[ILUG] Suggestions for best 64 bit Linux distro?
paul.biggar at gmail.com
Wed Jun 29 12:09:21 IST 2005
On 6/29/05, Nils Olofsson <lists at olofsson.tv> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 21:53 +0100, Paul Biggar wrote:
> > In gentoo, packages are going to fail.
> So you know this for a fact ?(is it written in stone that gentoo
> packages will fail)
Ye old 'taking a quote out of context'. Good to see that your
arguments have decended to this level after only 150 posts.
> > You can't get around the fact
> > that they simply are not as well tested as either ubuntu or debian.
> So your telling me that my Gentoo box should be crashing every 10 mins ?
> or if i do a emerge system that its going to break everything?
<sarcasm why="because these people dont understand english">
As you can see, that is exactly the point I made. To quote myself:
"Your system should be crashing every 10 minutes"
"If you do an emerge system, it's going to break everything"
Another useful arguing tactic, which you seem to have found all by
yourself, is 'putting words into the other persons mouth, then saying
how rediculous they are'.
> > Your copy of a package is really your own. It might never have been
> > tested with your exact combination of CFLAGS and USE flags. And since
> Most ebuilds have a their own default Use flags which are know to work,
> Just have a look at an ebuild if you don't believe me... and will not
> build with anything for which it was not designed to work with in the
> first place.For example:
> USE="gstreamer" emerge evolution
> According to your idea of what gentoo is, evolution should be compiled
> against gstreamer but it will not, as evolution is not designed to work
> with gstreamer maybe sometime it will(who knows)
This is getting old at this point. You're not the only people here who
know how gentoo works. Yes, I know that you can't just make an ebuild
USE something which isnt part of it. That much is obvious to a child.
And I use gentoo, and have spent the necessary time crawling through
the docs, examples and manpages to understand portage, USE flags etc.
But here's an example:
Apache has the following USE flags:
apache2 debug doc ldap mpm-leader mpm-peruser mpm-prefork
mpm-threadpool mpm-worker no-suexec ssl static-modules threads
There's 13 there, but we'll discount 'doc', because that doesnt really
change the configuration. So 12. So that by itself is 4096 possible
configurations. Evolution has 15 flags; Mplayer has 74 flags. How
likely is it that there are many people running exactly the same as
you? And this simple example doesnt take CFLAGS into account. There
could be bugs that only crop up when you use -finline-functions, or
-O3 or -ffast-math.
> As for CFLAGS there are recommended flags which 99% of people will use
> All you have to do is read /etc/make.conf.example for a better
99% of people use them? Doubt it. I'd love to hear how you came to
this figure. And the docs I read (installation handbook, amd64
version), didnt recommend anything. Gentoo users, email me your
CFLAGS. I'll compare them to mine, and to each other, and we'll see
how alike they are.
This is ignoring the fact that the idea of gentoo is to have CFLAGS
for your system, not for everyone elses.
> I hate it when people who, that never used gentoo or bother to get a
> clue seem to be experts on all things Gentoo related.
I use gentoo. Though your condescension is touching.
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