILUG <ilug at linux.ie>
irli> Message-ID: <f325b6d304112414551bf98d38 at mail.gmail.com>
irli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
irli> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:22:03 +0000, ompaul <ompaul at eircom.net> wrote:
>> To counteract this.
>> I propose that we unsubscribe people after 114 years, could the list
>> admin please see to that?
irli> My alternative motion for the next AGM:
irli> "That the ILUG mailing list be closed to posting by subscribers."
irli> This change would eliminate misdirected "unsibscribe" requests and
irli> out-of-office replies. It would also substantially reduce flame-wars
irli> and indulgent noise, such as this email.
irli> --
irli> Kieran Tully, Software Developer and Tenor
irli> Reply to Kieran.Tully AT acm.org
irli> http://kieran.tul.ly http://www.cs.tcd.ie/~tullyka
irli> ------------------------------
irli> Message: 6
irli> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:00:37 -0800
irli> From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
irli> Subject: Re: [ILUG] please unsibscribe
irli> To: ilug at linux.ie
irli> Message-ID: <20041124230037.GR11078 at linuxmafia.com>
irli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
irli> Quoting Chris Higgins (chris.higgins at darach.ie):
>> No ... sorry Rick - that is hell freezing under.
irli> Darn. Well, my grandmother Margot, my tante Laura, and my uncle Reidar
irli> always did warn me not to trust those shifty Norwegians.
irli> --
irli> Cheers, The Viking's Reminder:
irli> Rick Moen Pillage first, _then_ burn.
irli> rick at linuxmafia.com
irli> ------------------------------
irli> Message: 7
irli> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:03:19 +0000
irli> From: Philip Creevy <tiger98 at iol.ie>
irli> Subject: Re: [ILUG] A hardware modem, a hardware modem, my kingdom for
irli> a hardware modem.
irli> To: John Gay <johngay at eircom.net>
irli> Cc: ilug at linux.ie
irli> Message-ID: <1101337398.5642.5.camel at localhost.localdomain>
irli> Content-Type: text/plain
irli> Is an ISA modem any good?
irli> regards
irli> Philip Creevy
irli> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 19:28, John Gay wrote:
>> But seriously, I'm installing Linux onto a PC for a friend who's tired of
>> getting all the latest virii that Windows breeds.
>>
>> The down-side is the PC has an HCF modem. A bit of research tells me that
>> there are Linux drivers for it, but the free version only runs 14.4k. the 56K
>> version is at a price?
>>
>> After many attempts with the MandrakeMove CD from the last expo, I found that
>> there were kernel modules and config scripts for HCF and HSF modems. And I
>> even managed to get the modem to talk, after trying an Intel 536 modem and a
>> Zoom USB modem, both with no luck. But at least I know that I 'can' make the
>> modem work.
>>
>> Originally, I was hoping to use the new Progeny system for install, but being
>> Debian-based, the chances of getting the HCF modem working are slim.
>>
>> I do have Mandrake10.1 from the latest version of Linux Format on DVD. I'd
>> just need to create CD's from it, or put my DVD drive into the PC for
>> install. Does anyone know if this particular version of Mandrake includes the
>> HCF drivers that I found on the MandrakeMove CD?
>>
>> My other option is to beg, borrow or 'liberate' a REAL hardware modem from
>> some kind soul here to avoid such hassle. Maplins only carries the Intel
>> ones, which I can't get to work, and I'm not willing to pay over 50 for an
>> external serial modem. This would be the prefered option, since I know that
>> 'proper' hardware modems just work.
>>
>> Thanks for lending me your eyes and any feedback, or modem ofers greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John Gay
irli> ------------------------------
irli> Message: 8
irli> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:47:35 +0000
irli> From: ompaul <ompaul at eircom.net>
irli> Subject: Re: [ILUG] A hardware modem, a hardware modem, my kingdom for
irli> a hardware modem.
irli> To: John Gay <johngay at eircom.net>
irli> Cc: ilug at linux.ie
irli> Message-ID: <41A51D97.6000101 at eircom.net>
irli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
irli> Proinnsias Breathnach wrote:
>>On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 07:28:48PM +0000, John Gay wrote:
>>
>>
>>>But seriously, I'm installing Linux onto a PC for a friend who's tired of
>>>getting all the latest virii that Windows breeds.
