Gmail was Re: [ILUG] Best Email Server to Use

[Colm Buckley]

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.ie> wrote:

>
> The knockon effect of them doing this is extremely negative. That Google
>> ignore this and try to fudge whenever it's mentioned seems to be a given.
>>
>> [citation needed]
>>
>
> Check the SPAM-L archives for starters


No.  You make the accusation, you get to do the research.

But not that of any RFC author, is that right?  Seriously.  You accused
>> GMail of flouting RFCs, and I want to know which ones.
>>
>
> I will dig out the references when I get a chance


I await the results with interest.  Skeptical interest, but you never know.

Do you seriously think that Google wants to be a source of spam?  We are OF
>> COURSE aware that our service is being abused, and we are OF COURSE working
>> on plugging the holes.
>>
>
> If that was the case you wouldn't obfuscate the source IP.
>
> If you revealed the user's source IP in the headers we could block THEM not
> Google


Given that the quantity of legitimate email from GMail is overwhelmingly
larger than the quantity of spam email, your spam:legitimate mail ratio will
probably actually increase if you block Google.  Anyone who blacklists a
major email provider needs their head examined.

I think, however, that you have simply failed to grasp the difficulties
>> associated with operating at this scale
>>
>
> No I haven't, but it's a wonderful excuse to use, isn't it?
> Anytime Google do anything that flies in the face of the accepted norms the
> "scale" argument is trucked out


Yeah, we're all about making excuses for things.  At least we don't accuse
others of violating written standards without actually, you know, being able
to back up the claim.


> What makes me laugh is that you still cling to the "do no evil" meme


Really?  That makes you laugh?

What, precisely, is funny about it?


> I stand by my assertion that GMail for your domain is a better solution
>> than almost anything else out there for the overwhelming majority of cases.
>>  Especially when combined with the Postini mail frontier system.
>>
>> Well you would do, wouldn't you


Excellent rebuttal!  I shall change my position forthwith!

Colm


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