[ILUG] Re: ILUG sends s/w patents briefing document to Irish MEPs
kiniry at acm.org
Tue Mar 22 09:44:38 GMT 2005
On 22 Mar, 2005, at 7:47, Paul O'Malley wrote:
> Gavin McCullagh wrote:
>> Joseph Kiniry wrote:
>>> On 21 Mar, 2005, at 21:03, Paul O'Malley wrote:
>>>> Joseph Kiniry wrote:
>>>>> Also, how often do you believe that serious modern "for profit"
>>>>> software development does not require significant capital?
>>>> I believe the following to be examples of serious modern and for
>>>> profit software development.
>>>> (A) Iona
>>>> (B) Mandrakesoft
>>>> (C) Novell/SuSE
>>>> (D) Redhat
>>>> (E) Sage (not the system administrators guild :))
>>> Ok. But you still did not answer the question. You gave me a list
>>> of some companies, some of which focus on FOSS-based technologies,
>>> and others which to my knowledge do not.
>>> Are you suggesting that none of these companies required significant
>>> capital to develop the software that is the core of their
>> I think what Paul is pointing out is that while these companies do
>> significant capital they do not require software patents to
>> it. Your point (as I understood it, please correct) was that software
>> patents are needed to recoup/justify this capital. The above
>> seem to be some of many contradictory examples.
> They are just companies that use large amounts of capital. They do not
> need patents to make the majority of business happen, you need a
> feasible economic model and customers. Some may be in possession of
> patents but most of their business is in the delivery of customer
> That is all.
But I was not asking that question either. (Note: I am a mathematician
as well as a computer scientist, so I try to be very precise in my
language. If I say X I mean X, not F(X). <g>)
David had earlier said:
> I certainly do, just check out the oil cartel patent portfolio some
> time... It's just with software the effect is particularly nasty and
> visible because there's still significant capital required for
> real-world engineering, unlike software development (and of course
> unless you begin to need significant capital to overcome patent
> licensing constraints... This is how patents can be used to raise the
> barrier to market entry for new players by established players.
I am arguing to the contrary: I suggest that significant capital is
still required for real-world *software* engineering, regardless of
I never argued that one cannot build and run a business without
leveraging the borked patent system. I obviously believe this to be
the case, as I have done it myself five times.
P.S. List admins: your "downloadable version" of the list archive at
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double-check your pipermail install. Also, how about local search
function, as one cannot guarantee the periodicity of Google crawls of
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