[ILUG] Android gone Free
watty at eircom.net
Wed Oct 29 11:33:17 GMT 2008
Colm Buckley wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Michael Watterson <watty at eircom.net
> <mailto:watty at eircom.net>> wrote:
> It is all about having a CLOSED platform, a google alternative to
> Java. Android is only incidentally Linux. It could be WinMo,
> Symbian etc.. the important bit got Google and what the apps run
> on is the custom Google version of Java.
> The *open* custom Google version of Java. Running on the *open*
> custom Google version of Linux. I'm not sure you really know what
> you're talking about here.
> If you want an Open phone build your own or buy OpenMoko. A
> Symbian phone is more open than Android.
> On what basis do you claim this?
> Colm Buckley / colm at tuatha.org <mailto:colm at tuatha.org> / +353 87 2469146
Android you are not supposed to install Native Apps. Think Archos 5 or
605WiFi. Lovely Linux Gadget only runs user apps in Flash, Java, Opera
Widgets or Web Client generally. No user supplied native Apps.
Symbian you can write and install a native App. No Java needed.
Symbain is even going open. The Source of Archos and T-Mobile
G1/Android is Linux based and open. You can't install native apps or
your own version of Linux on the Hardware supplied with either.
A Mac or Windows PC is a more open Plaform than an Android Phone. Don't
be fooled by the fact the Android version of Linux and the Google
Android version of Java is open. This is not about an Open Platform.
Having Open Source Android is less useful as having the Source for the
SW of a Brother Sewing machine.
Unless you want to write Google Android flavour Java apps for the Google
Store or an Android phone you buy, forget about Android. It's really no
different to concept of Archos gadgets (Linux) or iPhone (OS-X). It's
about Google Control.
I've built real open source Linux gadgets and worked with 3rd party ones
such as GP2X or Sharp Zaurus. Iv'e done my own HW with my own custom OS
too. I can see no value to Android except to Google and some Phone
carriers. It's no step forward for Linux or Open Source or DIY phones
like Trolltech Greenphone or OpenMoko was.
If you want to fiddle with interesting HW and Linux this rather than
Android is a better starting point:
Not a phone (though it's possible to add a USB 3G Modem and do VOIP).
If you want to write native apps on an Open Source OS, for real
commercial phones, currently Symbian is the closest you can get.
Writing native apps and installing for WinMobile AKA is technically
possible but harder, it's a more broken OS (derived from Sega
Dreamcast/WinCE, not Win NT/Win 9X family) and I doubt it will ever be open.
iPhone you can write Native Apps, but Apple has to approve and it will
never be open despite it is BSD based.
Android is a Closed "Java" type platform that happens to have the OS and
version of JVM / Java Stack Open Source. It's not a platform for native
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