[ILUG] Re: ILUG Digest, Vol 41, Issue 37

Sun Mar 22 11:39:19 GMT 2009

hi,

there is a new website devoted to new ideas to save the irish economy.
obviously adopting linux could be a huge cost saving exercise right accross
the country. we should get as many people as we can to submit linux related
ideas. especially as the chief executive of microsoft Ireland is on the
panel of "experts." This is the future of our nation afterall.

Anyway, here's the link...
http://www.ideascampaign.ie/

kev.

2009/3/21 <ilug-request at linux.ie>

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>   1. Re: Elara's HP server (Timothy Murphy)
>   2. Re: Elara's HP server (Timothy Murphy)
>   3. Re: Elara's HP server (Lisa Muir)
>   4. Re: Elara's HP server (FRLinux)
>   5. Things are breaking on Fedora 10 (Conor Mac Aoidh)
>   6. Re: Things are breaking on Fedora 10 (FRLinux)
>   7. Re: Things are breaking on Fedora 10 (Conor Mac Aoidh)
>   8. Re: Elara's HP server (Niall O Broin)
>   9. Re: Elara's HP server (keith)
>  10. Re: Things are breaking on Fedora 10 (Frank Murphy (Frankly3D))
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Timothy Murphy <gayleard at eircom.net>
> To: Robert Sweetnam <linux at sweetnam.eu>
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:53:49 +0000
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Elara's HP server
> On Saturday 21 March 2009 00:51:54 Robert Sweetnam wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone have an opinion on Elara's very cheap (216 euro)
> > > HP ML110 G5 Xeon 3065 ?
> > >
> > > I'm interested in running it at a remote location.
> > > It says it support Wake-on-LAN;
> > > I wonder if that is likely to work?
> > >
> > > I'd prefer a much smaller, lighter machine using less energy,
> > > but I don't see any servers along those lines.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions gratefully received.
> >
> > Link to the actual offer please Tim!
>
> http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=ECE1466838
>
>
> --
> Timothy Murphy
> e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
> tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
> s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Timothy Murphy <gayleard at eircom.net>
> To: ilug at linux.ie
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:20:26 +0000
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Elara's HP server
> On Saturday 21 March 2009 10:29:55 Niall O Broin wrote:
> > On 20 Mar 2009, at 22:09, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
> > > I'd prefer a much smaller, lighter machine using less energy,
> > > but I don't see any servers along those lines.
> >
> > If your goal is low energy, then you need to forget about conventional
> > PCs and get some kind of home NAS such as a Buffalo Linkstation. Not
> > sure
> > about wake on lan support in these but if your reason to use wake on lan
> > is to save power, be aware that these small NAS devices use much less
> > power
> > than a regular PC anyway.
> >
> > Of course, you haven't said what you want the box to do, and it may be
> > that
> > a NAS doesn't have the power for your needs, but if it does, it might
> > be your
> > answer.
>
> Thanks for your suggestion.
> It's not really clear to me that something like the Buffalo Linkstation
> would actually use less energy than a machine sleeping until wake-on-LAN?
> (I see the Linkstation Mini, which seems to be the smallest, consumes 10w.)
>
> Also, I'm not clear how the Linkstation would attach to the internet.
> Does it contain an ADSL modem?
>
> I should say that I do not know what I am talking about.
> I'm not sure what sort of sleep a server like Elara's HP goes into.
>
> I've been very struck by how little power my ancient Thinkpad T23 uses
> when sleeping in RAM (I assume).
> Some recent change in thinkpad-acpi under Fedora-10
> seems to have improved the sleep-to-RAM facility enormously.
> My Thinkpads (T43 and T23) go to sleep as soon as the lid is closed,
> and seem to remain alive for much longer than they used to.
>
>
> --
> Timothy Murphy
> e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net
> tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366
> s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Lisa Muir <34.24.34 at gmail.com>
> To: Timothy Murphy <gayleard at eircom.net>
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:22:14 +0000
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Elara's HP server
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Timothy Murphy <gayleard at eircom.net>
> wrote:
> > On Saturday 21 March 2009 10:29:55 Niall O Broin wrote:
> >> On 20 Mar 2009, at 22:09, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> >
> >> > I'd prefer a much smaller, lighter machine using less energy,