>>>
>>>
>>
irli> Hiya John,
irli> As I have said time and again to various people but not on this list.
irli> PC world have external modems so if you have a comms port stty0/1 will
irli> be of use to you.
irli> I only say this because these Dixon Group shops seem to be in every
irli> large shopping centre in Dublin and beyond.
irli> Grab one anyway incase your DSL goes down and you can complain to the
irli> ISP using email :)
irli> Reagards,
irli> Paul O'Malley
irli> ------------------------------
irli> Message: 9
irli> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 23:58:39 +0000
irli> From: ompaul <ompaul at eircom.net>
irli> Subject: Motions and AGMs Re: [ILUG] please unsibscribe
irli> To: Kieran.Tully at acm.org
irli> Cc: ILUG <ilug at linux.ie>
irli> Message-ID: <41A5202F.3050306 at eircom.net>
irli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
irli> Kieran.Tully AT acm.org wrote:
>>On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:22:03 +0000, ompaul <ompaul at eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>To counteract this.
>>>I propose that we unsubscribe people after 114 years, could the list
>>>admin please see to that?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>My alternative motion for the next AGM:
>>"That the ILUG mailing list be closed to posting by subscribers."
>>
>>This change would eliminate misdirected "unsibscribe" requests and
>>out-of-office replies. It would also substantially reduce flame-wars
>>and indulgent noise, such as this email.
>>
>>
irli> Kirean,
irli> Given the trashing that motion got at the AGM where on behalf of someone
irli> who wanted it passed but could not get there I made sure it was
irli> seconded, and then said ahh sure what the * and voted for it also :)
irli> I thing altough it got nominated and seconded there was exactly one vote
irli> for it, but hey if you want to be involved get down to the next
irli> committee meeting and listen in and chip in with whatever you have to
irli> offer.
irli> As for noise, personally I welcome it, I think it is a good sign that
irli> there has been some light hearted banter on the list and not a flame war.
irli> Of course we do note that there is no sibscribtion service and so
irli> therefore it would be with great difficulty that we could provide an
irli> unsibscription service.
irli> With all that in mind, it is almost time to plan the weekend :)
irli> Cheers
irli> Paul
irli> ------------------------------
irli> Message: 10
irli> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:41:59 +0000
irli> From: Frank Murphy <lists2004 at utvinternet.com>
irli> Subject: Re: Motions and AGMs Re: [ILUG] please unsibscribe
irli> To: ompaul at eircom.net
irli> Cc: ilug at linux.ie
irli> Message-ID:
irli> <6.1.2.0.0.20041125073220.026cb520 at pop.utvinternet.com>
irli> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
irli> I just have to pipe in, as I felt the members were not helping this individual.
irli> if we all refer back to the OP "[ILUG] please unsibscribe"
irli> He does not want help to "Un subscribe" he wants us, the ILUG,
irli> to help him in his endeavor not to talk to his family.
irli> If you break down his plea :
irli> UN= Negative (as I don't believe he means the World Body)
irli> Sib= Sibling http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sib
irli> Scribe= Writer http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scribe
irli> So he needs a walk through for disabling:
irli> Sendmail, Postix, or other as yet unknown MTA.
irli> Frank
irli> ------------------------------
irli> Message: 11
irli> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:27:13 +0000
irli> From: Liam Bedford <lbedford at lbedford.org>
irli> Subject: Re: Motions and AGMs Re: [ILUG] please unsibscribe
irli> To: ilug at linux.ie
irli> Message-ID: <1101371233.5018.0.camel at localhost.localdomain>
irli> Content-Type: text/plain
irli> On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 23:58 +0000, ompaul wrote:
>> Kieran.Tully AT acm.org wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:22:03 +0000, ompaul <ompaul at eircom.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>To counteract this.
>> >>I propose that we unsubscribe people after 114 years, could the list
>> >>admin please see to that?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >My alternative motion for the next AGM:
>> >"That the ILUG mailing list be closed to posting by subscribers."
>> >
>> >This change would eliminate misdirected "unsibscribe" requests and
>> >out-of-office replies. It would also substantially reduce flame-wars
>> >and indulgent noise, such as this email.
>> >
>> >
>> Kirean,
>>
>> Given the trashing that motion got at the AGM where on behalf of someone
>> who wanted it passed but could not get there I made sure it was
>> seconded, and then said ahh sure what the * and voted for it also :)
>>
irli> I don't remember that motion coming up at the agm. I remember every
irli> single possible variation on the motion that was proposed being proposed
irli> though.
irli> This motion has some merit, even if it would stop this mail.
irli> L.
irli> ------------------------------
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