> >> > but I don't see any servers along those lines.
> >>
> >> If your goal is low energy, then you need to forget about conventional
> >> PCs and get some kind of home NAS such as a Buffalo Linkstation. Not
> >> sure
> >> about wake on lan support in these but if your reason to use wake on lan
> >> is to save power, be aware that these small NAS devices use much less
> >> power
> >> than a regular PC anyway.
> >>
> >> Of course, you haven't said what you want the box to do, and it may be
> >> that
> >> a NAS doesn't have the power for your needs, but if it does, it might
> >> be your
> >> answer.
> >
> > Thanks for your suggestion.
> > It's not really clear to me that something like the Buffalo Linkstation
> > would actually use less energy than a machine sleeping until wake-on-LAN?
> > (I see the Linkstation Mini, which seems to be the smallest, consumes
> 10w.)
>
> I really like qnap's SOHO devices:
> http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=67
>
> 6.6watt in standby and 14.4watt in operation, low noise, no fans, and
> really nice operation with more than just nas storage features.
>
> Lisa.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: FRLinux <frlinux at gmail.com>
> To: Lisa Muir <34.24.34 at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:30:29 +0000
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Elara's HP server
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Lisa Muir <34.24.34 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I really like qnap's SOHO devices:
> > http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=67
> >
> > 6.6watt in standby and 14.4watt in operation, low noise, no fans, and
> > really nice operation with more than just nas storage features.
>
> Nice added value is that they are opensource
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNAP_TS-101) and provide GPL code.
>
> Steph
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Conor Mac Aoidh <conormacaoidh at gmail.com>
> To: Irish Linux Users Group <ilug at linux.ie>
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:11:48 +0000
> Subject: [ILUG] Things are breaking on Fedora 10
> Hi Lugers,
>
> I have been having problems with my Fedora 10 installation recently. I
> don't
> know what it is but a hell of a lot of things are breaking. First I
> installed an upgrade that broke Yum, which I have fixed. Then I installed
> another update that seems to have broken a number of things....
>
> First my sound is operating at about one tenth the volume of what it used
> to
> be. Then my desktop widgets (I'm using KDE) stopped working. I get the
> following error in a black box where the widgets used to be:
>
> The object could not be created for the following reason:
> Could not open the ggl_2 package required for the analog clock widget.
>
>
> My initial thought was that a library named 'ggl_2' was missing... But I
> could not find any such library.
>
> Also I recently installed the kooldock which operates similar to a Mac OSX
> dock. It was working but now when I click on one of the doc items I get the
> following error:
>
> The program, name or command
> /home/conor/.kde/share/apps/kooldock/menu/04_internetexplorer6.desktop
> cannot be found. Please correct the command or URL and try again.
>
>
> This is happening for all programs and icons in the dock except the links
> to
> already open windows.
>
> I would appreciate if anyone could figure out what the hell is going on
> because it's really starting to annoy me! I have tried forums but no one
> seems to know the answer!
>
> Thanks
> --
> Conor
>
> "If you make a general statement, a programmer says, 'Yes, but...'
> while a designer says, 'Yes, and...'"
>
> http://macaoidh.name
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: FRLinux <frlinux at gmail.com>
> To: Conor Mac Aoidh <conormacaoidh at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:33:42 +0000
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Things are breaking on Fedora 10
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Conor Mac Aoidh
> <conormacaoidh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > installed an upgrade that broke Yum, which I have fixed. Then I installed
> > another update that seems to have broken a number of things....
>
> Using only official repos?
>
> > I would appreciate if anyone could figure out what the hell is going on
> > because it's really starting to annoy me! I have tried forums but no one
> > seems to know the answer!
>
> Well Fedora is considered cutting edge, if you wish to be onto a more
> stable redhat based system, i would advise to use CentOS (which 5.3
> should be available in the next few days). Note that I am not
> launching a troll, merely stating facts.
>
> Cheers,
> Steph
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Conor Mac Aoidh <conormacaoidh at gmail.com>
> To: FRLinux <frlinux at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:07:41 +0000
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Things are breaking on Fedora 10
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 8:33 PM, FRLinux <frlinux at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Conor Mac Aoidh
> > <conormacaoidh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > installed an upgrade that broke Yum, which I have fixed. Then I
> installed
> > > another update that seems to have broken a number of things....
> >
> > Using only official repos?
>
>
> I don't know but I only install updates when I get a message from the
> Update
> Software program saying that they need to be installed.
>
> > I would appreciate if anyone could figure out what the hell is going on
> > > because it's really starting to annoy me! I have tried forums but no
> one
> > > seems to know the answer!
> >
> > Well Fedora is considered cutting edge, if you wish to be onto a more
> > stable redhat based system, i would advise to use CentOS (which 5.3
> > should be available in the next few days). Note that I am not
> > launching a troll, merely stating facts.
> >
>
> I'm don't really want to change OS now that I have found one I'm happy
> with... Hopefully that won't be an option.
>
> --
> Conor
>
> "If you make a general statement, a programmer says, 'Yes, but...'
> while a designer says, 'Yes, and...'"
>
> http://macaoidh.name
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Niall O Broin <niall at linux.ie>
> To: ILUG Group <ilug at linux.ie>
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:13:09 +0000
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Elara's HP server
> On 21 Mar 2009, at 13:20, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
>  It's not really clear to me that something like the Buffalo Linkstation
>> would actually use less energy than a machine sleeping until wake-on-LAN?
>>
>
> It's not clear to me either- it's completely a functionof how often you
> would
> wake a bigger machine, and for how long.
>
>  Also, I'm not clear how the Linkstation would attach to the internet.
>>
>
> In the same way as any other computer - via some kind of acccess device.
>
>  Does it contain an ADSL modem?
>>
>
> No.
>
>
>
> Niall
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: keith <keith at iol.ie>
> To: ilug at linux.ie
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:14:58 +0000
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Elara's HP server
> >Link to the actual offer please Tim!
> >
> >cheers,
> >Robert
>
> http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=ECE1466838
>
>
> fwiw, im currently using an old Toshiba "brick" laptop (PII, 135mhz ,64mb
> ram) for firewall (ipcop) and an HP desktop (Vector VE, PII 400mhz, 256mb,
> 1x20GB, 2x500GB ata) for file/print (ClarkConnect 4.3) for 5 users.
>
> I dont know what the lappy uses but the Vector PSU is rated at 90 watts.
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)" <frankly3d at fedoraproject.org>
> To: Irish Linux Users Group <ilug at linux.ie>
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:41:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Things are breaking on Fedora 10
> Conor Mac Aoidh wrote:
> > Hi Lugers,
> >
> > I have been having problems with my Fedora 10 installation recently. I
> don't
> > know what it is but a hell of a lot of things are breaking. First I
> > installed an upgrade that broke Yum, which I have fixed. Then I installed
> > another update that seems to have broken a number of things....
>
> Has been discussed on Fedora-User-List
>
> >
> > First my sound is operating at about one tenth the volume of what it used
> to
> > be. Then my desktop widgets (I'm using KDE) stopped working. I get the
> > following error in a black box where the widgets used to be:
> >
> > The object could not be created for the following reason:
> > Could not open the ggl_2 package required for the analog clock widget.
> >
> >
>
> Clock problems alsio discussed there.
>
> > My initial thought was that a library named 'ggl_2' was missing... But I
> > could not find any such library.
> >
> > Also I recently installed the kooldock which operates similar to a Mac
> OSX
> > dock. It was working but now when I click on one of the doc items I get
> the
> > following error:
>
> Kooldock I don't know.
>
> >
> > The program, name or command
> > /home/conor/.kde/share/apps/kooldock/menu/04_internetexplorer6.desktop
> > cannot be found. Please correct the command or URL and try again.
> >
> >
> But this sounds very much like a broken wine? link.
>
> Frank
>
>
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